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> The Nokia N800, The successor to the 770 is here...
xjqian
post Jan 9 2007, 11:22 PM
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Went to my local CompUSA for a pick-up. Spotted the N800 there for $399 and N770 for $349. Since the store is not in a very populated area, I guess it's a national launch in most of the CompUSA. I'm surprised the older N770 didn't get much discount.
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post Jan 10 2007, 02:29 AM
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QUOTE(xjqian @ Jan 10 2007, 08:22 AM)
Went to my local CompUSA for a pick-up. Spotted the N800 there for $399 and N770 for $349. Since the store is not in a very populated area, I guess it's a national launch in most of the CompUSA. I'm surprised the older N770 didn't get much discount.
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I was very disappointed that the N800 came out too late for me to visit a compusa whilst in USA, but maybe just as well otherwise I might have accidentally bought one! The specs are definitely something to drool over.

What Nokia need to do is produce an accessory BT keyboard which can be clipped on, with some sort of stand or hinge for the N800 to turn it into a clamshell. Maybe the PocketPenguin project could morph into a desktop converter/docking station for the N800.
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post Jan 10 2007, 03:50 AM
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N800 main page
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there's no mention of it on the UK web site, so I wonder how long we'll have to wait for it to be available here.

my brother is in the USA at the moment, I am very sorely tempted to ask him to buy me one... but then I'd have to sell one of my other devices!

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post Jan 10 2007, 04:59 AM
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Anyone want to compare that Omap to the Freescale iMX31?

Also has Floating Point/3D/USB2-480/DDR266/AnythingelsebutSDHC. . .
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post Jan 10 2007, 05:46 AM
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dont need to compare really, they are both arm11 processors with diffrent peripherals, the iMX.3 has the clock speed edge however and probelly memorey accsess as well (does the nokia use ddr?) more importantly i think that the crossbar switch would see the iMX.3 performe better under load (more responsive, higher thouruput on multiple high IO)

ive always wondereed, is SDHC software or hardware as well?

anyway thanks koen for the stuff about the ar11, do you have a link to numbers at all. it just confirms my decision to go with a chip with vfp

cant wait to see how this handels 3D tasks, couple this with the dual proc stuff and it could make for a very meaty (not in the pda version) computer
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post Jan 10 2007, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jan 10 2007, 12:50 PM)
there's no mention of it on the UK web site, so I wonder how long we'll have to wait for it to be available here.
It's available already...
Nokia N800 Direct Webpage although I agree there's no mention of it on the UK website.
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post Jan 11 2007, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE(swing @ Jan 10 2007, 11:45 PM)
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jan 10 2007, 12:50 PM)
there's no mention of it on the UK web site, so I wonder how long we'll have to wait for it to be available here.
It's available already...
Nokia N800 Direct Webpage although I agree there's no mention of it on the UK website.
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odd, it asks for my country, if I select USA it tells me the price, so I clicked back and tried different european countries and none, not even scandinavian countries which is Nokia's origin.
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post Jan 11 2007, 03:02 AM
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QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Jan 10 2007, 01:46 PM)
ive always wondereed, is SDHC software or hardware as well?
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According to sandisk it's software.
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post Jan 11 2007, 03:41 AM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jan 11 2007, 11:46 AM)
odd, it asks for my country, if I select USA it tells me the price, so I clicked back and tried different european countries and none, not even scandinavian countries which is Nokia's origin.
Strange - it goes straight to the UK N800 Buy page for me (269), although it's possible I've told Nokia I'm in the UK on previous accesses of their website.
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post Jan 11 2007, 04:20 AM
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QUOTE(swing @ Jan 11 2007, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jan 11 2007, 11:46 AM)
odd, it asks for my country, if I select USA it tells me the price, so I clicked back and tried different european countries and none, not even scandinavian countries which is Nokia's origin.
Strange - it goes straight to the UK N800 Buy page for me (269), although it's possible I've told Nokia I'm in the UK on previous accesses of their website.
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ah, it's a weird cookie + javscript problem.. deleted my cookies.. when I went to the page, it asked me to select country, I chose UK, and it then said nothing found. clicked back, reloaded and the UK page appeared - GBP269, which is quite a mark up compared to US$400.
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post Jan 11 2007, 05:10 AM
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anyway thanks koen for the stuff about the ar11, do you have a link to numbers at all. it just confirms my decision to go with a chip with vfp


If anyone reading this has one, take a look here and post some output please:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/benchmarks/ (use the *.vfp.out binaries for the N800, *.softvfp.out for the N700).

This can be compared with existing data for the Zaurus here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...51&hl=benchmark

I'll have to recompile the Zaurus benchmarks so people can compare on newer hardware (or look in the compiling_things.txt file in the above directory for links to the code and compiling instructions).


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post Jan 11 2007, 10:06 AM
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lardman, what is the point in benchmarking nonoptimized code (you don't have any of -O options specified (-Os, -O2 or -O3) in compiling_things.txt)?

By the way, some tests benchmarking video decoding performance (also for N800) have been done in this thread (lower time is better). But compilation options were not quite the same, Nokia 770 and N800 mplayer binaries were compiled with -O4 option (it is default in upstream mplayer configure/makefile), and zaurus tests were compiled with -Os.
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post Jan 11 2007, 11:36 AM
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Gah. The Nokia online shop doesn't even *list* Canada! AARGH sad.gif
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post Jan 11 2007, 03:52 PM
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lardman, what is the point in benchmarking nonoptimized code (you don't have any of -O options specified (-Os, -O2 or -O3) in compiling_things.txt)?


I simply wanted a comparison between the two Nokias, it shouldn't make any difference whether the code is optimised or not, as theonly difference between the compilations was the soft or hard float option.

I agree that if we were comparing with the Zaurus or some other platform with a different compiler (so it can't run the same code) then it would make a difference.

With that said, I'll produce the optimised benchmarks too.

For the record, these are the results from my Nokia 770 (unoptimised code):

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Nokia770-39:/home/user# ./whetstone.softvfp.out
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 13 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 7.7 MIPS

Nokia770-39:/home/user# ./dhry.softvfp.out
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Microseconds for one run through Dhrystone:    6.4
Dhrystones per Second:                      156250.0



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post Jan 11 2007, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(kahm @ Jan 11 2007, 11:36 AM)
Gah. The Nokia online shop doesn't even *list* Canada! AARGH sad.gif
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Tigerdirect carries the N800 but does not advertise it on the canadian site. I had to call in to confirm.

J.
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