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post Feb 20 2007, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE(tg @ Feb 20 2007, 10:47 AM)
I'm soo pissed I hope Sharp goes bancrupt (I also feel like throwing my Aquos through the window).
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If and when you decide to throw... make sure I'm out side of your windows with a net...

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post Feb 20 2007, 08:16 AM
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From the other "em" thread:

QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Feb 20 2007, 10:16 AM)
there is 4 phone OS's on the market and only one can advertise "crasihng" as a feature

M$ is committed to provide the same user experience on mobile devices as on the desktop.
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post Feb 20 2007, 12:10 PM
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There IS something respectable about consistency.
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post Feb 20 2007, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(desertrat @ Feb 21 2007, 12:16 AM)
From the other "em" thread:

QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Feb 20 2007, 10:16 AM)
there is 4 phone OS's on the market and only one can advertise "crasihng" as a feature

M$ is committed to provide the same user experience on mobile devices as on the desktop.
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Guys, which version of windows are you using that is crashing?

btw, I also use ubuntu /w xgl beryl in dual-boot mode with WinXP /pro.
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post Feb 20 2007, 06:02 PM
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Probably the one that has the rootkit.... tongue.gif
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post Feb 20 2007, 06:44 PM
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there has honestlly never been an OS i have used that i could not crash consistantly

linux is no excepition (nvidia 3d drivers with a xen PAE kernel, works everytime 3d kicks in sad.gif)

however the windows OS's i would crash without intending to do so. for refrence i was talking about windows mobile 5.
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post Feb 20 2007, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Feb 20 2007, 08:44 PM)
there has honestlly never been an OS i have used that i could not crash consistantly

linux is no excepition (nvidia 3d drivers with a xen PAE kernel, works everytime 3d kicks in sad.gif)

however the windows OS's i would crash without intending to do so. for refrence i was talking about windows mobile 5.
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And the difference between M$ OS's and *NIX OS's is that you can usually fix the *NIX OS but will quite often have to reinstall a M$ OS. The popularity of M$ OS's has created a whole market for wonderful little pieces of software that fill up the registry and system directories (which doesn't help). If you are careful about what you install XP can be a very stable OS.
But we digress. tongue.gif
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post Feb 21 2007, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Feb 21 2007, 02:44 AM)
there has honestlly never been an OS i have used that i could not crash consistantly

How do you mean by "consistently"? If you mean you can make it crash whenever you want, then that's a whole lot different to windoze where it crashes whenever I don't want.

The trouble with windoze crashes is that more often than not it takes out the whole system.

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Guys, which version of windows are you using that is crashing?

All versions up to and including Win98SE, NT and XP (I skipped ME, 2K). Admittedly with XP it crashes less often, but then this XP box is only used for playing BG2 and has only the bare essentials on it (AVG antivirus and ZoneAlarm). Back when I was still using windoze on a regular basis I would often switch on my monitor in the morning to find that Win98 had died from the BSOD (I leave my machines on 24/7). With linux I could have uptimes of weeks and months (usually depending on how often I update the kernel).
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post Feb 21 2007, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(tg @ Feb 20 2007, 04:47 PM)
I'm sorry but all the memory and connectivity options in the world can not compensate - I'm soo pissed I hope Sharp goes bancrupt (I also feel like throwing my Aquos through the window).
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what's wrong with Sharp Aquos products? I have been contemplating buying one of their Aquos TVs... only I suppose I'd find it'd be a suddenly discontinued model and the new model would have a different OS, there's be no firmware updates, they'd suddenly stop selling them in my country and technical support would be cancelled...
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post Feb 21 2007, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 21 2007, 12:39 PM)
QUOTE(tg @ Feb 20 2007, 04:47 PM)
I'm sorry but all the memory and connectivity options in the world can not compensate - I'm soo pissed I hope Sharp goes bancrupt (I also feel like throwing my Aquos through the window).
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what's wrong with Sharp Aquos products? I have been contemplating buying one of their Aquos TVs... only I suppose I'd find it'd be a suddenly discontinued model and the new model would have a different OS, there's be no firmware updates, they'd suddenly stop selling them in my country and technical support would be cancelled...
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Absolutely nothing wrong with Aquos LCD - great product. I was just letting off some steam since I'm so angry with Sharp due to them replacing wonderful Zaurus with that POS that I went as far as trashing another (wonderfull) Sharp product.
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post Feb 21 2007, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Feb 21 2007, 10:44 AM)
there has honestlly never been an OS i have used that i could not crash consistantly

