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danboid
post Apr 12 2007, 05:43 AM
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In this day and age 99% of people wholeheartedly believe that whatever is broadcast on the news programs in the mainstream media is exactly what is going on in the world- disagree and you're considered a nutjob because 'all the TV/radio stations and papers agree- all my friends are saying the same things' but anyone who hasn't been living under a rock for the last 30 years should be more than well aware that Rupert Murdoch (just a puppet for higher, eviler people) is to what the public believe by shaping our media as what good ol' Billy boy is to our software industry. We all know how badly both of these models of information filtration, restriction and suppression must end ASAP- it will be at our terminal peril otherwise. Thank God for the internet, Linux and open source then! Information NEEDS to become and remain free or I could've never learned what I tell you of here!

As individuals we may not have much power, but together and with the force of good on our side we will be unstoppable!

By writing in the blank bits on monetary bills, printing T-shirts, changing your online sigs, getting a tattoo on your forehead biggrin.gif etc. etc.we can educate the world by spreading the teachings of America's greatest researcher - Jordan Maxwell and also widely distributing these two (or 3) very important URLS:

http://disclosureproject.org/

http://cheniere.org/ or http://www.seaspower.com/

Its that easy! These two links and a name can point everyone to that which the media is suppresing - the knowledge which will go most of the way to saving the world but isn't because of the greed of a very few evil but supremely powerful men.

I'm changing my sig now!
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post Apr 12 2007, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(danboid @ Apr 12 2007, 02:43 PM)
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Hm. No. It is not the media suppressing the information (although I agree that they all copy the same bits). It is that it is *no* information.

And although your links are new to me, the content is not. UFO stories, Perpetuum Mobile and Tapping Vaccuum energy stories are there for several years. Do you remember Pons&Fleischmann? Nobody has proven them to be correct.

I think you have become the next victim of a more or less religious industry that lives from selling nonsense as the latest scientific news and that there is a worldwide conspiracy against the proponents and the truth. Therefore, they are the *good* guys who disclose hidden information the *bad* world is trying to hide.

If you do some research (e.g. on the Internet) you will find that this has happened through centuries. Start with people in ancient times who had a hidden recipie to make gold out of nothing.

May I also recommend to study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell and his work on scepticism. Remain sceptical, even for stories that tell you someone is trying to hide important information...

Well, and Sharp is telling us the wrong story about the Zaurus. In fact, they are hiding a successor to the latest models since they want to introduce it at the same day as Apple finally launches the iPhone. And it will be *much* better than an iPhone. It has a better display, is smaller, has a better battery, more memory, more features and everything you can imagine. This is all to make the world better.

Unfortunately, no newspaper is citing my story...

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post Apr 12 2007, 08:38 AM
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Dan,

First off, thanks for sharing. I agree with some of your points, applaud your enthusiasm and encourage you to keep looking for truth.

Secondly, and I hope I don't offend, but some things to keep in mind:
-People tend to be resistant to change and when change comes it tends to not happen instantly.
-I agree that there is a time to speak up. But I also think there needs to be a balance between speaking up and leading by example. I've caught more fish by waiting for them to take the bait then but asking them to act quickly.
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ArchiMark
post Apr 12 2007, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(dhns @ Apr 12 2007, 08:56 AM)
QUOTE(danboid @ Apr 12 2007, 02:43 PM)
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Hm. No. It is not the media suppressing the information (although I agree that they all copy the same bits). It is that it is *no* information.

And although your links are new to me, the content is not. UFO stories, Perpetuum Mobile and Tapping Vaccuum energy stories are there for several years. Do you remember Pons&Fleischmann? Nobody has proven them to be correct.

I think you have become the next victim of a more or less religious industry that lives from selling nonsense as the latest scientific news and that there is a worldwide conspiracy against the proponents and the truth. Therefore, they are the *good* guys who disclose hidden information the *bad* world is trying to hide.

If you do some research (e.g. on the Internet) you will find that this has happened through centuries. Start with people in ancient times who had a hidden recipie to make gold out of nothing.

