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InSearchOf
post Dec 8 2007, 05:22 PM
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All,

PdaXrom 2.0 developement will be on hold until further notice. pdaXrom is working on taking an alternate path of development for the future. We will keep everyone up-to-date with any progress that is made once everything becomes official.

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post Dec 8 2007, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE(InSearchOf @ Dec 8 2007, 05:22 PM) *
All,

PdaXrom 2.0 developement will be on hold until further notice. pdaXrom is working on taking an alternate path of development for the future. We will keep everyone up-to-date with any progress that is made once everything becomes official.

Thanks



Whoa ohmy.gif He didn't say "Late"... tongue.gif laugh.gif
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post Dec 9 2007, 07:04 AM
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hahaha... I didnt take notice to that.... I guess I must mean business!

Late

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post Dec 9 2007, 08:43 AM
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I know it might be heresy for you guys, but I'm just an old missionary, you know... So forgive me, but

Please consider using OpenEmbedded and joining a huge, vibrant team.

The experience you guys have with X11-focused environments on PDAs is great, it would make a huge difference to the Angstrom initiative.

Now go and flame me for suggesting that wink.gif
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post Dec 9 2007, 10:04 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm not a spokesperson for pdaXrom, nor am I a leader in the project. These are my opinions/views/impressions, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions/views/impressions of anybody else.

I don't know if a "hage...team" is what pdaXrom wants. I think part of the appeal is that there's a small group of devs that personally can help people and work together (or independently) more closely (I realize how little sense that makes).

I wouldn't be against using OpenEmbedded as the build system (I'm not a Linux n00b, and I find the pdaX build system a pain), but I would NOT like to have it merged with other projects. Angstrom/OZ has always felt less flexible and less like a real Linux system to me than pdaXrom does, and I fear that would be lost if the projects merged.

Just my 0.02 USD.
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post Dec 9 2007, 10:52 AM
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Well, the pdaXrom could be a dedicated team/distro in OE and would benefit from lots of commits that have the same goal -- improving the Linux experience on embedded devices. I don't think anything would have to be lost... except the build system, of course wink.gif
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post Dec 9 2007, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(Mickeyl @ Dec 9 2007, 09:52 AM) *
Well, the pdaXrom could be a dedicated team/distro in OE and would benefit from lots of commits that have the same goal -- improving the Linux experience on embedded devices. I don't think anything would have to be lost... except the build system, of course wink.gif

Actually, this might not be a bad idea--IF it were feasable to retain the focus on useability. OE seems to have a strong pull towards dev centered and bleeding edge issues. This is very useful stuff, obviously, but as I keep saying, has tended to result in systems "in flux" and partly broken (much in the same way a mechanic's car is often in pieces). OE really could benefit from the focus pdax has had on useability, and pdaX seems to need direct access to low-level development.

EDIT: Or, the people involved might want to try to help with a fast solid stable debian on Zaurus

..or they may be wanting newer gadgets wink.gif (though I hope not quite yet)

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post Dec 9 2007, 02:30 PM
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why not simply delete most of the documentation on pdaXrom and then it'd be much more like OpenZaurus and Angstrom?
ok, ok, I am only kidding, really I am. ouch!
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post Dec 10 2007, 04:17 AM
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QUOTE(adf @ Dec 9 2007, 09:01 PM) *
EDIT: Or, the people involved might want to try to help with a fast solid stable debian on Zaurus

..or they may be wanting newer gadgets wink.gif (though I hope not quite yet)



that could be a great idea wink.gif i'm speaking about debian wink.gif
but with all new gadgets coming out there (n810, eee, iphone, ...) people begin to ask why continue with the zaurus.................
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post Dec 10 2007, 04:43 AM
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Because I, for one, am too cheap to buy new gadgets on a whim. The Zaurus is also an almost-perfect platform, and there is much work to build off of, making development easier. Plus, those people who have started Zaurus projects (eg, pdaXrom) are likely going to be loathe to not finish them.
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post Dec 10 2007, 04:51 AM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Dec 10 2007, 01:43 PM) *
Because I, for one, am too cheap to buy new gadgets on a whim. The Zaurus is also an almost-perfect platform, and there is much work to build off of, making development easier. Plus, those people who have started Zaurus projects (eg, pdaXrom) are likely going to be loathe to not finish them.


