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post Feb 21 2007, 02:24 AM
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The more I read about it, the less I understand what it is actually good at. An internet tablet with a 4'' with less than 4 Hrs runtime doesn't seems an exceedingly convincing concept to me.

If it had a set of good PIM apps, it would be ok. If it had umts connectivity, it would be ok. If it had a keyboard, it would be ok. Somehow I have the impression that something is missing here.
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post Sep 23 2007, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(tml @ Feb 21 2007, 02:24 AM)
QUOTE(macemoneta @ Feb 21 2007, 07:47 AM)


The more I read about it, the less I understand what it is actually good at. An internet tablet with a 4'' with less than 4 Hrs runtime doesn't seems an exceedingly convincing concept to me.

If it had a set of good PIM apps, it would be ok. If it had umts connectivity, it would be ok. If it had a keyboard, it would be ok. Somehow I have the impression that something is missing here.
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Having just purchased an N800, I can answer some of the questions. The battery life is getting better. I just went 36 hours with the N800 connected to my WLAN. I wasn't playing with it all of those 36 hours (I did sleep), but anytime I wanted to, I picked it up and did things. I also had a ssh session into the N800 from my latop the entire time.

PIM apps are there in the form of GPE PIM apps. I haven't loaded them all, but the Calendar is nice (not perfect, but neither is the Z's).

I understand, and have seen videos of people connecting to the Internet via their bluetooth phones. But haven't done this myself (data plans are horribly expensive in Canada).

I did buy a Think Outside Bluetooth keyboard, which works quite nicely. I take a lot of notes on my Z and now N800, so a keyboard was a given.

The N800 is far from perfect (there is a problem with it corrupting 8GB SDHC cards right now). But it is a nice upgrade from my SL-6000 (double the RAM, double the flash, Skype, as well as SIP phone, Opera 8.5, and Flash 9, and the ability to take 2 SDHC cards).

Craig...
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post Sep 24 2007, 01:06 AM
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I think the N800 has a definite niche. Having had both a 6000 and 3200 I realised that once I was used to a PDA with a proper keyboard I didn't want to go back to a thumboard; however, I am adept with Palm Graffiti (v1) and still use my T3 as a PIM and never think "if it only had a keyboard". I've not tried an N800, but if it had good (even if stylised like Graffiti) handwriting recog, I'd probably be happy.

The Palm Foleo has also been an interesting failure, had the price been right and it'd been smaller, I'd have considered one as the equivalent of a big brother to the Z. So far, noone's been bold enough to make such a thing, perhaps until the new Fujitsu?

Consumers are fickle, and the only company who can seem to sell anything no matter whether it's overpriced or underfeatured is Apple.
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post Sep 24 2007, 08:52 AM
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Having both an n800 and a C-3100 (pdaxii), I find I reach for the nokia for the internet experience and the zaurus for everything else.

My two biggest frustrations on the n800 are (1) lack of built-in keyboard (yes, I have a bluetooth keyboard); and (2) the non-standard (hildon) user interface.

The apps that have been designed for the n800 are pretty cool and innovative, and there is an active developer community -- but it does not seem as easy as a straight compile or access to full debian as in titchy for zaurus. The zaurus has a bigger stable of traditional applications.

The n800 does have a very rich python environment, so many of the new and cool apps are written in that.

The n800 is also a fine media player device, although, subjectively, I find mplayer on the zaurus to be better performing. There are some innovative audio players for the n800, my favorite being a port of exaile for its interface and ogg playing abilities. But I still prefer xmms (not available on the nokia) for many of my purposes.
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post Sep 24 2007, 12:56 PM
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I am wondering whether we zaurians could tap into the software library of the N800 if we could install a few compatibility libraries - I've given up on extracting a working Skype from the Sony Mylo, but there's one on the Nokia, also there's a google talk app with voice which would be nice.
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post Sep 24 2007, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Sep 24 2007, 08:56 PM)
I am wondering whether we zaurians could tap into the software library of the N800 if we could install a few compatibility libraries - I've given up on extracting a working Skype from the Sony Mylo, but there's one on the Nokia, also there's a google talk app with voice which would be nice.
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Both apps work quite nicely on the N800.

