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the_oak
post Dec 9 2005, 07:54 PM
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In case Guylhem did not see it in the thread about video acceleration in 6000 >> hardware, I would like to donate to Guylhem's rom, but I need assurance that he has not lost interest in his rom development. I will donate $50.00 thru PayPal to get him going again. And another $50.00 once the network setup apps work, right-handed fonts in rotation, and power button (hardware) button suspends. Anyone else?

But, please let us know we are not donating to a project that has been abandoned. Just say the word, and $50.00 is set aside for you. I realize that you need a reason to provide such a generous gift to people you do not even know, and I, for one, am willing to put my money where my mouth is.

I feel that others would also be willing to donate to development of a better rom. I think your rom holds the most promise for 6000's.

Thanks!
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post Dec 10 2005, 12:45 PM
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Absolutely,

It's sooooo close to having its rough edges polished off. I'll contribute $50usd to this. Just get those things that Oak listed knocked out. And since I made my first donation to him before I had even tried his ROM, I would think there's no need for anyone to doubt whether I'll deliver or not. =)

Guylhem- whether you continue to be a SL-6000 series owner and/or developer or not it would simply be a tradgedy after all the work that you have poured into it to stop just before it's completely done. Your work has been such a magnificent monument to this platform! I wouldn't want to look back at it as an unfinished "Mona Lisa", it deserves to be a completely finished work like Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel.

So, see this through my friend. It will be your legacy to the users of a device that had something in common with you- you were both way ahead of your time in comparison to your peers! And I mean that as a heartfelt compliment.

Having said all that, I've appreciated the work that you've already done for us immensely- and I've always appreciated your friendship as well. So if this simply cannot become a reality please realize that we won't think any less of you personally and we will still hold you in high regard. I don't want you to feel like we're twisting your arm too hard, because you deserve better than that for all you've done for us. Instead we've taken the incentive approach. If some income would buy you the time and opportunity to put a few more hours into this then I will GLADLY contribute- before or after you're done with the ROM. Just let us know that you're intending to finish it out and PayPal will be raining a bit of money on you!

Thanks Guylhem,
-Dan
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loc4me
post Dec 10 2005, 04:49 PM
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I will glady donate as well. I will make the donation not to intice him to work on it more but b/c of the great work he has already done.

Last i talked to Guylhem, he said that he was really busy. I seriously doubt that he has abandoned the ROM. Like every other Zaurus App/rom developer out there, they do these projects in their spare time and have to work normal day jobs like the rest of us. I would like to see Guylhem spend more time polishing out the bugs in the ROM but you know what they say about programming/developing/coding. The last 10% takes 90% of the time.
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post Dec 10 2005, 06:53 PM
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One more thing, I am not trying to put pressure on Guylhem to finish his rom in a certain short period of time. I would just like reassurance tha he is willing to do this as his time permits. I can be patient for a really good rom. (The Sharp rom is good,
but has apparently been abandoned as to further development.) And I really believe that a Sharp-compatible rom with the optimizations Guylhem has already done is what I am looking for.
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the_oak
post Mar 31 2006, 10:13 AM
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Well, it has been over 3 months since my offer was made. I have not seen as much as a reply. So I am presuming that the Guylhem rom project is abandoned sad.gif . Just so that Guylhem does not suddenly pick up development with hopes of receiving a donation, I am posting my withdrawal of the offer of contributions so that I can support another rom.
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post Mar 31 2006, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(the_oak @ Mar 31 2006, 08:13 AM)
Well, it has been over 3 months since my offer was made. I have not seen as much as a reply. So I am presuming that the Guylhem rom project is abandoned  sad.gif . Just so that Guylhem does not suddenly pick up development with hopes of receiving a donation, I am posting my withdrawal of the offer of contributions so that I can support another rom.
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I just emailed him. Give him a few days to see if he's still going to work on it? Great guy, does great work, but gets involved in a bit many things. The downside is many of his projects 'seem' to not be finished. When he does work on stuff, he's great though.
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the_oak
post Mar 31 2006, 06:03 PM
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That is why I have not yet pledged this donation elsewhere. At the moment, I am leaning toward oz, but I was hoping to hear one way or another that this project was either moving (even if slowly) or dead. If time is all that is needed, please let us know. I can wait as long as I know that I am not waiting in vain.

I will wait for a week to hear something before presuming that this project really is abandoned. After that I will look to support another rom.
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post Mar 31 2006, 09:48 PM
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I also hope that this project is not dead. I would be willing to contribute in any way possible. The idea of a rom that is tailored to the great 6000l would be killer. I would be willing to host a page or download site if this project picked up.

Todd
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post Apr 1 2006, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(trichmon @ Apr 1 2006, 12:48 AM)
I also hope that this project is not dead.  I would be willing to contribute in any way possible.  The idea of a rom that is tailored to the great 6000l would be killer.  I would be willing to host a page or download site if this project picked up.

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I would also consider donating more to get this project up and going again. This rom has many nice features that are not available anywhere esle. I would also like to see the Cacko/Guylhem rom that DrWowe was working on be realeased as well. Both of these developers seem to have "disapeared". The 6000 is great hardware i just wish we could get some more "active" development for it. I hate to see this good hardware slip away b/c lack of great software and continued development
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post Apr 2 2006, 06:21 AM
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Guys,

I have in fact not enough time to do everything I want. And while the rom experiment was a great experience, I realised it was only a "first step" - something else is needed. It was not wasted effort, for I learnt many things.

The 6000 is great hardware, and was 99% ready for end users, but even with all my efforts I could not support every missing feature (say video acceleration) and some out-of-the-box features (like fast bluetooth support, to allow A2DP audio) for this 1%.

