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brashley46
post Nov 17 2007, 04:19 PM
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Looks very cool, and I will have to replace the old C860 soon. How much are they going to charge for this in $C, I wonder?

Edit ... just answered my own question. One website at least has them on preorder for $C510. The C1000 is still cheaper, and will answer most of my needs ...
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post Nov 19 2007, 04:02 PM
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Is there an X11 port to the N810? It would be much more appealing if that were the case, and my searches haven't turned up anything (but I am horrible at searching).

Sorry if this has been asked/answered before, and thanks.
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post Nov 20 2007, 02:20 AM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 19 2007, 04:02 PM) *
Is there an X11 port to the N810? It would be much more appealing if that were the case, and my searches haven't turned up anything (but I am horrible at searching).
Sorry if this has been asked/answered before, and thanks.

I believe the Nokia tablets (770 and N8x0) actually *run* X11, with a modified version of Gnome (meaning GTK-based apps are basically portable, Qt apps less so -- although there is a full-blown port of KDE itself available for the N800).
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post Nov 20 2007, 10:45 AM
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Dang. I was hoping for an excuse not to get one. sad.gif

Can anybody else confirm or deny this?
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post Nov 20 2007, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 20 2007, 06:45 PM) *
Dang. I was hoping for an excuse not to get one. sad.gif

Can anybody else confirm or deny this?

It's true. Runs X11 with modified Gnome. Porting GTK apps is fairly straightfoward, however you still should "Hildonize" the app which isn't so straightfoward.

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post Nov 20 2007, 11:22 AM
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Is it a similar process to building/packaging for/on the Z? What about FLTK and SDL stuff?

Thanks, and sorry for having so many questions (I keep hoping there will be a major flaw so I don't want one so badly)
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post Nov 20 2007, 11:22 AM
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Don't just believe me, go read the official docs :-)

From the Maemo Quick Start Guide :

http://maemo.org/development/documentation...start-guide.pdf

"3.2 Base distribution
Maemo is based to a large extent on the same open source components found in the
Debian[7] Linux distribution. Maemo builds on GNU/Linux for operating system core
and GNOME/GTK+ for user interface architecture.
Maemo uses the same component packaging system as Debian - dpkg-tool’s binary
packages. New packages can be installed, old ones can be removed and the whole sys-
tem can be upgraded by the package management framework. The ?le system structure
also comes from Debian.
(...)
Also notably the maemo platform adheres closely to the GNOME Mobile
Platform[16]. At the time of writing, maemo uses all the same components as this
platform except for service discovery."
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post Nov 20 2007, 11:31 AM
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This is definately a very bad turn of events for my wallet sad.gif

Thanks!
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post Nov 20 2007, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 20 2007, 07:31 PM) *
This is definately a very bad turn of events for my wallet sad.gif

Thanks!

One negative (well, perhaps not): No Java. Well, in truth, there is a GUI-less Java available, but it's fairly useless.

The Zaurus had some decent Java-based apps |Project Manager was great) that I would have loved to be able to use on the Nokia.

R.
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post Nov 20 2007, 02:30 PM
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Very true. Nokia seem very reticent to provide this port themselves, and are waiting for someone else to do it (Sun or another third-party).

It may only be a matter of time however, as the user base and notoriety of Nokia's tablets expand dramatically with each iteration. In 2005/2006 the 770 was very confidential and mainly a geek toy. This year the N800 was more heavily marketed as part of the N series, more widespread and easily available. Now it seems the N810 is going to be all over the place :-)

Also, the Nokia/Maemo team's relationship with upstream projects (GTK, Gnome, embedded-gnome & mobile-Ubuntu etc.), its developer community and user base, has had its ups and downs but seems to have found its way, and is paying off handsomely in the latest (4.0) version of the Tablet OS...
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post Nov 20 2007, 06:12 PM
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Sorry for all the questions, but I have (at least) one more (Is there a good place to look for answers, like a consolidated FAQ or something?): Can you make the n810 feel like a regular Linux system (dev tools, change the WM, themes, etc)?

Thanks for the quick, helpful responses and the patience.
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post Nov 21 2007, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 20 2007, 06:12 PM) *
Sorry for all the questions, but I have (at least) one more (Is there a good place to look for answers, like a consolidated FAQ or something?): Can you make the n810 feel like a regular Linux system (dev tools, change the WM, themes, etc)?

The definitive and official source of information, again, is http://maemo.org/ . There you will find the blog planet, platform docs, dev toolchains, howtos, etc. There are also two mailing lists run by the Nokia MAemo team (users and devs).

The focus point for the community (like OESF for the Zaurus) is ITT : http://www.internettablettalk.com/ (mostly for the forums).

The regular toolchain is cross-compilation on a Linux PC using Scratchbox. I think there are few dev tools on the tablets proprer, except for Python.

The UI is definitely theme-able.

Changing the WM is a major undertaking, but it's been done (look for posts by "Penguinbait", or about "Mamona").
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post Nov 21 2007, 09:09 AM
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A deal-breaker! biggrin.gif (I need to be able to switch WMs and have good dev tools on the device). Hopefully now I can spend more time on Zaurus stuff (compiling, coding) than debating about whether to get an N810 or not.

Thanks all!
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post Nov 21 2007, 02:30 PM
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Peace of mind at last ! Glad to be of help :-)
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post Nov 22 2007, 06:42 AM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 18 2007, 02:21 AM) *
QUOTE(Snappy @ Nov 17 2007, 12:15 PM) *
3rd note to self: x'mas and new year is not a good reason to get gifts for myself! .... biggrin.gif

But is it a good time to con others into getting gifts for you? tongue.gif


That's an idea! wink.gif I like the ring of it! biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 21 2007, 10:12 AM) *
Sorry for all the questions, but I have (at least) one more (Is there a good place to look for answers, like a consolidated FAQ or something?): Can you make the n810 feel like a regular Linux system (dev tools, change the WM, themes, etc)?

Thanks for the quick, helpful responses and the patience.


I guess as it's been said, it's possible, though there may be an advantage to have the maemo shell/interface for a device of this size.
However, its built in keyboard sure leans weight to having a full blown linux desktop running.

QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 22 2007, 01:09 AM) *
A deal-breaker! biggrin.gif (I need to be able to switch WMs and have good dev tools on the device). Hopefully now I can spend more time on Zaurus stuff (compiling, coding) than debating about whether to get an N810 or not.

Thanks all!

*grin*

If I had not gotten a kohjinsha ... grrr ...
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