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ken
post Jun 12 2005, 09:09 AM
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I've been thinking, and just came to a realization.

The reason why killefiz became successful and others not as much so, is his sytem was easy to see new things, easy to add new things, and you could quickly do what you want.

It was an open system, so developers could quickly pop in and pop out. That made it a painless process. Other systems were not as successful, because they weren't as easy or simple for them to use.

The same goes for users. They could easily do anything.

There were errors, which he'd go in and check. Other users could submit changes as needed, all of which were subject to his review. Toward the end it was too much for a single person to do, which is why he problem just said, heck it.

That's the price of an open system. At the same time, it was the very reason why he had such a popular system.

We may say we want this or that, but I think the reality is, his worked pretty well as is. It just needed more help.
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post Jun 14 2005, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(ken @ Jun 12 2005, 06:09 PM)
I've been thinking, and just came to a realization.

The reason why killefiz became successful and others not as much so, is his sytem was easy to see new things, easy to add new things, and you could quickly do what you want.

It was an open system, so developers could quickly pop in and pop out.  That made it a painless process.  Other systems were not as successful, because they weren't as easy or simple for them to use.

The same goes for users.  They could easily do anything.

There were errors, which he'd go in and check.  Other users could submit changes as needed, all of which were subject to his review.  Toward the end it was too much for a single person to do, which is why he problem just said, heck it.

That's the price of an open system.  At the same time, it was the very reason why he had such a popular system.

We may say we want this or that, but I think the reality is, his worked pretty well as is.  It just needed more help.
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Exactly!!!!

So before inventing a third system, I would propose to reanimate the original killefiz and find some volunteers (moderators) to approve the change requests.

That could be a much easier job to do than modifying the ELSIX PHP code until it becomes successful (sorry, dz).

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ken
post Jun 14 2005, 08:20 AM
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QUOTE(dhns @ Jun 13 2005, 11:04 PM)
Exactly!!!!

So before inventing a third system, I would propose to reanimate the original killefiz and find some volunteers (moderators) to approve the change requests.

That could be a much easier job to do than modifying the ELSIX PHP code until it becomes successful (sorry, dz).


Small problem there. I'm not sure killefiz gave the code to the elsix people. I think he gave the database, or a dump, but not sure if he gave the actual coding from his website. Last I saw him was some 42 days ago. I personally wouldn't mind trying to help maintain his system, but I have no clue how to contact him, etc.
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post Jun 14 2005, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(dhns @ Jun 14 2005, 04:04 AM)
That could be a much easier job to do than modifying the ELSIX PHP code until it becomes successful (sorry, dz).
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Heh, you don't have to say sorry. You guys don't have to feel bad at all for wanting to ditch the elsi. I made the elsi to help the community, and if you guys feel that going a different route, than that's the route to go for the community.

elsi isn't for personal gain; it's for community gain.
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ken
post Jun 14 2005, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(dz @ Jun 14 2005, 07:48 AM)
Heh, you don't have to say sorry.  You guys don't have to feel bad at all for wanting to ditch the elsi.  I made the elsi to help the community, and if you guys feel that going a different route, than that's the route to go for the community.


Of course that's not to say that there aren't good things about elsix:

1) resizing of images are automatic (I would just prefer a larger image size) + uploading from the local disk.
2) the ability to see a page of programs + images (that's great for browsing instead of having to go through each and every program to see how it's like - that probably would be a good option if you don't know what you want and are judging by the image + words) can be nice. Perhaps as one of the "views" that one can use, just perhaps not the only view.
3) it does allow for more data such as roms, etc (I just think the information should be "optional" rather than required)

As for having a 3rd rewrite? Not needed, I think.

Since most of the issues dealing with elsix deal with interface stuff, I don't see why it couldn't be redone to include the best of both worlds?

I'm not sure how it'll affect the images -- killefiz did it where the image name matched the database entry (ie: 0045_0, 0045_1, 0045_2).
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post Jun 14 2005, 11:28 PM
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Can someone add another category in elsix? I'd like to add one called: "feeds"
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post Jun 15 2005, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE(ken @ Jun 14 2005, 10:15 AM)
Since most of the issues dealing with elsix deal with interface stuff, I don't see why it couldn't be redone to include the best of both worlds?


ELSI is good but it just doesn't look "cool" enough.

If it was cooler, more people would use it. Maybe a different theme is all it takes ?
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post Jun 15 2005, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(koan @ Jun 15 2005, 05:23 PM)
QUOTE(ken @ Jun 14 2005, 10:15 AM)
Since most of the issues dealing with elsix deal with interface stuff, I don't see why it couldn't be redone to include the best of both worlds?


ELSI is good but it just doesn't look "cool" enough.

If it was cooler, more people would use it. Maybe a different theme is all it takes ?
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It is IMHO not only a matter of theming but of information density and number of clicks (incuding click-dragging the scrollbar). The fonts are in my opinion too large and too detailled information is shown on the home page - instead of giving an overview. That was much better on killefiz: open a bookmark and see what was recently added. Then look at the interesting entries for more details.

(BTW that is the most missing feature of the current OESF: show the 20 most recent postings on the home page - but I have found a workaround: bookmark the 'View New Posts').

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lardman
post Jun 15 2005, 01:59 PM
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I use OZ exclusively therefore I don't really have any use for Elsi (as everything I use is in a feed, or I will add it to a feed), however the ability to search feeds (for packages and possibly files too) would be useful, and it would also afford people the possibility of seeing what's available with different flash images.

I hate to say it, but things have moved on, and due to various factors the majority of packages are now fixed to using a certain ROM (be it Sharp-based , pdaXrom, or one of the OZ images) - the ability to search these different packages would be useful.


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ken
post Jun 15 2005, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(lardman @ Jun 15 2005, 11:59 AM)
I hate to say it, but things have moved on, and due to various factors the majority of packages are now fixed to using a certain ROM (be it Sharp-based , pdaXrom, or one of the OZ images) - the ability to search these different packages would be useful.


That's one aspect I'm thinking would work, hence my asking if they'll approve of a "feed" category.
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post Aug 15 2005, 12:03 AM
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I think a feeds category would be excellent as well. I use the default sharp rom and have a hard time finding the best feed or even website to get the newest/best software for my rom.

Also, just by eyeing both killefiz and elsi, it seemed to me that both had almost exactly the same software. So I just used killefiz because of it's easy to use and minimalistic interface. And because it is minimalistic, it makes for an easier read/display when viewing the page on a Zaurus or other handheld.

My $0.02
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chyang
post Sep 10 2005, 01:25 AM
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Why IPs in china cannot connect to elsix.org?
Any clues?
Thanks.
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post Sep 10 2005, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(chyang @ Sep 10 2005, 01:25 AM)
Why IPs in china cannot connect to elsix.org?
Any clues?
Thanks.
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That's a good question... I'll ask ibiblio and see what they say.

Sorry for any troubles.
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