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dlj0
post Sep 18 2007, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Sep 18 2007, 04:32 PM)
Hmm...It fails loading the installer components from the "CD" any thoughts? I'll try recopying it, but other thoughts are welcome.
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Check out the wiki page. It tells you to then enter in the mirror, I believe. When I did this (I got the same error message) it hooked me up with a debian mirror and I had no end of choices. I chose too many packages, so had to back off later, but...
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post Sep 18 2007, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(ZDevil @ Sep 18 2007, 04:48 PM)
So it uses the official ARM packages, is that right?
Then there should be a GCC toolchain?
Do networking, screen rotation and over/under-clocking work?
I suppose the silkscreen keys don't work, do they?
So many questions pop up now because it's very exciting news...

Sorry one more: how can the system upgrade?
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Yes, arm

It has gcc -- it has debian, which has gcc if'n you want it.

Networking works like a charm. I had trouble after installation, since I had two competing sets of modules, one which would not work with my network card. Once I figured out which one to blacklist, I was in business. Wired ethernet works, too. I have not tried usb networking, so can't say about that.

Screen rotation does not work. Neither does over/under clocking, but someone is talking about a new kernel that supports it.

Silkscreen keys don't work, but keylaunch will work for the special buttons on the bottom, and that also allows you to use xloadmap to change "mouse buttons" for touchscreen taps.

I upgraded the system from debian etch to debian lenny by changing the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list (just as you would for any debian), and ran apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. The only thing that broke was the link to the X server (one of my installation steps loaded the xorg server, which is not configured right and you don't want anyway, and the upgrade re-links X to that; a simple linke back to the kdrive server fixes that.

BTW, it is a bit slow to upgrade all that.
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post Sep 18 2007, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Sep 18 2007, 05:19 PM)
I agree, it is awesome. I'm looking forward to having the same OS on my Zaurus as I do on my other computers.

On a different note, I REALLY wish I hadn't accidentally started the install from a mirror instead of the CD. It's taking forever! sad.gif

EDIT: Chero, is the X server the full Xorg, or is it kdrive/some other stripped down X server?
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I even changed the wm on my desktop machines (they used Gnome before, a bit much on a Zaurus) to xfce4 -- so they are all the same.

PIM: You get xfce4's minimalist calendar orage, which is OK, as well as gpe-contacts. You could get a sid version of gpe-calendar, but with them changing, incompatibly, calendar formats with each new version, I don't recommend it.

I currently have working on my Z3100, with titchy/debian:

tex
lyx
gcc
nedit
iceweasel
icedove (these two ignore the Fn key)
wxmaxima
gnumeric, abiword, etc.

With a powered usb hub, I can use a mouse (but I have to hold it sideways...), usb storage, and printer (cups worked no problem).

It really gives you whatever you can find in debian. I have not yet found a package that did not work.
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post Sep 18 2007, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(cal @ Sep 18 2007, 06:09 PM)
Can titchy be modified to allow installation to a SD card for C1000s?
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"Neil" -- whoever he is, he's the guy behind this -- says he can't, but it might be possible with some work. Of course, since installation requires a network connection, and you need the cf slot for that, and you need the sd slot to flash and start the initial install, it may not be possible since you don't have a free card slot. The kernel won't support the usb without modules, but maybe the 1000 has enough internal storage to hold the base system?
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post Sep 18 2007, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(Chero @ Sep 18 2007, 01:09 PM)
Hi,

I had no hits when searching for "titchy" here, so I thought I'd mention it exists.

Titchy homepage

It is a debian arm system that comes with very nice instructions and an installer.
(it's not armel, no need to compile you're own kernel, no ... - it justs works)

Those looking for native debian on the Z, this seems to be it.

Have fun,
Chero.
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I've been using this for a week now, and love it. It is real debian, and I have yet to have a problem besides speed issues. These machines are not all that fast, after all, and some things take a long time to load. Printing with lyx took a long time the first time since metafont and all that was running in the background.

But I am spending the Spring on sabbatical in Spain, and now I can take my Z as my only computer, and still manage to work. It has everything that debian has, since that is what it is.

