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ShiroiKuma
post May 12 2006, 05:57 PM
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This is not a smarmy comment, I'm just really interested in the reasons:

Why doesn't OZ have cutting edge software available? Now with the 2.6 kernel, it'd be no prob.

I mean gcc is > 4.0, firefox > 1.5 etc. yet OZ stuff is older.

Is there a specific reason for this?
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Antikx
post May 12 2006, 06:58 PM
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I think OZ needs some mad compilers like Anunakin. smile.gif
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post May 12 2006, 11:18 PM
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No, it needs an easy to use (even if you are not core developer) building system!

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ShiroiKuma
post May 12 2006, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(DaemonsGR @ May 13 2006, 08:18 AM)
No, it needs an easy to use (even if you are not core developer) building system!

Tasos
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I have just started building a whole GNU/Linux system from scratch on OZ, following the guide at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org

So far progressing, let's see how far I'll get. If this'll work, then I'll have all the latest compiled packages based on GCC 4.0 etc that will enable native cutting edge compilation...

Let's see...
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lardman
post May 13 2006, 02:35 AM
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Look on the oe mailing list.

The GCC 4.0 compiler has some quirks iirc, work is underway to use it.

Note that the releases are quite some way behind the cutting edge work going on in .dev


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post May 13 2006, 03:18 AM
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QUOTE(ShiroiKuma @ May 12 2006, 05:57 PM)
This is not a smarmy comment, I'm just really interested in the reasons:

Why doesn't OZ have cutting edge software available? Now with the 2.6 kernel, it'd be no prob.

I mean gcc is > 4.0, firefox > 1.5 etc. yet OZ stuff is older.

Is there a specific reason for this?
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Heh, that's funny. For three years, OpenZaurus has been tarred and feathered because we always were on the bleeding edge. Now that we actually implemented the most wanted procedure -- a stable branch -- it starts the other way round blink.gif

If you checkout .dev and set DISTRO=openzaurus-unstable, you will get a bleeding edge build.
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ShiroiKuma
post May 13 2006, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE(Mickeyl @ May 13 2006, 12:18 PM)
If you checkout .dev and set DISTRO=openzaurus-unstable, you will get a bleeding edge build.
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OK, I'd like to do this. But I've never played with CVS before etc. so am unsure how to do this really.

Could you advise me, how concretely should I go about doing this?

Thanks.
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post May 13 2006, 05:31 AM
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QUOTE(ShiroiKuma @ May 13 2006, 09:45 AM)
QUOTE(DaemonsGR @ May 13 2006, 08:18 AM)
No, it needs an easy to use (even if you are not core developer) building system!

Tasos
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I have just started building a whole GNU/Linux system from scratch on OZ, following the guide at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org

So far progressing, let's see how far I'll get. If this'll work, then I'll have all the latest compiled packages based on GCC 4.0 etc that will enable native cutting edge compilation...

Let's see...
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OOO I like this! Ill try do it in pdaxrom!
Thnx

http://trac.cross-lfs.org/roadmap
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ShiroiKuma
post May 13 2006, 05:47 AM
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QUOTE(DaemonsGR @ May 13 2006, 02:31 PM)
OOO I like this! Ill try do it in pdaxrom!
Thnx
http://trac.cross-lfs.org/roadmap
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Good, we can split our efforts, I was gonna do it in pdaXrom too. So I'll focus on OZ.

So far I've compiled binutils no prob, now GCC 4.1.0 has been going for a couple of hours, no prob...

Will see how it goes.

Let me know, how you go along in pdaXrom.
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post May 13 2006, 06:02 AM
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QUOTE(ShiroiKuma @ May 13 2006, 01:47 PM)
QUOTE(DaemonsGR @ May 13 2006, 02:31 PM)
OOO I like this! Ill try do it in pdaxrom!
Thnx
http://trac.cross-lfs.org/roadmap
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Good, we can split our efforts, I was gonna do it in pdaXrom too. So I'll focus on OZ.

So far I've compiled binutils no prob, now GCC 4.1.0 has been going for a couple of hours, no prob...

Will see how it goes.

Let me know, how you go along in pdaXrom.
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Why not use OE for that? I've been building images in OE with glibc 2.4, gcc 4.1.0 and the latest binutils for some time now...
It seems to me that doing the same by hand on a zaurus is a gigantic waste of time.
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post May 13 2006, 06:32 AM
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QUOTE(koen @ May 13 2006, 03:02 PM)
Why not use OE for that? I've been building images in OE with glibc 2.4, gcc 4.1.0 and the latest binutils for some time now...
It seems to me that doing the same by hand on a zaurus is a gigantic waste of time.
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You're probably. Maybe I oughta give it a try. It's just that I've never done any cross-compiling, so really have no clue how to set everything up, and the Intro on the OZ wiki didn't really enlighten me. So I'm afraid I'm gonna install it and get stuck somehow since I really haven't found a simple how-to...

Do you know of any such how-to? I mean, I've no clue what is BitBake, how it relates to OE etc.

Could you explain?
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post May 13 2006, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE(ShiroiKuma @ May 13 2006, 02:32 PM)
QUOTE(koen @ May 13 2006, 03:02 PM)
Why not use OE for that? I've been building images in OE with glibc 2.4, gcc 4.1.0 and the latest binutils for some time now...
It seems to me that doing the same by hand on a zaurus is a gigantic waste of time.
*

You're probably. Maybe I oughta give it a try. It's just that I've never done any cross-compiling, so really have no clue how to set everything up, and the Intro on the OZ wiki didn't really enlighten me. So I'm afraid I'm gonna install it and get stuck somehow since I really haven't found a simple how-to...

Do you know of any such how-to? I mean, I've no clue what is BitBake, how it relates to OE etc.

Could you explain?
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There are 2 step by step guides:

* the official OE one: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted
* the ångström one: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/node/7

Those should give you enough info on how to setup OE.
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post May 13 2006, 07:36 AM
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It's just that I've never done any cross-compiling, so really have no clue how to set everything up


I second what Koen says.

You don't need to know anything about cross compiling when you use OE, it will build pretty much everything you need (including the cross toolchain and binutils.)


Si
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ShiroiKuma
post May 13 2006, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE(lardman @ May 13 2006, 04:36 PM)
I second what Koen says.

You don't need to know anything about cross compiling when you use OE, it will build pretty much everything you need (including the cross toolchain and binutils.)
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OK, I'll look into it tonight, and I'll try... smile.gif
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ShiroiKuma
post May 16 2006, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(koen @ May 13 2006, 03:39 PM)
* the official OE one: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted
* the ångström one: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/node/7

Those should give you enough info on how to setup OE.
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I think I need a little help, I got to the Create local configuration part where it says to make sure to have a cross-compiler installed for Zaurus before compilation. Yet the linked page only gives info on how to setup the cross-compiler for 2.4 kernel Zs. No info on how to do this for 2.6 kernel.

How do I go about this?
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