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zbones
post Jan 7 2004, 04:47 PM
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HI,

I am after a bluetooth card and spotted this on EBAY.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...6&category=3730

Does anybody know what card this is, and will it work on a C760?

or this one?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...5&category=3730

Everybody raves about the socket card and I would buy one, but the last post I saw concerning them said that the new revision (G) does not work, and you have to get a revision F card.

Does this still apply? I think it may be hard to find a revision (F) card now.

Peter.
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post Jan 7 2004, 05:40 PM
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It looks as if it'll use the BlueZ drivers with the prism chipset. http://bluez.sourceforge.net/download/zaurus/
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post Jan 7 2004, 10:47 PM
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I've seen a few of the latter card on the US eBay site as well, and since my experiment with the AmbiCom BT2000-CF card has had a sad ending thus far, I might try it out.

However, I'd hate to order it and find out that it doesn't work as expected/hoped...

Are there any cards <in stores/on sale now> that defn work with the 5500?
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post Jan 7 2004, 11:47 PM
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I've got the second one [http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2777676825&category=3730 ] and though it's id is present in the bluetooth.conf (commented out as poorly recognized card) I've not been able
to configure it.
(the drivers loads fine but hcid shows no mac address and I'm unable to attach it to a serial)
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post Jan 8 2004, 01:24 AM
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It looks as if it'll use the BlueZ drivers with the prism chipset.http://bluez.sourceforge.net/download/zaurus/

Erm, the prism chipset is a WiFi chipset. Nothing to do with Bluetooth.

Also the packages and instructions at the BlueZ Sourceforge site are out of date and incomplete. They're also only for the SL-5500 2.x ROM which has an older kernel.

The latest BlueZ stuff is at:
http://community.zaurus.com/projects/bluez

...with my latest howto at:
http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php...ename=Bluetooth

I wouldn't go for either of these cards. Unless you know what chipset they use, you cannot guarentee compatibility and there are a lot more Bluetooth chipsets than WiFi.

A lot of cards coming out now (like Socket, Bluetake, etc) use the CSR UART based chipset, which is a pain to get working with the BlueZ drivers since they have to get binded as a serial card first (although they do work).
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hmm, the second card as no id or vendor except Generic,
though a I got a manfid of 0x0279, 0x950b which seems to indicate a CSR UART chipset.

I binded it to btuart_cs driver but I am unable attach it to a serial with hciattach thereafter.

Also Billionton Bluetooth Card is reported as not working though with a CSR chipset here:

* http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/devices.html.

My conclusion is at all CSR based card are not equal.
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post Jan 8 2004, 02:40 AM
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The list at Marcel Holtmann's site is a little out of date or rather it reflects the fact that you have to jump through several hoops to get some of these cards working every time you use them.

The way most of these awkward CSR UART based cards can be made to work is described half way through this DevNet thread: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?...?showtopic=5175

If you search the DevNet boards for Billionton I think you may find someone got it working in this way.
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post Jan 8 2004, 04:26 AM
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Thanks, I now see that there is much more to be tried : affix drivers other bluetooth drivers .....

I will try to report my success/ failure if I find the time to try all this (and if i didn't sell this card to a win ce user to buy a card with better support...)
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post Jan 8 2004, 03:55 PM
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OK, as nobody has said "yes I have one of these and it works out of the box" I will forget about going for a cheap solution.

I really like the socket cards, but as I can only get a "g" card I don't want to be typeing stuff into the console every time I need to use it.

The "blue monkey" I can get for about £50, but if it locks up on suspend, then it is not what I am looking for.

Another solution is this http://www.shirtpocket.co.uk/cat/product_i.../products_id/87 but after reading the 6 page thread on sharp/dev I am unsure if it will do what I want. Althought most problems dicussed there are from people trying to get syncing working. This works for me with my wireless card, it's just phone connection I want.
Zuber (shirtpocket) sells this in the UK, so anybody using it? what phone are you using?

Can I rephrase my question?

I am looking for a bluetooth/phone partner pair (in the uk) that will allow me to connect to a Modem. I don't want to pay the wopping £1 per meg data rates from the phone companies but want to connect to a standard isp type modem (freeserve etc) or if needs be I can set up my own modem on my home line to act as my own isp.

I don't have a bluetooth phone and I am open to suggestions, I don't need/want a camera phone but I like the look of the ericson t610.

It would be fantastic if I can use the zaurus to create a text message to send to the phone (in my pocket), there are programs to do this but may only work with nokia phones and certain bluetooth cards.

Anybody in the UK with the above working then what are you using to achive this (hardware wise), and if you can also point me to a vendor selling the kit the I would be eternally grateful.

I want to get this working on my c760, the 5500 does not have the rsolution to make it worthwile.

Hopefully someone can help.