I'm glad to see someone else notice this.
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post Sep 18 2007, 05:33 PM
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Wow.

A few questions, if you don't mind?

How is multimedia?
Bluetooth? Bluetooth gprs?

plugins for iceweasel?

This is very interesting smile.gif
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post Sep 18 2007, 07:21 PM
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OK, impressions. I get the impression that this is not normal:

-My SD card won't appear in /dev
-udev isn't installed

Can't do much else at this point. If somebody could post their install steps, it'd be appreciated. This looks really neat, but it is horribly broken for me sad.gif
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post Sep 18 2007, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Sep 18 2007, 07:21 PM)
OK, impressions. I get the impression that this is not normal:

-My SD card won't appear in /dev
-udev isn't installed

Can't do much else at this point. If somebody could post their install steps, it'd be appreciated. This looks really neat, but it is horribly broken for me sad.gif
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I'm having trouble too-- my internal cf replacement seems to format, but is causing a kernel panic.

did you check your files? sounds you have a corrupt download to me
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post Sep 18 2007, 08:52 PM
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I have tried tons of times and cannot get thru the "Failed to determine the codename for release" message.... even tried the workaround on the suggested 'choose-mirror' installer module add-on....

i have no wifi / LAN card installed right now and is there any work around to mount the debootstrap on the dists/etch/.../Release on the faked cdrom? since after browsing several debian help in the web, I think the problem is dealing with that.
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post Sep 18 2007, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(dinorex @ Sep 19 2007, 05:52 AM)
I have tried tons of times and cannot get thru the "Failed to determine the codename for release" message.... even tried the workaround on the suggested 'choose-mirror' installer module add-on....

i have no wifi / LAN card installed right now and is there any work around to mount the debootstrap on the dists/etch/.../Release on the faked cdrom? since after browsing several debian help in the web, I think the problem is dealing with that.
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You need a network connection to install it. I had the error when my LAN wasn't configured properly.
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post Sep 18 2007, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ Sep 19 2007, 02:33 AM)
Wow.

A few questions, if you don't mind?

How is multimedia?
Bluetooth? Bluetooth gprs?

plugins for iceweasel?

This is very interesting smile.gif
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Bluez, gnome-bluetooth, gnokii, wammu, ... They are all in the feeds, but I haven't tested them yet.
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post Sep 18 2007, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Sep 19 2007, 04:21 AM)
OK, impressions. I get the impression that this is not normal:

-My SD card won't appear in /dev
-udev isn't installed

Can't do much else at this point. If somebody could post their install steps, it'd be appreciated. This looks really neat, but it is horribly broken for me sad.gif
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I have no trouble with the SD, I can mount it just fine.
Udev : not tested yet.
resume-suspend : seems to work fine (the debian eabi I tried couldn't always resume -> blank screen)
Having more than just a root user : works

It can help to check the "comments" section of the homepage, some issues have been solved already.

I have to start working now, will try to do some more testing this evening.
Chero.
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post Sep 19 2007, 01:58 AM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Sep 19 2007, 05:21 AM)
OK, impressions. I get the impression that this is not normal:

-My SD card won't appear in /dev
-udev isn't installed

Can't do much else at this point. If somebody could post their install steps, it'd be appreciated. This looks really neat, but it is horribly broken for me sad.gif
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My installation report:

Hmm. udev is installed without problem in my case. Base system installs smoothly. Wireless networking (w/ 128-bit WEP) works like a charm.

I tried two of my SD cards. The first one seems to be corrupted and the CD image was not extracted completely. Then I switched to another SD and everything was fine.

Now installing the Standard system set ...

(to be continued ...)
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post Sep 19 2007, 03:58 AM
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Hmm...I will try again later. It's probably my LAN.
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post Sep 19 2007, 05:42 AM
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Debian got installed on my 3200!
Now another quick question: can someone tell me what are included in the titchy "meta-package"? How is it different from titchy-desktop
From the "Comments" section in the wiki, neil says it depends on GAIM, Sylpheed, etc., and uninstalling these programs will also uninstall titchy.
Perhaps I can try to install titchy-desktop and see what i need. (Well, this is a great chance to play with genuine apt-get on my Z ... at last! wink.gif )
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