 What Is Wrong With Qtopia, Why Opie?, want qtopia on 770, no zaurus incident |
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 Mar 3 2006, 04:30 PM
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Why is this? Why does Opie exist? why do projects use opie instead of qtopia?
Is this a licensing issue? do people just want to play with the system or what? I am starting to bleive that none of the routes taken by the diffrent roms are correct. I belive that we would be much better of if we just installed debian on all the diffrent handhelds and made qtopia, opie, qpe and maemo debian projects. The new nokia seems to me to be the furure of linux handhelds, at least the strongest candidate aas of now. So make everything compatible with that one, and try to get the guis into debian. So, what is wrong with qtopia? I'd like to have the choice of running qtopia on a nokia 770, but I do not want to end up with the Zaurus incident all over again. What would be the problem with this? Space restrictions? |
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Mar 3 2006, 06:52 PM
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 Group: Members Posts: 2,821 Joined: 13-September 04 From: Wasilla Ak. Member No.: 4,572 |
is opie not in debian? gpe is. the problem would be gettin the developers to abandon their projects and become debian maintainers for a bunch o different bits o hardware. looked at the other way.... I think pdaxrom supports .debs maybe some kind of version (pdax > debian) matching info would be handy. Of course, it might already exists. pgas would have way better info on this, I expect.
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Mar 4 2006, 02:52 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 20-September 04 From: Kristiansand, Norway Member No.: 4,680 |
yes, it seems so. And it would be hard to get qtopia into the deian feed due to licensing I think (isn't mysql not prfered by debian due to dual licensing?) But anyhow, extending the debian arm port would be a great solution.
To avoid another rom for the zaurii, it probably would be a great idea to work on getting pdaxrom to be completely debian compatible so that most or all packages came directly from the debian feed (except the kernel and root filesystem set up on diffrent storage media for each device) and were possible to update and install through a debian mirror. |
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Mar 4 2006, 05:30 AM
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 Group: Members Posts: 1,497 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Germany Member No.: 907 |
QUOTE Why is this? Why does Opie exist? why do projects use opie instead of qtopia? http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi...pie?action=show |
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Mar 4 2006, 07:50 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 20-September 04 From: Kristiansand, Norway Member No.: 4,680 |
Thank you!
Do advancements in qtopia get included into opie (like safari and konqueror?) Like the qtopia 2 series improvements, or why not? Why are applications not compatible? Do the opie team put any effort into comaptibility at this point? I read at hentges site that opie development or something made opie a bad candidate for basing a rom project on. Is this true? why is this? Sorry to bother you all with these questions, but I find this very interesting:) |
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Mar 4 2006, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE Why are applications not compatible? Do the opie team put any effort into comaptibility at this point? There're two versions of GCC compiler (2.95 and 3.x). Many applications which don't work on Opie use gcc 2.95. Opie use gcc 3.x. If you want run some of this applications you can use sharp-compact-lib QUOTE I read at hentges site that opie development or something made opie a bad candidate for basing a rom project on. Is this true? why is this? I don't know the answer. Can you post the link of the 'new' at hentege? |
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Mar 4 2006, 08:38 AM
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QUOTE(antikristian @ Mar 4 2006, 03:50 PM) Thank you! Do advancements in qtopia get included into opie (like safari and konqueror?) Like the qtopia 2 series improvements, or why not? Why are applications not compatible? Do the opie team put any effort into comaptibility at this point? I read at hentges site that opie development or something made opie a bad candidate for basing a rom project on. Is this true? why is this?  Both safare and konqueror aren't part of qtopia and have never been. Also note that the term ROM only applies to the sharp stuff, almost every other project uses writable images. |
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Mar 4 2006, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE(antikristian @ Mar 5 2006, 01:50 AM) Thank you! Do advancements in qtopia get included into opie (like safari and konqueror?) Like the qtopia 2 series improvements, or why not? Why are applications not compatible? Do the opie team put any effort into comaptibility at this point? I read at hentges site that opie development or something made opie a bad candidate for basing a rom project on. Is this true? why is this? Sorry to bother you all with these questions, but I find this very interesting:) Some things from Qtopia do get put into Opie. Compatibility is probably more something like semi compatible. There are a few changes in Opie's that make it difficult, but not impossible to compile and run qtopia apps against it. Then there is the difference between sharp rom qtopia apps made with gcc2 and oz apps made with gcc3 softfloat. |
