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Capn_Fish
post Dec 10 2007, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(jpmatrix @ Dec 10 2007, 06:51 AM) *
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Dec 10 2007, 01:43 PM) *
Because I, for one, am too cheap to buy new gadgets on a whim. The Zaurus is also an almost-perfect platform, and there is much work to build off of, making development easier. Plus, those people who have started Zaurus projects (eg, pdaXrom) are likely going to be loathe to not finish them.


yes, and i've paid my zaurus so high that i would not sell it for a non better device smile.gif i really appreciate the form factor of the zaurus, the usb host, the keyboard and the screen (although 800x600 would be better). no device out there give the same high level of satisfaction for a so small device smile.gif

anyway when you talk about pdaxrom do you talk about pdaxii13 too ?

I generally just talk about pdaXrom unless specifically stated otherwise. I haven't used pdaXii13, so I couldn't really comment on it if I wanted to.
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post Dec 10 2007, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(merli @ Dec 10 2007, 12:28 PM) *
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just dont care if it is hardfloat or sofftfloat if it is eabi or armel or armv5te or armv5tel binary


It seems you completely missed the point of EABI, it's the new _standard_ by ARM ltd that allows you to mix hard- and softfloat binaries. There's a reason why angstrom and maemo are using it and debian wants to.


Maybe I missed the point, I am not developer. I'd like (and I think I am not alone) to understad all about this "hardfloat, softfloat, eabi, armel, armv5te, armv5tel etc" (can you explain please?) ... but my question is simple ... Can I run for exaple Garnet VM or any other Nokia binary on Z in any distro? If yes ... then how? if not then ... why? And I am sure if Garnet VM will be released on Windows Mobile (for Access it is only a bit of rewrite to other SDK) it will run on any WM machine. Do you catch my point?


How about this question "What makes you think that the creators of Garnet VM intended it to run on any other embedded Linux platform?". From the looks of the product page it was intended only for Nokia devices, therefore, how can the expectation of using it on other platforms be reasonable? My point is that if a closed source developer chooses to only support one platform then you are stuck with that choice. The Linux community cannot tell the folks at Nokia how to develop their applications.

I think what you getting at is a standard for all Embedded Linux software, but that is difficult with all the variety of devices that Embedded Linux runs on. Such a standard could be created just like the Linux desktop standards, but I am not aware of such a thing at this time. Even if such a thing existed it would require a developer to target their applications to this standard if they wanted it to run on other systems.
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post Dec 10 2007, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(koen @ Dec 10 2007, 04:27 PM) *
It seems you completely missed the point of EABI, it's the new _standard_ by ARM ltd that allows you to mix hard- and softfloat binaries. There's a reason why angstrom and maemo are using it and debian wants to.


I presume though that this still doesn't allow you to use old binaries (e.g. Sharp's proprietary applications) even if you load the old libraries too?
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post Dec 10 2007, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(koen @ Dec 10 2007, 04:27 PM) *
It seems you completely missed the point of EABI, it's the new _standard_ by ARM ltd that allows you to mix hard- and softfloat binaries. There's a reason why angstrom and maemo are using it and debian wants to.

At last Koen has made a useful contribution to the pdaxrom forum wink.gif I've always wondered what EABI was but it had never been important enough for me to actually go and find out. Now I know, thanks.
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post Dec 10 2007, 06:11 PM
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I generally just talk about pdaXrom unless specifically stated otherwise. I haven't used pdaXii13, so I couldn't really comment on it if I wanted to.


..anything you can say about the new direction?
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post Dec 10 2007, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(desertrat @ Dec 11 2007, 02:59 AM) *
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 10 2007, 04:27 PM) *
It seems you completely missed the point of EABI, it's the new _standard_ by ARM ltd that allows you to mix hard- and softfloat binaries. There's a reason why angstrom and maemo are using it and debian wants to.

At last Koen has made a useful contribution to the pdaxrom forum wink.gif I've always wondered what EABI was but it had never been important enough for me to actually go and find out. Now I know, thanks.


you can also rtfw :
http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort tongue.gif
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post Dec 11 2007, 04:44 AM
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QUOTE(adf @ Dec 10 2007, 08:11 PM) *
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I generally just talk about pdaXrom unless specifically stated otherwise. I haven't used pdaXii13, so I couldn't really comment on it if I wanted to.


..anything you can say about the new direction?

Nope. I'm not "in" on this decision. InSearchOf will have to be making the statements, I'll just offer opinions and perhaps advice.
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post Dec 11 2007, 05:47 AM
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Sorry, to keep you guys on a branch waiting for the big news... I just want to make sure everything is 100% before making an announcement. The reason I made this announcement is because I didnt want January 1st to come around and then I say that nothing has been done for the past month... Just keeping the community in the loop.

If this goes the way we want... it will be a VERY good thing...

Thanks for your patience
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post Dec 11 2007, 05:56 AM
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QUOTE(InSearchOf @ Dec 11 2007, 02:47 PM) *
Sorry, to keep you guys on a branch waiting for the big news... I just want to make sure everything is 100% before making an announcement. The reason I made this announcement is because I didnt want January 1st to come around and then I say that nothing has been done for the past month... Just keeping the community in the loop.

If this goes the way we want... it will be a VERY good thing...

Thanks for your patience
Late


be sure we will wait and will not sell our mighty Zaurus before christmas wink.gif
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post Dec 11 2007, 06:49 AM
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QUOTE(InSearchOf @ Dec 11 2007, 02:47 PM) *
If this goes the way we want... it will be a VERY good thing...


The death of pdaXrom, too bad, but long live... well, my bet would be debian tongue.gif
Although it would be better to join forces with the OE guys, I can't imagine that some people would set their pride aside, so I don't think this will happen. That's my second bet.
Hopefully it's a choice that will keep some of us from having to buy new gadgets for a while.
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post Dec 11 2007, 10:57 AM
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No new gadgets...

Late
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post Dec 11 2007, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(cortez @ Dec 11 2007, 08:49 AM) *
The death of pdaXrom, too bad, but long live... well, my bet would be debian tongue.gif

What do you mean "the death of pdaXrom?" It's not dead to the best of my knowledge (Did I miss some major announcement?).
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post Dec 11 2007, 02:46 PM
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I hope that pdaxrom 2.0 will be released a day. I am a big fan of pdaxrom. I have tried debian, angstrom , openzaurus and I go back always to pdaxrom. I am actually on pdaxII13 v 5.5.5 from meanie which is for me the best rom ever
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post Dec 11 2007, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(InSearchOf @ Dec 11 2007, 04:47 AM) *
Sorry, to keep you guys on a branch waiting for the big news... I just want to make sure everything is 100% before making an announcement. The reason I made this announcement is because I didnt want January 1st to come around and then I say that nothing has been done for the past month... Just keeping the community in the loop.

If this goes the way we want... it will be a VERY good thing...

Thanks for your patience
Late

LMAO... that has to be the most tantalizing post I've seen this year. Good luck with whatever it is!
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post Dec 11 2007, 05:08 PM
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Just one newb question.
Will pdaXrom 2.0 ever be able to be installed without U-boot?
There seems to be many, many, posts about the troubles people have with U-boot.
I am still using pdaxii13, (thanks Meanie) smile.gif
I am hoping a future 2.6 kernel version of pdaXrom could be used without having to install U-boot.
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