Peter.
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post Jan 8 2004, 09:06 PM
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I have a t616 with a bluemonkey on a 5500 with affix and it's tight once you feel it out. I havn't seen the suspend problem, but I don't suspend my Z. Only issue is that t616 seem to usually keep the bluetooth connection open extra long after you break the conection with the Z, where you then need to power the t616 on and off to clear the connection. Here are some details on my config:

http://www.tekprosystems.com/zaurus/616tgprs.htm
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post Jan 8 2004, 11:22 PM
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Well, I'm in the states and I have a t610 and an unlimited data plan with tmobile ($20/month), and I'm very happy with the performance of my laptop with the service via IRDA or BT. Fast enough and accessible almost everywhere! I can keep a IRDA internet connection with moderate browsing (and constant data updates) and my phone battery lasts about 2.5-3.5 hours.

I bought a AmbiCom BT2000-CF, which is the most readily available card in the states considering it is carried in all the Circuit Cities and Best Buys around me for ~ $69. I've been trying to get it to work for sometime, but haven't had success yet:
http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?n...viewtopic&t=981

FYI - As some may know, there are two BT2000-CF cards out. They don't say which card they are (!!!), but the cards in stores now are the BT-2000-CF © cards. I think that it is a fair assumption to say that most people that have gotten the BT2000-CF card working are using the BT2000-CF (E) version, which were sold up to this past summer it seems.

I just talked to AmbiCom tech support, who are pretty helpful, and they're very interested in finding out more about why their card isnt' working with the Z. They have a 5600 on hand, and I told them to start banging around with it and then to post their successful results on these boards!! At any rate, they affirmed that the chipset in the BT2000-CF changed between the E and C versions, and they are going to allow me to return my BT2000-CF © for the older version, some of which they still have at their warehouse.

From all accounts (on Zaurus DevNet), the old card is fairly plug n play. What I hope is that after I receieve the old card and it works easily (PLEASE?!), AmbiCom either a) gets the new card working with their 5600 (doubtful to me), or cool.gif allow the sale of their old cards by direct order at a good price. At any rate, I'll update with any news. They're pretty accessible in case anyone wants to call - AmbiCom.com -> Support -> Contact Us

Tumnus - Thanks for the great help with BT! I'd really like to get the current version of the BT2000-CF working, so please check out my BT post referenced above when you have a chance and let me know if there is anything that you'd recommend me trying.
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post Jan 9 2004, 12:28 PM
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Soycap,

Thanks for the reply, I checked your page out and it looks like you are using a gprs service.

Do you know if this setup will allow you to dial up to a modem by supplying a phone number?

This is something I will need to do.


n8a, thanks for your reply, I hope you get it working fully.

When you do please post back and let us know.

Peter.
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post Jan 9 2004, 01:58 PM
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I am looking for a bluetooth/phone partner pair (in the uk) that will allow me to connect to a Modem.  I don't want to pay the wopping £1 per meg data rates from the phone companies but want to connect to a standard isp type modem (freeserve etc) or if needs be I can set up my own modem on my home line to act as my own isp.

I will look at the Bluemonkey card again this weekend. My wife wants to start using it to browse the web on her lunch break and I don't want 'support calls' wink.gif

As for dialup ISPs, you might want to ask your operator. Many dialup ISPs now use the FRIACO system which reroutes the connection onto BT's IP network at the exchange to make it cheaper for them. Of course this requires you to dialup from a BT landline, but it might not be obvious from the area code if it uses this.

Orange used to have their own ISP and had an Orange mobile number you could dial to get access (and use your free minutes smile.gif ). I used to use that but they shut that down, although your operator may still have a recommendation of who to use.
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post Jan 9 2004, 02:10 PM
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zbones,

If you do want to take a closer look at the Aircable have a read on our FAQ.

http://www.shirtpocket.co.uk/spforum/index...php?showtopic=6

I use it with a T68i and can connect for dial up no problem with O2 and Orange.
Also tested with O2 GPRS but too expensive for me.

Problem I do have is the pairing get confused sometimes. I think it is the T68i as it has a rather old firmware. It sometimes deletes the pairing when I try to connect & sometimes fails if it is paired.

I used to have some trouble with the pairing getting deleted with my Palm TT as well, hence I suspect the phone. Also, I can't see how the Zaurus would have permision to delete pairing on the phone side. Particularly when it is trying to connect.

Easy solution was not to pair it. Just set discoverable and then accept. Works everytime like clockwork.

Will be getting firmware update soon and see what difference that makes.
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post Jan 9 2004, 03:36 PM
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Thanks for the replies, at the moment it looks like either the blue monkey or the aircable.

They both cost about the same and have pro's and cons.
The cf card would be more versatile, could be used in almost any cf machine, but would use my cf slot up.
I tend to prefer the aircable at the moment, but this would only be usefull on a zaurus, and may not connect to bluetooth laptops etc.

I will pay a visit to my local phone shop tomorrow or Monday. The last shop I went to only succeeded in me giving the reps a demo of my zaurus, and them trying to sell me some mega expensive data package as they thought I must be loaded to have such a smart device.

It seems the phone people don't want you to connect to a modem, they just want to sell you data packages, most that I have spoken to said it's impossible, I know this is untrue.

I think at the moment I will probably get the connection (aircable or bluetooth cf) and then go back to the shop and only get a phone that will connect, If it can also connect via IR that is a backup, and a bonus.

I will leave it another week while I look for other alternatives before making a choice, in the meantime any more recomendations would prove usefull.

Peter.
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