As the old adage says, 1% of the features requires 99% of the effort.

Trust me, I spent hours and hours working on the 6000, for many reasons. But in the end I realised there would ever be restrictions on what I could do that would take enormous amounts of energy to be removed.

So my approach for the last months has been to rethink of the problem, and look at the options. I explored every "rom" or approach, and concluded pdaxrom was a good model - as good as it could be due to the restrictions.

The Sl 6000 was quite close to perfection, say 99% close, but lacked :
1- stable and 100% supporting 2.6 kernel
2- software we do no have to hack (the keyboard support was a nightmare) but which is simply documentated, and even better - free software !
3- a good integration with existing free software distribution (not reinventing the wheel)

Embedix was the #1 pitfall, the aging Qtopia privately hacked by sharp was the #2 pitfall, and Sharp was the #3 pitfall. I would add a #4 pitfall : the insane price.

All this resulted in an enormous complexity, which made the Zaurus impossible to deal with even for linux experts -there were far too many differences.

Sharp/Embedix/Qtopia quickly hacked together various existing pieces, creating bugs to work around other bugs, and make us live an hell with that. Add to the mix that I do not know enough c++ to code missing applications, and the SL6000 story future could be guessed.

But I don't give up so easily.

Therefore, as I told you before, I decided to rethink the problem and see what we could fix. I went in the other direction :
#4 : we need customer off the shelf hardware. The cheaper, the better. Somebody made plenty suggestions, and I purchased some hardware and did some tests. What I found is the Zaurus were at best glorified pocketpcs -compared to the current offer, and their insane price.
#3 : we must have total management of the sourcecode. Replacing Sharp by OE is not a solution - OE are better, but not up to what I think good enough. Requiring Gigs of hard disks and days of compile time will never win my favors. Yet parts can be reused, so it is at least better.
#2 : even if it pains me to leave qtopia/opie, they are simply impossible to deal with - at least for me. Either I try again to teach myself C++ or I chose a C based solution
If I teach myself C++, I must recode every braindead application to be more user friendly- a daunting task. Starting from scratch is better.
#1 : this is the selection factor - some customer off the shelf hardware for which we have a 100% working 2.6 kernel

Following all this requirements, I have been working with a fellow board member from Germany, and we are ready to announce you a new solution within 1-2 days. It will be a commercial solution ( we want to start a business, because this effort is not manageable as a hobby) but it will be totally free software and very open to the community.

It *will* be different - *very* different from what you all know, and maybe shocking to some, especially considering my past declarations. But the work on it will be much easier for everybody, and it will allow me to deliver much more than my SL6000 project could ever do.

This will be a commercial effort, for which I will try to get clients on board -so if you need a commercial free software handhelds, please get in touch with me - we are investing a lot in the venture, and having good reference clients will be welcome !

Don't worry- there will also certainly be a solution for the SL6000 in a short future, but the focus has changed. I want to do more than a rom. I want to reorient my life and my consultancy business around my dreams of the "best" free software pda people gloat about here.
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post Apr 2 2006, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(guylhem @ Apr 2 2006, 04:21 AM)
So my approach for the last months has been to rethink of the problem, and look at the options.


I guess this means the Guylhem ROM and the kernel project is dead. oh well. Would have been nice if he had gotten it to 1.0 --- I am pretty much am satisfied with the Sharp ROM, but would have switched to his ROM if it made it to 1.0

Unfortunately, networking plus my cards not working was the critical steps that stopped me from making the changeover. Of all the ROM projects, I thought this one had the most potential (I liked being able to use the Sharp ROM ipks, and having just a little more features added incrementally, which is what his was doing).
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post Apr 2 2006, 01:04 PM
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Following all this requirements, I have been working with a fellow board member from Germany, and we are ready to announce you a new solution within 1-2 days. It will be a commercial solution ( we want to start a business, because this effort is not manageable as a hobby) but it will be totally free software and very open to the community.


I am hoping from this that the project is not really "dead" but has only changed directions. The upcoming oz rom sounds good, but is not yet ready for prime time either.

So, I will wait and see what Guylhem has up his sleeve, as I agree with him that doing this sort of work as a hobby or in spare time is just too much without many hands to help. I was trying to set up a cross development pc and have seen that just that first step is very difficult. If I ever get that done, I still am at the "hello world" stage of learning C!! I also fear that I will be old and grey(er) before enough oz developers have a 6000 to test their efforts on. So I am willing to see what Guylhem is working on.

I still would like to contribute funds, and I can test roms that are as easy to install as the rc4 Guylhem rom was. Who knows, in a few years, I may even be able to code up a "hello rest of the world" program.

Go Guylhem and company!!!
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post Apr 2 2006, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(ken @ Apr 2 2006, 01:03 PM)
QUOTE(guylhem @ Apr 2 2006, 04:21 AM)
So my approach for the last months has been to rethink of the problem, and look at the options.


I guess this means the Guylhem ROM and the kernel project is dead. oh well. Would have been nice if he had gotten it to 1.0 --- I am pretty much am satisfied with the Sharp ROM, but would have switched to his ROM if it made it to 1.0

Unfortunately, networking plus my cards not working was the critical steps that stopped me from making the changeover. Of all the ROM projects, I thought this one had the most potential (I liked being able to use the Sharp ROM ipks, and having just a little more features added incrementally, which is what his was doing).
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No, the project is not dead. I have been in contact with Guylhem and he has agreed to fix the bugs in RC3 so the ROM can make it to 1.0. I have started a new thread for this. Post your bugs there so we can get it going.

-Mark
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post Apr 2 2006, 04:38 PM
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a new linux hardware solution? Excellent idea!!

(looking forward to a 6000 rom too)
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