May I also recommend to study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell and his work on scepticism. Remain sceptical, even for stories that tell you someone is trying to hide important information...

Well, and Sharp is telling us the wrong story about the Zaurus. In fact, they are hiding a successor to the latest models since they want to introduce it at the same day as Apple finally launches the iPhone. And it will be *much* better than an iPhone. It has a better display, is smaller, has a better battery, more memory, more features and everything you can imagine. This is all to make the world better.

Unfortunately, no newspaper is citing my story...

-- hns
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AMEN, Brother hns!!!

Unfortunately, what some of our friends here are confusing being so-called 'open-minded' with 'critical-thinking' abilities!!

I can be be as open-minded as the next guy, but I always get my critical thinking turned on and watch the needle on the b#@$sh*& meter dial....

Seems like some have fallen prey to the 'conspiracy theory' group that sees one under every rock and 'Man' or 'America' is behind all of them....

UTTER RUBBISH!!!

And while we're at it, it's not 'Man' or 'America' that's causing so-called 'Global Warming' either...and real scientist/climatologist can tell you that if anything is happening climate change-wise it has more to do with changes in the sun and/or vents in the ocean floor.

These are natural and cyclical historical events...if you bother to check your history....

If anything, some warming usually precedes the Earth entering into a cooling period...so, I'd advise you to start stocking up on longjohns and wool sweaters!!

Of course, I might just be part of the conspiracy that just wants to sell everyone more wool goods and reap more corporate profits for the real masters (sorry, I can't reveal who they are, as you guys don't have the proper security clearance..)....

Oh boy, think I've revealed to much already....if you don't hear from me again, you'll know what happened....
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Fushnchupsh
post Apr 12 2007, 11:46 AM
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I think that was the point I was trying to make. While the link is terribly interesting, and truely makes you think, you really don't know what to believe. Everyone has some sort of bias that they are trying to push upon us as fact. I do however encourage everyone to be open minded and look at that movie Dan had posted. It's long, but interesting. I am not saying that I know what I feel, I just think it's important to get as much information as possible so you can develop your own train of thought. It's just a hard issue because you don't want to dephile the memory of those who were killed in the attacks. People are so sensative about it and so they should be.

I also reccomend everyone to do a little googling about the Real I.D. act. It's an American thing but still a touch big brotherish. I think the UK had something in the works like this as well?

I encourage everyone to be very active in politics at a local level. Part of the problem in the US is that we, the people, the regular people have sat around and passed the buck to the uppity ups (the neo-aristocracy if you will) and thus, lost some power. I tell everyone that I meet that I will be Mayor of my town someday and I will. After that, you might see me in the governor's seat wink.gif who knows.
But even those who don't have my insane want to fight for things I believe in can go to town meetings, etc. Let your opinion be known. That's the most important thing.

erm.... </rant> sorry

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ArchiMark
post Apr 12 2007, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(Fushnchupsh @ Apr 12 2007, 12:46 PM)
I think that was the point I was trying to make.  While the link is terribly interesting, and truely makes you think, you really don't know what to believe.  Everyone has some sort of bias that they are trying to push upon us as fact.  I do however encourage everyone to be open minded and look at that movie Dan had posted.  It's long, but interesting.  I am not saying that I know what I feel, I just think it's important to get as much information as possible so you can develop your own train of thought.  It's just a hard issue because you don't want to dephile the memory of those who were killed in the attacks.  People are so sensative about it and so they should be.   

I also reccomend everyone to do a little googling about the Real I.D. act.  It's an American thing but still a touch big brotherish.  I think the UK had something in the works like this as well?

I encourage everyone to be very active in politics at a local level.  Part of the problem in the US is that we, the people, the regular people have sat around and passed the buck to the uppity ups (the neo-aristocracy if you will) and thus, lost some power.  I tell everyone that I meet that I will be Mayor of my town someday and I will.  After that, you might see me in the governor's seat wink.gif who knows.
But even those who don't have my insane want to fight for things I believe in can go to town meetings, etc.  Let your opinion be known.  That's the most important thing.

erm....  </rant> sorry

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AMEN to that too, Brother Fish!!

