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> Google Phone, is software, not hardware
speculatrix
post Nov 5 2007, 12:32 PM
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looks like it'll be a linux software suite, I guess with a standard set of base apps.

coverage here: at the BBC

Engadget:
coverage of announcement
press release/

Android itself:
developers - can't download anything yet

very interesting... so, who will be first to have a proper Google linux smartphone - I reckon Motorola because they've already had a few models out which are linux based (using QT as their graphical toolkit), or will OpenMoko produce a usable release first? Will OpenMoko be googlephone compatible?

the future will be quite interesting!
I've not see
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post Nov 5 2007, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 5 2007, 08:32 PM) *
very interesting... so, who will be first to have a proper Google linux smartphone - I reckon Motorola because they've already had a few models out which are linux based (using QT as their graphical toolkit), or will OpenMoko produce a usable release first? Will OpenMoko be googlephone compatible?

the future will be quite interesting!
I've not see


I think Nokia might be in the running too. Don't forget their Internet Tablets run Linux, and a forth-coming model will be Wi-Max enabled. They also seem to be cross-branding their more advanced phones and their tablets by refering to them both as 'N-Series'.
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post Nov 5 2007, 03:03 PM
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Wow,

now all those guys trying to get linux on the qteks will be without job!!

I think it's an exciting move; all linux-qteks, neo, and trolltech greenphone wannabes have a real alternative; just imagine any existing HTC with open source (aka linux) inside!!

HTC SHIFT+linux=Zaurus?
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post Nov 5 2007, 07:43 PM
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2 questions:

what are the chances any of these will be as thumb typable as the z?

what are the chances there will be a debian-based distro on any of these?
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post Nov 6 2007, 12:21 PM
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For thumb-typable, I'd say very small, but not 0%.
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post Nov 7 2007, 03:31 AM
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QUOTE(iwantprogress @ Nov 6 2007, 03:43 AM) *
what are the chances there will be a debian-based distro on any of these?


what's the obsession with debian... it's just linux, ok?

anyway, it should run pretty much any version of linux just fine, but you might be constrained to use the kernel as shipped because of the drivers, and the GLIB variant too for compatibility.

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post Nov 7 2007, 08:44 PM
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speculatrix:

> what's the obsession with debian... it's just linux, ok?

for a severely disabled person for whom all typing is painful, having the same distro on the zaurus and the desktop can help reduce typing by reducing the need to find how to do things in the new distro, guaranteeing a similar set of available utilities with exactly the same names and behavior, and ensuring compatible protocol versions for x, vnc, and others thereby reducing test cycles setting up a potentially complex ergonomic setup that allows controlling the desktop while lying down. and a standard multiarch distro might potentially have other, similar benefits, such as not having to compile or request anybody to compile a tool if it is already there.

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post Nov 8 2007, 05:17 AM
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QUOTE(iwantprogress @ Nov 8 2007, 04:44 AM) *
speculatrix:
> what's the obsession with debian... it's just linux, ok?

for a severely disabled person for whom all typing is painful, having the same distro on the zaurus and the desktop can help reduce typing by reducing the need to find how to do


no, I wasn't offended, just surprised by how many people want debian on the zaurus... angstrom is loosely based on debian, in fact, they could probably wrapper ipkg with a dpkg command which translated the commands and it'd be hard to notice.

thanks for clarifying why you want debian, it makes sense.
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post Nov 8 2007, 07:11 AM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 8 2007, 01:17 PM) *
QUOTE(iwantprogress @ Nov 8 2007, 04:44 AM) *
speculatrix:
> what's the obsession with debian... it's just linux, ok?

for a severely disabled person for whom all typing is painful, having the same distro on the zaurus and the desktop can help reduce typing by reducing the need to find how to do


no, I wasn't offended, just surprised by how many people want debian on the zaurus... angstrom is loosely based on debian, in fact, they could probably wrapper ipkg with a dpkg command which translated the commands and it'd be hard to notice.

thanks for clarifying why you want debian, it makes sense.


Follow http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom and put ANGSTROM_PKG_FORMAT = "deb" in your local.conf and you will have an angstrom rootfs with apt, dpkg and .deb packages. Easy as that.
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post Nov 8 2007, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 8 2007, 02:17 PM) *
QUOTE(iwantprogress @ Nov 8 2007, 04:44 AM) *
speculatrix:
> what's the obsession with debian... it's just linux, ok?

for a severely disabled person for whom all typing is painful, having the same distro on the zaurus and the desktop can help reduce typing by reducing the need to find how to do


no, I wasn't offended, just surprised by how many people want debian on the zaurus... angstrom is loosely based on debian, in fact, they could probably wrapper ipkg with a dpkg command which translated the commands and it'd be hard to notice.

thanks for clarifying why you want debian, it makes sense.


Would it make more sense to say three big bonuses of running Debian on the Zaurus are apt-get, a complete & standard documetation system and the whole Debian repos?
To me it is no obsession with debian at all, because I am more obsessed with running a full-fledged *nix distro on the Z. tongue.gif
Before using Debian my Z ran OpenBSD. If it has SD write support I may not have switched to Debian. OpenBSD/Z also comes very close, except some hardware functionalities which have yet to be fixed and speed improvement.
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post Nov 8 2007, 01:27 PM
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> angstrom is loosely based on debian, in fact, they could probably wrapper ipkg with a dpkg command which translated the commands and it'd be hard to notice.

my guess is that whether it is hard to notice depends strongly on the noticer.
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post Nov 12 2007, 09:50 AM
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back on topic!
the android SDK is now available:
http://code.google.com/android/

lots of pictures and stuff:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles...-now-available/

oh, and a HUGE bounty for writing stuff: "The Android Developer Challenge will award $10 million to developers who build great apps for Android"
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post Nov 13 2007, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 13 2007, 01:50 AM) *
back on topic!
the android SDK is now available:
http://code.google.com/android/

lots of pictures and stuff:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles...-now-available/

oh, and a HUGE bounty for writing stuff: "The Android Developer Challenge will award $10 million to developers who build great apps for Android"


Aye ... biggrin.gif ... and if you noticed, he also mentioned ... "... I look forward to seeing all of your work" ... somehow that kinda creep me out ... with the word *work* ... with a $10m bounty, google effectively possibly changed thousands of freeware developers into his worker ... cool.gif

Granted, it's just a choice of words, but something about $10m and seeing our work and not our apps spooks me out. Ah well ...

PS: btw, the new forum is great! A lot of cool and neat stuffs! biggrin.gif
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post Nov 13 2007, 09:52 AM
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Hi there,

QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 12 2007, 07:50 PM) *
back on topic!
the android SDK is now available:
http://code.google.com/android/

lots of pictures and stuff:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles...-now-available/

oh, and a HUGE bounty for writing stuff: "The Android Developer Challenge will award $10 million to developers who build great apps for Android"


i just made a diff between android and vanilla kernel, and...
... discovered goldfish tongue.gif .

Attached File  android.diff.gz ( 217.26K ) Number of downloads: 264


Goldfish is the virtual arm platform that may be started in the emulator (QEMU) to see your applications running.

I thought could be of interest. Enjoy!

Regards,

scholbert
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