yes, and i've paid my zaurus so high that i would not sell it for a non better device smile.gif i really appreciate the form factor of the zaurus, the usb host, the keyboard and the screen (although 800x600 would be better). no device out there give the same high level of satisfaction for a so small device smile.gif

anyway when you talk about pdaxrom do you talk about pdaxii13 too ?
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post Dec 10 2007, 07:20 AM
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the zaurus still has a lot of life left in it, a lot has been achieved too - maybe the problem is there's too much choice - at least three distros (lots more if you count each flavour of pdaX and sharp)
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post Dec 10 2007, 07:39 AM
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QUOTE(jpmatrix @ Dec 10 2007, 01:51 PM) *
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Dec 10 2007, 01:43 PM) *
Because I, for one, am too cheap to buy new gadgets on a whim. The Zaurus is also an almost-perfect platform, and there is much work to build off of, making development easier. Plus, those people who have started Zaurus projects (eg, pdaXrom) are likely going to be loathe to not finish them.


yes, and i've paid my zaurus so high that i would not sell it for a non better device smile.gif i really appreciate the form factor of the zaurus, the usb host, the keyboard and the screen (although 800x600 would be better). no device out there give the same high level of satisfaction for a so small device smile.gif

anyway when you talk about pdaxrom do you talk about pdaxii13 too ?


OK I also think that Zaurus is almost perfect hw platform ... Do you want bluetooth 2.0? ... just buy new CF card. Do you want newer Wifi standard? Buy new card ... dont need to buy new device. Do you want Eth? You can use usb/net. etc. etc... What I see main problem of all linux devices on the market is _compatibility_. When you have WM mobile machine from _any_ vendor you can run _any_ application you buy/program by yourself and it will run as binary and you just dont care if it is hardfloat or sofftfloat if it is eabi or armel or armv5te or armv5tel binary you dont care if it is packaged in deb of ipk if it is qtopia or gpe or pdaxrom, that application just, listen just works! In linux PDAs we have only with Zaurus plenty of incompatible distros and I do not even speak about Nokia's maemo, Google's Andoid etc etc.... For small example. I'd like to run Garnet VM (Palm OS) emulator released for Nokia N770, N800, N810 on my c1000 in pdaxrom. And I just cannot! Why? I wonder if OS (linux) is really good when it is imposible for me to run one application binary on _same_ procesor on almost _same_ version of kernel on almost same hardware. Maybe it is OK on desktop where linux market is quite OK but it seems to me waste of developers time on small embedded linux market. What do you think? Are you satisfied with diversity of Embedded linux market?
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post Dec 10 2007, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(merli @ Dec 10 2007, 03:39 PM) *
just dont care if it is hardfloat or sofftfloat if it is eabi or armel or armv5te or armv5tel binary


It seems you completely missed the point of EABI, it's the new _standard_ by ARM ltd that allows you to mix hard- and softfloat binaries. There's a reason why angstrom and maemo are using it and debian wants to.
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post Dec 10 2007, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(koen @ Dec 10 2007, 05:27 PM) *
QUOTE(merli @ Dec 10 2007, 03:39 PM) *
just dont care if it is hardfloat or sofftfloat if it is eabi or armel or armv5te or armv5tel binary


It seems you completely missed the point of EABI, it's the new _standard_ by ARM ltd that allows you to mix hard- and softfloat binaries. There's a reason why angstrom and maemo are using it and debian wants to.


Maybe I missed the point, I am not developer. I'd like (and I think I am not alone) to understad all about this "hardfloat, softfloat, eabi, armel, armv5te, armv5tel etc" (can you explain please?) ... but my question is simple ... Can I run for exaple Garnet VM or any other Nokia binary on Z in any distro? If yes ... then how? if not then ... why? And I am sure if Garnet VM will be released on Windows Mobile (for Access it is only a bit of rewrite to other SDK) it will run on any WM machine. Do you catch my point?
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