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spartan
post Apr 9 2006, 02:53 PM
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Does anyone have an accurate definition of the EPWING format that is compatible with the C3000's ZDict?

Or, does anyone have a detailed description of what the bedic project's xerox application does and how it does it?
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icruise
post Apr 9 2006, 04:16 PM
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What do you mean by, a "definition?" It's a format used by Japanese CD-ROM dictionaries.
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spartan
post Apr 9 2006, 06:09 PM
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I mean specification; a description of the file format.
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post Apr 10 2006, 06:58 AM
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Epwing works very well with Zten, which is a nice app for the zaurus. I use it with Kojien without problems.
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post Apr 10 2006, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE(spartan @ Apr 9 2006, 09:09 PM)
I mean specification; a description of the file format.
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I'm still not sure if I follow you. Some dictionary programs read text files that are written in a particular format (such as "word // definition") but that's not what EPWING is, just so we're clear. It's basically only used for CD-ROMs that are commercially sold in Japan, although there are a few programs that can convert (with varying degrees of success) between formats like System Soft and EPWING. But in any case, it's not the kind of thing that would allow you to easily make your own dictionary files. What is it that you want to do?
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post Apr 10 2006, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE(spartan @ Apr 9 2006, 02:53 PM)
Or, does anyone have a detailed description of what the bedic project's xerox application does and how it does it?
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By searching, you could have found these links where you could have found a detailed description of the bedic format and nuts and bolts of making bedic dictionaries:

http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16160&st=0
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*che...mat.txt?rev=1.5
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bedic/libbedic/doc/
http://bedic.sourceforge.net/index.html
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post Apr 10 2006, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(kurochka @ Apr 10 2006, 04:59 PM)
QUOTE(spartan @ Apr 9 2006, 02:53 PM)
Or, does anyone have a detailed description of what the bedic project's xerox application does and how it does it?
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By searching, you could have found these links where you could have found a detailed description of the bedic format and nuts and bolts of making bedic dictionaries:

http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16160&st=0
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*che...mat.txt?rev=1.5
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bedic/libbedic/doc/
http://bedic.sourceforge.net/index.html
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Thanks-I tried reading the source for Xerox to figure out what it does with a file in 'simplified bedic' format. Unfortunately, I don't really understand C.

I'm trying to write a program that will transform the new Wikipedia XML files into bedic and EPWING dictionaries (preferably EPWING). Since the Wikipedia-to-simplified-bedic conversion produces a file too large for Xerox to handle, I'm just building a C#/vb.net program to let people build an updated Wikipedia for themselves whenever they please. In order to do that, I need to know how Xerox constructs the index and calculates the remaining fields.
It would be better to use the EPWING format for the Zaurus considering that I can put pictures and hyperlinks into it. I couldn't find anything under the libeb project that actually documents the construction of an EPWING file, so I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can find the specifications of the format.

Thanks again
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post Apr 10 2006, 03:00 PM
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First of all, let me say that I would be very very interested if you could get the Wikipedia converted to EPWING format. But my hunch is that it is a only available to commercial dictionary makers.
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post Apr 10 2006, 10:34 PM
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Freepwing lets you make epwing compatible files.
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rokugo
post Apr 10 2006, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE(spartan @ Apr 10 2006, 06:53 AM)
Does anyone have an accurate definition of the EPWING format that is compatible with the C3000's ZDict?
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You could have gotten your answer by googling for "epwing format". It's in the very first hit (the creator of that website, Hannes Löffler happens to be a member of this forum).
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post Apr 11 2006, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE(rokugo @ Apr 11 2006, 01:51 AM)
QUOTE(spartan @ Apr 10 2006, 06:53 AM)
Does anyone have an accurate definition of the EPWING format that is compatible with the C3000's ZDict?
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You could have gotten your answer by googling for "epwing format". It's in the very first hit (the creator of that website, Hannes Löffler happens to be a member of this forum).
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Maybe things have changed since you performed your search, but it's not in the first hit now, or even on the first page. But here it is in any case:

http://www.hloeffler.info/epwing/

Does this mean that making an EPWING version of the Wikipedia is doable? I would love something like that. Right now I have an older version of the wikipedia for ZBEDic, but I don't like that program very much and all of my other dictionaries are in EPWING format. I also use an EPWING compatible dictionary program on my Mac in my work as a translator, and being able to add Wikipedia to that would be a great resource. Fingers crossed...
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post Apr 11 2006, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE(icruise @ Apr 11 2006, 05:17 PM)
Maybe things have changed since you performed your search, but it's not in the first hit now, or even on the first page. But here it is in any case:

http://www.hloeffler.info/epwing/


What are you talking about? Its right there in the first hit of the first page:

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&...=utf-8&oe=utf-8

How much more simpler can it get?
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icruise
post Apr 11 2006, 03:45 AM
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Well...

First I tried both "epwing format" (with quotes) and "epwing format" (without quotes) on google.co.jp (which is the site I usually search from). Neither way results in his site being first. I then tried Google.com and typed in "epwing format" with the quotes (as you wrote in your message above). This also doesn't result in the site being first. Finally, I found that going to google.com and typing "epwing format" without quotes does make it the first result. The point is that deriding someone for not noticing the first search result is not such a good idea, because the search results vary widely depending on the portal you use and whether you use quotes or not.
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post Apr 11 2006, 10:49 PM
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For you to have implied that my info was wrong just because you couldn''t get the same results isn't such a good idea either. Who else uses google.jp here? And you don't need to do phrase searching (ie using quotation marks) unless the search results get too general.
Anyway I think my reply to the OP was clear and simple enough so I'll not belabour the point.
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post Apr 12 2006, 12:49 AM
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QUOTE(rokugo @ Apr 12 2006, 01:49 AM)
For you to have implied that my info was wrong just because you couldn''t get the same results isn't such a good idea either.
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At the time, I thought it was wrong, because I didn't realize that using a different portal would give different results. But please, let's get back to the topic at hand.

Does an EPWING version of the wikipedia look doable?
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