I would think that zaurus users would run into the same problem that N800 users run into when wishing to use a qtopia app... the inverse - being gnome, which is what's actually behind hildon. And even then, I think that skype is tightly tied to the hardware on the N800. Not sure about google talk (or Gizmo Project, which also exists for the N800), but I suspect both of those apps are also tightly tied to the hardware.

Next year's application development should prove to be interesting, with the several MIDs that are coming out. From what I've seen, there won't be much in the way of qtopia, rather most will be some variant of gnome.

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post Sep 24 2007, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Sep 24 2007, 12:56 PM)
I am wondering whether we zaurians could tap into the software library of the N800 if we could install a few compatibility libraries - I've given up on extracting a working Skype from the Sony Mylo, but there's one on the Nokia, also there's a google talk app with voice which would be nice.
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Alas, if only it were that simple. The Z uses an ARM5 and the N800 uses an ARM6, and the binaries are not compatible sad.gif

The N800 doesn't have bash (built-in), and I have already tried to "borrow" bash from the Z, won't even run enough to give a core dump.

I was quite happy with my Z, but I was interested in trying out some of the newer apps for the N800, such as Skype, and Flash9. I had hopes I could get my WiSpy working, but without a Host USB adaptor (which the 770 has) it doesn't look like that is going to happen.

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post Sep 24 2007, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(cvmiller @ Sep 25 2007, 02:32 AM)
The N800 doesn't have bash (built-in), and I have already tried to "borrow" bash from the Z, won't even run enough to give a core dump.
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There's a port of bash for the N800 on maemo.org.

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post Sep 25 2007, 03:54 AM
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QUOTE(rickh @ Sep 25 2007, 12:55 AM)
I would think that zaurus users would run into the same problem that N800 users run into when wishing to use a qtopia app... the inverse - being gnome, which is what's actually


that wouldn't be a problem - angstrom has GPE/GTK/X11.
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post Sep 25 2007, 03:55 AM
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QUOTE(cvmiller @ Sep 25 2007, 03:32 AM)
Alas, if only it were that simple. The Z uses an ARM5 and the N800 uses an ARM6, and the binaries are not compatible sad.gif

The N800 doesn't have bash (built-in), and I have already tried to "borrow" bash from the Z, won't even run enough to give a core dump.


ah, very useful to know, thanks!
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post Sep 25 2007, 04:29 AM
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QUOTE(cvmiller @ Sep 24 2007, 06:32 PM)
Alas, if only it were that simple. The Z uses an ARM5 and the N800 uses an ARM6, and the binaries are not compatible sad.gif

A minor correction: N800 uses ARMv6 instruction set (ARM11 core) and Z uses ARMv5 + IWMMXT instruction set (XScale core).

Anyway, most packages on N800 are compiled for ARMv5 and the same binaries can be used on Nokia 770 as part of OS2007 Hacker's Edition. Third party binary blobs such as skype and other proprietary payload may be compiled with hardware specific optimizations enabled though.
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post Sep 25 2007, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(Serge @ Sep 25 2007, 12:29 PM)
QUOTE(cvmiller @ Sep 24 2007, 06:32 PM)
Alas, if only it were that simple. The Z uses an ARM5 and the N800 uses an ARM6, and the binaries are not compatible sad.gif

A minor correction: N800 uses ARMv6 instruction set (ARM11 core) and Z uses ARMv5 + IWMMXT instruction set (XScale core).

Anyway, most packages on N800 are compiled for ARMv5 and the same binaries can be used on Nokia 770 as part of OS2007 Hacker's Edition. Third party binary blobs such as skype and other proprietary payload may be compiled with hardware specific optimizations enabled though.
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They also may use the DSP core present in the TI OMAP processors.
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post Sep 25 2007, 02:41 PM
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thanks everyone for enlightening me. I'm still discovering just how different ARM processors can be - so much so that I'm surprised that some apps do run on different platforms at all, but I guess if they're built for low-end ARMs and rely on system libraries for most things then there's a good chance of cross-platform independence.
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post Sep 26 2007, 03:55 AM
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Just thought I'd throw this out there.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/25/nokias-...t-hits-the-fcc/
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post Oct 2 2007, 07:02 PM
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I can't officially say for sure, but over at tabletblog.com Daniel's dug up something that indicates the next version of the tablet will have a slideout keyboard: http://tabletblog.com/2007/09/third-intern...-confirmed.html

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