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> Htc Universal Vs. Zaurus C3100, edited again- The Linux PDA comparison
danboid
post Feb 13 2006, 12:22 PM
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I've heard that Linux boots on the HTC universal now, so does the Zaurus 3100 (almost) have a competitor now? How long until we can expect to see pdaxrom or openzaurus running on this?

Does the imate jasjar (or any HTC Universal based phone/pda) have 2700g graphics? I can't find anything on the net to back this up. Could it be 'modded' in? People believe this could be possible on the CXX00 Zaurii.

If its not got 2700g, what graphics chipset is it? Is it the ATI w100, as used in the CXXX Z's? How does it compare to bvdd?

So the HTC has built in wi-fi, bluetooth, phone, stereo speakers and camera and more. The REAL Zaurus advantage, of course, is we already have many fully-functional Linux versions to choose from. On the hardware side, its not much but in its defence the Z has a couple of CF slots (one for the microdrive) over the HTC but is there anything else the Z has over the Universal i'm forgetting? Does the Universal have USB host?

Anybody here own both or got a link to a comparison between the C3100 and the Universal?

Which is the best for overclocking? I'd presume both will run at 624Mhz+ comfortably- I know my C3000 does.

All this this has made me think- we've got out open OS on the Z but just how open is the Zaurus hardware (esp. the Cxx00 series)? Just how much stuff has had to be reverse-engineered to get 2.6 running on the latest Z's?

Finally, I wonder what transfer rate you can get off the HTC SD card slot (which does support SDIO, under WM5 at least)- could the speed compare to a CF slot on the Z? I realise most of these questions are about the HTC so I should post this on a HTC board if I can find one.

Could the HTC Universal (or even its soon to be released updated model Hermes) soon be a better Linux PDA than the latest Z?
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post Feb 13 2006, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(danboid @ Feb 13 2006, 08:22 PM)
I've heard that Linux boots on the HTC universal now, so does the Zaurus 3100 (almost) have a competitor now? How long until we can expect to see pdaxrom or openzaurus running on this?

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The HTC phone hackers already use OpenEmbedded, but have opted to use Familiar instead of OpenZaurus for the time being till they get Xanadux running.
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post Feb 13 2006, 03:01 PM
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I checked out the xanadux web page but it didn't say much more than 'Linux boots' for the universal. It did show a dmesg output on one page of Linux booting on a universal. looks like USB is working but theres only so much you can get from that.

No working X server yet I presume? Sound? Does it even charge and power on/off/sleep properly?

I think its still early days yet isn't it?
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post Feb 14 2006, 11:39 PM
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Even if only 60% of the HTC uni features are made to work in linux (screen, keyboard, display, sound, memory slot, and either wifi or bluetooth) then it will be more capable than the 1000 because it will have the built-in wireless.

I would consider buying a uni at that stage and hope that linux drivers for the cameras and phone would be coming soon afterwards!

Yes, it will be an awesome beast.
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post Feb 15 2006, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 15 2006, 03:39 PM)
Even if only 60% of the HTC uni features are made to work in linux (screen, keyboard, display, sound, memory slot, and either wifi or bluetooth) then it will be more capable than the 1000 because it will have the built-in wireless.
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But it has no CF slot and no USB host capability. And the screen is slightly smaller.

The keyboard backlight is nice though:
http://pocketgames.jp/modules.php?op=modlo...wcontent&id=202
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post Feb 15 2006, 10:40 AM
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HTC killer? According to this page-

http://www.firstloox.org/VGAppc.htm

The wzero03 (what's that name about?) is also made by HTC!

I don't like the slide-out keyboard design of the wzero- the clamshell zaurii and the uni have the right idea. What about if you wanted to watch a film on it? With the zero3 you'd have to buy/make a stand for it which would be another thing to have to carry = less portable.

I've seen HTC's upcoming models and nothing sounds as good as the uni. Maybe we should petition HTC to put together a super-uni with 2700g (or Stanwood) graphics, VGA out, ARMs A8 processor (is there a better embedded CPU than this?), at least 128MB RAM, USB 2.0 host, internal microdive and a CF slot running Linux with pdaxrom or Qtopia core. That would effectively replace my desktop PC.

Doesn't seem that anybody here knows anything about the state of Linux on the uni sad.gif
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post Feb 28 2006, 03:23 PM
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Heh, if I find out where to get one of those 3g CF cards, the UNI can go to hell!