linux is no excepition (nvidia 3d drivers with a xen PAE kernel, works everytime 3d kicks in sad.gif)

however the windows OS's i would crash without intending to do so. for refrence i was talking about windows mobile 5.
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I see ... laugh.gif ... Yes, Windows Mobile 5 ... well, it plain sucks ... even hardcore dell axim users swear on it! Some even downgraded to an earlier version just to have a stabler OS. tongue.gif

QUOTE(desertrat @ Feb 21 2007, 01:22 AM)
All versions up to and including Win98SE, NT and XP (I skipped ME, 2K). Admittedly with XP it crashes less often, but then this XP box is only used for playing BG2 and has only the bare essentials on it (AVG antivirus and ZoneAlarm). Back when I was still using windoze on a regular basis I would often switch on my monitor in the morning to find that Win98 had died from the BSOD (I leave my machines on 24/7). With linux I could have uptimes of weeks and months (usually depending on how often I update the kernel).


Oh come on, Win98 is like almost 10 years old! I have to agree that Win98 was pretty flaky ... but at the same time, the whole thing with IRQ and hardware was a nightmare! If you take a linux distro from 1998 ... I think there's a high chance that it was a challenge to install and get all the drivers working anyway.

I use WindowsXP on a daily basis, Pro in the office, Home at ... well, home! ... and neither of them crashes on me. And when some crazy app crashes, I just kill it via taskmanager. The only time my notebook BSOD was when my ram died. I promptly replaced it and I'm back in business. (Incidentally, I just sent the ram back to newegg last month and got a *FULL* refund for it! hohoho)

Notably, I don't overclock my system. Actually, I underclock it to conserve on battery life. wink.gif There was a time when I would overclock my system (cpu, ram, gpu etc) like mad, and yes, Windows (98 if I don't recall wrong) was very very unstable.
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post Feb 21 2007, 08:16 PM
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This looks soooo coooool - except for the Windows crap on it. Here is a nice reveiw

http://www.origamiportal.com/modules/news/...php?storyid=321

It will be interesting to see a hands on review in March and to port this to Linux...... I know that this forum community is more then capable biggrin.gif
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post Feb 22 2007, 05:13 AM
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QUOTE(maximusz @ Feb 21 2007, 11:16 PM)
This looks soooo coooool - except for the Windows crap on it. Here is a nice reveiw

http://www.origamiportal.com/modules/news/...php?storyid=321

It will be interesting to see a hands on review in March and to port this to Linux...... I know that this forum community is more then capable biggrin.gif
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There is no doubt that the community is capable but the question is who in the linux community will be motivated to spend any development time on this?
I think most developers on these forums by far prefer clam design so as soon as there is a new clam device out there (linux or not) that is where the focus will go - until then developers will probably continue to work on Zaurus.
If you really like this device the easiest (although not cheap) thing to do is buy OQO which gives you similar screen+keyboard design but also access to real linux distributions (x86 processor).
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post Feb 22 2007, 05:22 AM
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If this device is really as good as it is advertised, people will develop Linux kernels and drivers for it.

The only question is:
Will the device stay on market long enough for these people to produce good results within the life cycle of it, so it will be useful to other users, too?
With pdaXrom etc. we slowly get into the "very stable and usable" stage, but unfortunately, the hardware is not produced anymore.

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post Feb 22 2007, 07:00 AM
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QUOTE(daniel3000 @ Feb 22 2007, 08:22 AM)
If this device is really as good as it is advertised, people will develop Linux kernels and drivers for it.

The only question is:
Will the device stay on market long enough for these people to produce good results within the life cycle of it, so it will be useful to other users, too?
With pdaXrom etc. we slowly get into the "very stable and usable" stage, but unfortunately, the hardware is not produced anymore.

daniel
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Exactly - and it took a while to get to this stable and usable stage (and that is after starting out with device that already had some type of linux on it). This is why I find it extremely unlikely that anyone will spend a couple of years on this to make it work well - by then it will already be obsolete (and still there is an issue of no clam which I think people on these forums care about).
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