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danboid
post Apr 12 2007, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(dhns @ Apr 12 2007, 03:56 PM)
QUOTE(danboid @ Apr 12 2007, 02:43 PM)
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Hm. No. It is not the media suppressing the information (although I agree that they all copy the same bits). It is that it is *no* information.

And although your links are new to me, the content is not. UFO stories, Perpetuum Mobile and Tapping Vaccuum energy stories are there for several years. Do you remember Pons&Fleischmann? Nobody has proven them to be correct.

I think you have become the next victim of a more or less religious industry that lives from selling nonsense as the latest scientific news and that there is a worldwide conspiracy against the proponents and the truth. Therefore, they are the *good* guys who disclose hidden information the *bad* world is trying to hide.

If you do some research (e.g. on the Internet) you will find that this has happened through centuries. Start with people in ancient times who had a hidden recipie to make gold out of nothing.

May I also recommend to study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell and his work on scepticism. Remain sceptical, even for stories that tell you someone is trying to hide important information...

Well, and Sharp is telling us the wrong story about the Zaurus. In fact, they are hiding a successor to the latest models since they want to introduce it at the same day as Apple finally launches the iPhone. And it will be *much* better than an iPhone. It has a better display, is smaller, has a better battery, more memory, more features and everything you can imagine. This is all to make the world better.

Unfortunately, no newspaper is citing my story...

-- hns
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Did you actually visit cheniere.org llike I've been advising? I don't think you even gave it a chance, judging from your lack of real feedback. It won't cost you a thing to do so, I'm not selling anything here, just hoping you will realise we've been greatly deceived and it needs to end. Maybe you're happy with being cheated, ripped off and lied to? Maybe you don't care about the planet our the future of our race? If so then none of this will matter to you. Fushnchups, on the other hand, HAS been bothered to take heed of my advice and he is recommending you give my links a chance.

On cheniere.org, amongst other things, it links to the full patents of a over-unity ('free energy') generator created and independently verified as working. This was invented by Hitachi in the 1980's but had its release thwarted by the Japanese mafia, the Yakuza. True, your man on the street wouldn't be able to afford to construct the designs (not that most would even consider such things exist in the first place) but the fact is the technology has been around for over a century and we're still using antiquated, non-renewable power sources- now we have Iraq...

This Hitachi device is just one example of a known, working over-unity device. There is a Swiss village called Linden which is powered by another over-unity device called the Testatika- I could give more examples but I've already given you enough to be going on with.

The question is not 'who's brainwashed?' it is really 'who ISN'T brainwashed?' and the answer to that is pretty much no-one. We're all victims, just that some people really have problems changing a world view or opinion on something they're believed and re-enforced for their entire life. I am fully aware that what I've been telling you all here is shocking and may sound totally ridiculous but don't mock me until you've seriously looked at all the info and vids I've linked to in this thread.

Yes, people DO make money out of selling books on so-called 'conspiracies', I'm not denying that, but when most people, including yourself now, talk of conspiracy you are implying that what I'm talking of is "misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration" - this is certainly not the case giving the amount of proof I've already offered and I can continue to provide more and more proof which you can then go on and research and verify this for yourself like I have.
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post Apr 12 2007, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Apr 12 2007, 12:38 PM)
Unfortunately, what some of our friends here are confusing being so-called 'open-minded' with 'critical-thinking' abilities!!

I can be be as open-minded as the next guy, but I always get my critical thinking turned on and watch the needle on the b#@$sh*& meter dial....
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I completely agree. I don't know enough facts to prove it's a conspiracy, and I'd guess it's a lot easier to prove it's a conspiracy than to actually prove that it isn't. The 9/11 conspiracy theories contain mostly a lot of coincidences that you can find to support almost anything if you look hard enough. Most of the rest is facts that I cannot prove or disprove.

QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Apr 12 2007, 12:38 PM)
Of course, I might just be part of the conspiracy that just wants to sell everyone more wool goods and reap more corporate profits for the real masters (sorry, I can't reveal who they are, as you guys don't have the proper security clearance..)....

