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A5DF
post Jun 10 2007, 12:28 PM
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http://www.oesf.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t24159.html

First I had boot problems, now I have no boot, and no emergency rom? I need to get fixed so I can boot again into something?
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post Jun 10 2007, 07:36 PM
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Try Fn+D+M. This is supposedly not corruptible as it is in ROM and not on flash. Then reflash your Z and you should be fine.
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post Jun 10 2007, 08:22 PM
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Instructions please? Exact instructions this time? Menu, page, timing, order, etc. Don't hold back on the details either.
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post Jun 11 2007, 01:12 AM
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Instructions:

0) Curse pelrun for these instructions
1) Click the Search button
2) Use "Fn+D+M" as search term
3) Click "Perform Search"
4) Read post containing instructions
5) Follow instructions

(yeah, sorry, couldn't resist. It has been covered before.)
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post Jun 11 2007, 07:52 AM
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http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...#092;+d\+m

When we have exact instructions, and then something does not work. We have some point of comparison. The above seems to be what you're talking about? I got only as far as bkup rstr menu sl-3100. It still says the bak file is not on my SD? Help?

mkfs.msdos /dev/sde1 (fat16)
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A5DF
post Jun 12 2007, 03:33 PM
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Stauts: D+M, and Fn+D+M both work correctly. D+B is not working anymore? Booting does not work anymore, and OK+on/off does not work anymore.

Wow, I see people here are just oozing good will, and assistance right? Let us not miss a snippy remark about what was already posted before mkay? Direct links, oh noes. Dialog, hahahah! Good one! I realize that people's lives do not revolve around this forum, but it's real nice to tell someone "go try this stuff, and fuck up your Z", then get in on the haha's later.

I did what I was asked, and it does not work. In fact my problem started out not really that bad, and now I have nothing, but a lifeless brick. Does someone out there feel like walking me through getting my Z working again? I really don't feel like spending the rest of my life here waiting for an answer anymore that any of you would.

On a side note about the boards. If you want to talk shit about what was posted elsewhere, or "search" for it. How about taking the best posts, and chopping them up to make a sticky? Fn+D+M would be a great subject. How to NAND restore, HDD restore, etc. If all of this is too much, then I'm guessing the "hangers on" have now overwhelmed your forum, and this place holds no meaning anymore. There are many reasons not to cut people loose on "search", but if that is also too great an intellectual leap then again why are you here at all? I'm not bashing, I'm offering constructive advise.
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post Jun 12 2007, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(A5DF @ Jun 13 2007, 09:33 AM)
Stauts: D+M, and Fn+D+M both work correctly. D+B is not working anymore? Booting does not work anymore, and OK+on/off does not work anymore.

Wow, I see people here are just oozing good will, and assistance right? Let us not miss a snippy remark about what was already posted before mkay? Direct links, oh noes. Dialog, hahahah! Good one! I realize that people's lives do not revolve around this forum, but it's real nice to tell someone "go try this stuff, and fuck up your Z", then get in on the haha's later.

I did what I was asked, and it does not work. In fact my problem started out not really that bad, and now I have nothing, but a lifeless brick. Does someone out there feel like walking me through getting my Z working again? I really don't feel like spending the rest of my life here waiting for an answer anymore that any of you would.

On a side note about the boards. If you want to talk shit about what was posted elsewhere, or "search" for it. How about taking the best posts, and chopping them up to make a sticky? Fn+D+M would be a great subject. How to NAND restore, HDD restore, etc. If all of this is too much, then I'm guessing the "hangers on" have now overwhelmed your forum, and this place holds no meaning anymore. There are many reasons not to cut people loose on "search", but if that is also too great an intellectual leap then again why are you here at all? I'm not bashing, I'm offering constructive advise.
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learn german and then read and follow the manual on trisoft's site. that's all. simple. you can even cheat and read the english translated manual instead of the german one smile.gif
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post Jun 12 2007, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(A5DF @ Jun 12 2007, 11:33 PM)
Wow, I see people here are just oozing good will, and assistance right? Let us not miss a snippy remark about what was already posted before mkay? Direct links, oh noes. Dialog, hahahah! Good one! I realize that people's lives do not revolve around this forum, but it's real nice to tell someone "go try this stuff, and fuck up your Z", then get in on the haha's later.
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The thing is, it is a huge ask for those instructions to be recreated from scratch every time somebody else needs them. At the very least you're asking someone to do the search for you and paste the results verbatim into this thread, which isn't helpful at all - and actually makes things worse, because then there will be multiple copies of outdated instructions when the original gets updated; and people who do the right thing and start by searching could be undone by that bad info.