Zaurus has a better screen (It's SHARP!) USB host, you can put an 8gb HDD in, it already HAS linux on, you can clock i happily to 624, a la the top of the range iPaq's, it has SDIO once drivers are mature (wait. . are they even being developed? or are they mature? 5600 user here!) XD, and it's possible to give them internal bluetooth. . All I wish is that we could give them bluetooth/wifi WITHOUT losing the HDD. anyone seen any small chipsets?

DAMN YOU SHARP! GIVE US Wireless ZAURII! (6000L not included)

hmm. . . The camera is something I wouldn;t mind, either. Videoconferencing is something i miss. . . Maybe someone should port aMSN 0.95?

I'm sad. . I have so many suggestions for apps to port, yet couldn't port "Hello World" To the zaurus!

Ok, so I COULD port hello world. . But that's about it, C-wise.
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post Mar 1 2006, 02:32 PM
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Anyone know if that htc universal is available i the US? Either from a store or as an import?
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post Mar 1 2006, 10:22 PM
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yes sharp is starting to lagg but just remember who stuck to handheld organizers the longest.....i can remember 1985. 21 years?

they will reinvent the zaurus sooner or later. probably waiting to see the direction os the market is taking.

I am sure sharp will continue with zaurus linux based system since china is so big and hates windows. can make a difference for us if you know what i mean.
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post Mar 2 2006, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(Cresho @ Mar 2 2006, 04:22 PM)
yes sharp is starting to lagg but just remember who stuck to handheld organizers the longest.....i can remember 1985.  21 years?

they will reinvent the zaurus sooner or later.  probably waiting to see the direction os the market is taking.

I am sure sharp will continue with zaurus linux based system since china is so big and hates windows.  can make a difference for us if you know what i mean.
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yeah, zaurus are being sold in china now. lots of ads about them on tv.
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post Mar 2 2006, 03:41 AM
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I have a small bluetooth and usb hub that when put together are the same size as a CF card, i plan to make a card that slides into the CF slot but plugs into USB instead, if you are willing to lose the SD slot then you can fit stuff in there

but if i had the chance i would not heseitate in grabing the universal, unless i can find a usb evdo modem thats cheap and not on a plan or an old clamshell with bluetooth that i can leave in my pocket/bag as a modem

ATI w100 is not used in the cxx00 sereis, it uses the cpu's vido hardware (same with the universal

SD speed should be the same, and a clever hacker CAN give nearly all pxa270 bassed PDA USB host.

2.6 runs on the cxx00 seris expect it after the next release of open zaurus, also there are some developments with kexec on the ARM platform that might allow dual booting and a PC style /boot folder so you can have multiple distros and kerenels
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post Jun 19 2006, 02:24 PM
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people might like to note that the universal now seems to have reached the functionality of the C1000 with bluetooth and wifi added.

http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...iversalProgress

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...nstalling_Linux

it's now becoming a serious contender for zaurus-killer. Sharp, are you there? Do you WANT to lose the race?
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post Jun 19 2006, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jun 20 2006, 06:24 AM)
people might like to note that the universal now seems to have reached the functionality of the C1000 with bluetooth and wifi added.

http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...iversalProgress

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...nstalling_Linux

it's now becoming a serious contender for zaurus-killer. Sharp, are you there? Do you WANT to lose the race?
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Somehow I doubt SHARP is reading this forum ... tongue.gif unsure.gif
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post Jun 23 2006, 12:49 PM
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You never know.

Well, if they do, they should note the PP aswell as the UNI.

Along with the OQO and the others of Microsofts latest "Bad idea" for mobile computing, Sharp could be in for some hard work unless they buck their ideas up a little. The zaurus has the potential to sell well, globally, if only they make the right decisions.
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post Jun 24 2006, 01:01 AM
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Well, perhaps there is hope. The wzero03 is made by HTC, isn't it? The design is a bit "Sharp" but... it's HTC. Why couldn't they use HTC again and build a Linux universal device? Nothing prevent them from that. SL-X5000 turbo fuel injection ;-)

So my dream machine : HTC Universal hardware + Inbuild 4 Go CF + Linux. I don't need more really. In fact, as I already own a QTEK 9000 since 2005, I won't upgrade, but there is so much people in US dreaming about the HTC Universal hardware + GNU/Linux as native OS.

... in fact, I would think twice... and would jump to the first store I think.
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