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Da_Blitz
post Jul 29 2006, 08:01 AM
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I would think that there is no reason to wait for hardware to do the combined phone/email/sms/voicemail/... application. It could probably be designed and tested using a Zaurus with Bluetooth and WiFi connected to an outside phone.


exactlly why i started the topic, any work done will help out the other lin phone projects

mmm, the discussion about t-bird and evolution is a bit off topic, i was thinking more about infrastructure here. if we use evolutions D-bus then only eveolution gets the upgrade which is bad

i was hoping to talk about the problems we will encounter and how to work around them (SMS bieng one example, how to send and recive)

QEMU can do arm system emulation, perhaps we should look into hacking that

the CF cards are just serial ports with a gsm modem on the other end

i really like Daemons smile.gif, thats why i belive all phone dialing should be carried out by a deamon hanging off d-bus, this also means that we have less contention issues over more than one program trying to read/write the same device and also allows programs to ploo the state of the line,

so for example ask if we can hang up the data connection and make a quick call, then have the Daemon auto reconnect and notify the program using the data link that connection has been reestablished
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post Jul 29 2006, 08:53 AM
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No option to have the both running simultaneously?

NOTE:

The GPRS/GSM cards are starting to get thin on the ground. They're about £120 each, at current price.

Expansys.com and expansys-USA.com both ddid them at my last check. If you want to get one, you'd better get one quick, Audiovox have stopped thier OEM of the card (Audiovox and the rest all OEM the parts from an unknown 3rd party)
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post Jul 29 2006, 09:13 AM
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Another note that I forgot about. . I do this alot.

I'm going to agree with DB on the Evolution side.

unless the EBS-Dbus becomes the base for a new set of PIM for Opie, and another for Qt aswell, then we'd be better replacing it, or modifying it to give it a more universal interface that the other existing software can access with simple modification.

I will however admit that I do like it, it seems like a good system. It's not perfect for what we want, by ANY means, even for just under the GPE system. . . But it does look like the best CET to apply to the job.
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post Jul 30 2006, 05:01 AM
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well part of the reason i said tha about eds d-bus is because im a vt100 fan smile.gif so doing it properly (email bassed) makes sense, also makes backing up your sms a brezze

if you are talking about too things at once in refrence to the low level programs then have you ever tried to have 2 programs talk to a /dev file at onec, even if one just writes and the other reads. it caused me a debugging nightmare with a 68hc11 and db11, once i worked it out i almost kicked myself for bieng so stupid
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post Jul 30 2006, 09:25 AM
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I was talking more about multiplexing, so that you could run both a GSM phone call, and an Internet connection over GPRS/3G, simultaneously.
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Da_Blitz
post Jul 30 2006, 07:08 PM
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oh right, thier was just too many things to multiplex in my second last post, can you do that with 3G, i hate phones to begin with so i am not familliar with 3g except for the data speeds and the insane prices
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post Jul 31 2006, 01:33 AM
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I'm pretty sure you can. . . My HTC Universal Smartphone-PDA runs Windows Mobile 5, and has 3G support. I'll hook myself up to skype on it, make a GSM call, and see if I get disconnected. (You'll have to wait till I get it, in about 5 weeks.)

On the note of voicemail, we should make sure that the program has support for redirecting to a "Traditional" voicemail, as well as the onboard PPZ voicemail. With PPZ-OVM, the quality should be improved over traditional VoiceMail, but Traditional voicemail could be more reliable, in case of a Flash-Card burnout. . . or FAT error. . Or other data-killing HDD error.
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post Jul 31 2006, 01:39 AM
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QUOTE(Ferret-Simpson @ Jul 31 2006, 09:33 AM)
I'm pretty sure you can. . . My HTC Universal Smartphone-PDA runs Windows Mobile 5, and has 3G support. I'll hook myself up to skype on it, make a GSM call, and see if I get disconnected. (You'll have to wait till I get it, in about 5 weeks.)
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It depends on the network. In some part of the country I can do gprs + gsm, in other parts gprs stays connected but no bits flow and in the rest gprs gets plain disconnected.
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post Jul 31 2006, 02:19 AM
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I guess it'll be a case of implementing it, and from then it'll be down to how lucky you are. wink.gif
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post Jul 31 2006, 03:34 AM
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i belive mgetty would be the best option for that, then i could have voice mail on my phone and recvie faxes

mmm that is intresting about the gprs stuff bieng country specific (and perhaps carrier specific as well) i guess the notification thing might have to come with carrier specific tweak files (i see this as bieng a good thing in general for all programs)
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post Aug 3 2006, 10:31 AM
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Here is an ARM emulation package that mentions the Freescale chips...

Softgun
Softgun on Gentoo Linux

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Ferret-Simpson
post Aug 3 2006, 12:10 PM
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That looks useful. Only ARM9/21 though. And doesn't look like the fastest emulator ever. . . 2.2% efficiency. . .
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post Aug 25 2006, 09:16 AM
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Would this project... Telepathy be of any use?

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The Telepathy project aims to provide a unified framework for all forms of real time conversations, including instant messaging, IRC, voice calls and video calls. It uses the DBus messaging system to provide a simple interface for client applications, allowing them to quickly benefit from Telepathy's functionality.

At the core of Telepathy is the DBus interface specification which describes how Telepathy components communicate with each other. We are up to spec version 0.13. For a more approachable introduction to the structure of the framework, try the System Overview document. The Ubuntu spec for SIP/IM integration includes a good rationale for this distributed approach.
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Ferret-Simpson
post Aug 25 2006, 11:24 AM
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http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/

Where on EARTH did you find that? You are a genius and I love you! Et Hemm. . .

That, is EXACTLY what We need. A united VOIP, Messenger, and Phone system. Only problem is, it doesn't look like the phone part has been built yet. . .

Hmm, I'm not sure whether "Phone" Actually means GSM and UMTS Video. . Or whether it refers to VOIP phone. Still, being open source, that doesn't mean we couldn't ADD them. . .
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post Aug 25 2006, 11:33 AM
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Actually I saw it in a linux magazine I was browsing the other day. Unfortunately I can't remember the magazine and had forgotten about the software until this morning!
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