If you have encountered problems with following the information you've found elsewhere then it's appropriate to ask additional questions; then we've got something specific to focus our attention on. Then we'll find out where the original information is deficient and it can be updated for the next person who needs it.

Saying "it doesn't work, somebody hold my hand every step of the way and I refuse to do any research myself and I'll get pissy if you suggest I do" is just promising pain for anyone who wants to help you out.

We don't want you to have a lifeless brick, we just want to use what little free time we have productively.

Anyway, you're certain you've formatted your card correctly and unzipped the NAND backups into the root of it correctly?
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post Jun 12 2007, 06:11 PM
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Just did, it says to do what the above link said. Still does not work. Nice try, sadly no soap.

Pelrun,

I understand your point, but you stop short of mine. I'm not getting pissy b/c I don't want to fix it. I'm getting pissy b/c the bad advise so far has made things worse. Not better. I have something to focus on. What I was just told (I even linked it for you!) to do fails, every time I try it again.

I formatted a cf, and sd msdos (fat16). I unzipped the file from trisoft to their roots. "file found not!"
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post Jun 12 2007, 07:42 PM
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Calm down. I'd rather not have to read through you belittling my attempts to help just to get to the bits where you explain what specific problem you're having.

(and I said you're getting pissy because you didn't like the answers you're getting, not because you don't want it fixed; despite those answers all being directed at getting you up and running again.)

Nothing I could put in a post at this point will make things magically work. It's not an automatic process. You've completely failed to give me any real pertinent details yet, you certainly aren't making an effort to volunteer any; so I have to guess at what questions to ask.

*sigh*

List exactly and completely the names of the files which are currently in the root of your CF/SD cards.
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post Jun 12 2007, 07:47 PM
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post Jun 12 2007, 08:23 PM
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This thread has become rather ridiculous and I feel as though I started this tyrade just trying to honestly help. I half-read the link in your first post and it looked like you at least half knew what you were doing and so I said to use the Fn+D+M menu instead because I assumed your D+M menu was not working.

I'm sorry that I don't have 24 hours a day and 7 days a week to check the forums and reply to your every post, but I have to work among other things. wink.gif

See this thread here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23987

It explains (in detail) how to recover your Z should you mess it up. This is actually the method of installing pdaXii13 after installing U-boot, but it should work for any messed up Z.

Note that this is for a C3100 which I assume you have (you mentioned the C3100 restore file), but I have no definite indication that you own a C3100.

Note also that much of this is irrelevant -- you will probably not have to restore the disk partitions unless you altered them in the first place (although if you did alter the partitions you can use those instructions to recover).

I think you should only need steps 1-9 and you should be set. If you do need to restore partitions, the easiest way is to use the pdaXii13 installer to do it but don't actually install pdaXii13 (instead flash back to the Sharp ROM). Again, the instructions are there.

This thread: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23364 should also help you if you need to restore your hard drive partitions.

I guess I'm the atypical OESF member -- I tend to lurk and absorb a lot of information and then post once I know what I'm doing. That's probably also because I would never dream of toying around with Z flashing without knowing every recovery procedure, but I guess that's just because I'm cheap and consider my Z to be valuable -- and if I ever screwed it up it would be a HUGE waste of money. wink.gif
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post Jun 12 2007, 09:12 PM
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It looks like it's *critical* to use "-F 16" on the mkfs.msdos line or else you get FAT32. Use "file -s [devicename]" to check. I wouldn't be surprised if that's your biggest problem.

Also, do you only have one card in at a time when you go to restore, or do you just leave both in simultaneously? (BTW, don't do that, just put the one in you want to use.)
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post Jun 12 2007, 09:36 PM
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t3_slider,

No you were good. Working from unbreakable is the best in my way of seeing things. As I said, I understand people have real lives. This is why it's nice to play in volume. Yes, in my parent post I did say I own a 3100. I hear you about the valuable, but I was hoping to work on getting good embedded java working amoung other things. I guess toying w/ my Z is why I got it?

pelrun,

I'll try again tomarrow as it's really late now. Sounds like we're onto something now? When I remount it msdos it looks right. When it automounts it shows up vfat? (workstation/cardreader) Yes, I only use one, or the other. Not both.

"file: could not find any magic files!"
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post Jun 12 2007, 10:17 PM
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Don't use "mount" to determine the card format. msdos/vfat is definitely not a synonym for FAT16/FAT32; they are independent aspects of the format.

Use the "file -s [devicename]" command, that will tell you *exactly* which FAT type it is.
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