Oh boy, think I've revealed to much already....if you don't hear from me again, you'll know what happened....
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It's been nice knowing you. smile.gif
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post Apr 12 2007, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Apr 12 2007, 07:38 PM)
And while we're at it, it's not 'Man' or 'America' that's causing so-called 'Global Warming' either...and real scientist/climatologist can tell you that if anything is happening climate change-wise it has more to do with changes in the sun and/or vents in the ocean floor.

These are natural and cyclical historical events...if you bother to check your history....


I did not want to jump into this discussion but....

Even leaving away the facts stated by the united stations, scientists all over the world and widely accepted by the remaing part of the world except the US and China that global warming is a consequence of industrialisation and pollution- would you really bet on it, continue as before and just wait what happens risking that Silicon Valley is becoming a hot and dry desert with no point of return ? Not to speak of the other consequences ? That is a very, very high risk you would be taking.

Those "real scientists" you have mentioned are a very small minority and the sun as a cause (which is morely used as an excuse for not seeing reasons for actions) has been contraticted several times. The influence of the (proven) solar activitites on the climate is simply not big enough to cause all the changes predicted.

'nuff said.

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post Apr 12 2007, 09:55 PM
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It's all quite simple, there are too many people who cause industrialisation and pollution. Just get rid off all the countries that cause the most problems, ie all the countries which presently or formerly have/had a name that start with a U. smile.gif

Of course I am only kidding, but I could claim to be a 'scientist' and dig up truck loads of documentation 'proving' that this theory was the only way to save human kind...

On the other hand, all Zaurii should be banned because they contain sillicon which is not biodegradable and hence bad for the environment...
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post Apr 12 2007, 10:09 PM
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I dunno-- I think you kind of hit it. Too many people, period. We should probably have per region population caps.
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QUOTE(ofels @ Apr 13 2007, 05:22 AM)
Even leaving away the facts stated by the united stations, scientists all over the world and widely accepted by the remaing part of the world except the US and China that global warming is a consequence of industrialisation and pollution ...

I think it's only the US, or more specifically the Bush regime[1] which is continuing to deny that global warming is occurring and that it is caused by human activity. The first thing the Bush regime did when it illegally seized power was to tear up most of the the international accords agreed upon (but pending ratification) by the Clinton administration and this of course included the Kyoto Protocol. In contrast China has not only ratified Kyoto but is also prepared to agree to reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases even though its per capita emission levels are a tiny fraction of the USs.

[1]White House staff have and still are actively watering down reports from scientific community. The despicable John Bolton had done the same to UN statements on the subject.
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post Apr 13 2007, 01:39 AM
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QUOTE(danboid @ Apr 12 2007, 10:04 PM)
Did you actually visit cheniere.org llike I've been advising? I don't think you even gave it a chance, judging from your lack of real feedback. It won't cost you a thing to do so, I'm not selling anything here,
You may not be but the website sure is, the first page has at least 5 links to various dvds and books. Instead of selling those, why not just sell the damn machines/motors/generators/or whatever they're called. Eg on http://cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm there is a picture of a "Working Replication of a Magnetic Wankel motor", why isn't Tom Bearden selling these?

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On cheniere.org, amongst other things, it links to the full patents of a over-unity ('free energy') generator created and independently verified as working.
The USPTO must have been sleeping (what's new?) when they granted 6362718, because they are not supposed to grant patents to "perpetual motion" machines.

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This was invented by Hitachi in the 1980's but had its release thwarted by the Japanese mafia, the Yakuza.
Wow, this sounds just like the plot for "Mission Earth" - Ron Hubbard smile.gif
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If you are as tired of the 9/11 hoaxsters as I am, check out:

http://stoprosie.com and

http://fallingpanda.blogspot.com/

Enough already. As stated previous, the tin foil hat silliness of the "science" that must be believed in order to deny 9/11 is more than a stretch. The inclusion of that statement significantly diminishes some other worthwhile messages. In general, web petitions are a was of time. When significant numbers of people stop buying the products of advertisers, that works. If you don't believe me, when you order your egg Mcmuffin this morning, ask Don Imus. Cheers.
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