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Mar 4 2006, 12:48 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 27-November 03 From: Brisbane, Australia Member No.: 1,001 |
QUOTE(Mickeyl @ Mar 4 2006, 11:30 PM) QUOTE Why is this? Why does Opie exist? why do projects use opie instead of qtopia? http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi...pie?action=show Those condescending opinions at the bottom are not shared by all opie developers. |
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Mar 4 2006, 12:49 PM
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I guess the person who started this topic wants to know-
"If you can run pdaxrom in zaurus. why not debian? opie makes no sense to me at all." And you want to know somthing? I'm with this guy. kubuntu and ubuntu is basically debian. Debian is free. Why not in zaurus? It would be very compatible between 2 devices like pc and zaurus running debian. Makes very sense. Opie? How many people are working on this anyhow? One person on pdaxrom...and debian....tons of people |
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Mar 4 2006, 01:15 PM
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You know there is an embeded ubuntu project. They are creating an arm port of ubuntu compiled on qemu. I run ubuntu on my all my pcs (I even dual boot it on my mac) i think it would be great to have it on my C1000. On my old x86 laptop i run openbox and rox, same as my zaurus. I wish i ran the same adressbook apps so I could just cp the data files back and forth. Yhere is also a ubuntu light version coming out. The two projects together might make an awsome pda rom. Of course i speak as a user. i have no idea how ubuntu on the Z would be to develop for.
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Mar 4 2006, 01:19 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 27-November 03 From: Brisbane, Australia Member No.: 1,001 |
QUOTE(koen @ Mar 5 2006, 02:38 AM) Both safare and konqueror aren't part of qtopia and have never been. Also note that the term ROM only applies to the sharp stuff, almost every other project uses writable images. If you want to get technical, ROM only refers to the class of chip, regardless of the filesystem on it. Development of jffs2 made writing to a ROM chip more easy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read-only_memory So, unless you are speaking in the strictest of terms, all handelds have 'rom' chips. |
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Mar 4 2006, 01:20 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 20-September 04 From: Kristiansand, Norway Member No.: 4,680 |
QUOTE(koen @ Mar 4 2006, 04:38 PM) QUOTE(antikristian @ Mar 4 2006, 03:50 PM) Thank you! Do advancements in qtopia get included into opie (like safari and konqueror?) Like the qtopia 2 series improvements, or why not? Why are applications not compatible? Do the opie team put any effort into comaptibility at this point? I read at hentges site that opie development or something made opie a bad candidate for basing a rom project on. Is this true? why is this? Both safare and konqueror aren't part of qtopia and have never been. Also note that the term ROM only applies to the sharp stuff, almost every other project uses writable images. Sorry about that, safari uses the khtml engine from konqueror, so the konqueror team impliments the changes back when the source is released. So I was wondering if opie did impliment the changes from qtopia into opie to avoid reinventing the wheel and keep opie compatible and equaly advanced. Lpotter answered that one  Also Cresho pretty much wraps my opinions up nicely. I do like the qtopia/opie GUI but opie has allways let me down, and I have never been able to make a usable setup on my zaurus with it. I feel that there is a whole lot of work beeing done twice in the linux-handheld world, and much of it can only be used on one specific brand of device. now with the new nokia, the archos, zaurii, ipaqs, yopy and tons of cellphones, there needs to be done something so that what you create for one device isn't totally useless on all the others... |
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Mar 4 2006, 01:25 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 27-November 03 From: Brisbane, Australia Member No.: 1,001 |
QUOTE(antikristian @ Mar 4 2006, 10:30 AM) So, what is wrong with qtopia? I'd like to have the choice of running qtopia on a nokia 770, but I do not want to end up with the Zaurus incident all over again. What would be the problem with this? Space restrictions? some people have been working on qtopia for nokia 770.
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Mar 4 2006, 01:29 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 451 Joined: 27-November 03 From: Brisbane, Australia Member No.: 1,001 |
QUOTE(Cresho @ Mar 5 2006, 06:49 AM) I guess the person who started this topic wants to know- "If you can run pdaxrom in zaurus. why not debian? opie makes no sense to me at all." because debian is created for a desktop machine, with lots of memory, hard drive space and screen realestate. cant run much debian on 32 mb |
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