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guylhem
post May 7 2005, 06:50 PM
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Hello

The first "end user ready" release is being uploaded. It features a nice GUI and should work out of the box (no command line special knowledge should be necessary)

Get it on: http://externe.net/zaurus/guylhem-rom/

The only bugs I could find (and honnestly, they are not serious drawbacks) are:
- some remaining keyboard remapping (power/record are used like a jogdial, but should also be able to start applications - they can't yet)
- the network application refuses to add new interfaces. So I replaced the usual netsetup by a different one I compiled and I created a "Get online" icon, which can be used to create a new connection, before using the network application (that's the only if you really want to use the old one called netsetup.old). I have no idea why it doesn't work :-( Trolltech version works fine, Sharp doesn't. Any help would be welcome

If you feel like giving a try, your feedback would be very welcome. What you get :
- a polished qtopia 1.5 rom loaded with applications
- a cleaned filesystem (no symlinks everywhere)
- 24 Mb free to add your own applications (I doubt you'll need them - it's *loaded* with applications, basically every app I use is there, PIM, Hancom, Opera, etc etc.)

What's new since last version :
- added qtopia 1.5 interface
- made sure it worked well
- fixed the zoom/systemtime bugs reported in the standalone qtopia packages.

What's missing :
- special modules used by special card. If you have such a card, please tell me or adf so we can compile your missing module for you

To install it, simply restore the nandbackup. That's all. On reboot, you may see jffs2 errors - that's normal. It's just very verbose. You are presented with a login: if you log in, qtopia won't start. Press home twice to open another console. Press userkey/light to move between consoles. You must log out of every shell so Qtopia may start 30 seconds later. However the keyboard may not be usable if you didn't return to the first console. So if you want to use qtopia, simply don't log in.

Anyway, let's start the beta test ! I'm also preparing a dedicated feed for the ROM. If you have a .ipk that works fine and you think should be interesting to other people, please send me a URL where I can download it and add it to the feed.

If you think some application should be included by default, please tell me too. I'd like to create a "different" rom, very user oriented. Everything should be simple and work out of the box - the apps. I did choose tend to do that.

Guylhem
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guylhem
post May 14 2005, 11:02 AM
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Please do ! That's the purpose of the wiki

I suggest the following pages:
- installation notes
- bugs
- features suggestions

Maybe a sum up of this thread would be good

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post May 14 2005, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(guylhem @ May 14 2005, 11:02 AM)
Please do ! That's the purpose of the wiki

I suggest the following pages:
- installation notes
- bugs
- features suggestions

Maybe a sum up of this thread would be good

Guylhem
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Great!

I created a guylhem ROM development section at http://externe.net/zaurus/faq with links to the three pages you suggested above. I created the InstallationNotes page with a description of my hack to make /tmp on CF work. The other two pages still haven't been created. I'll look at them later today.

I think that I will "cherry pick" items from this thread to include. If anyone would like to add to, subtract from or reformat what's there, or create more content, please do!

Edited to correct broken link pointed out in the third following post.
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post May 14 2005, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(hbo @ May 14 2005, 01:11 PM)
I created a guylhem ROM development section at http://externe.net/faq with links to the three pages you suggested above. I created

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I'm sure you mean http://externe.net/zaurus/faq
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post May 14 2005, 05:48 PM
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ultimately, I agree. a choice of guis, and the flexibilty created byt a system done that way would be best overall.

as a personal bit of madness, though i really like using the ram w/ qt onboard anpocketworkstaion on my sd, I could see shrinking my qt setup some and making a "huge" base install sytem with a ton o moduls and libs.
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post May 14 2005, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 05:48 PM)
ultimately, I agree. a choice of guis, and the flexibilty created byt a system done that way would be best overall.

as a personal bit of madness, though i really like using the ram w/ qt onboard anpocketworkstaion on my sd, I could see shrinking my qt setup some and making a "huge" base install sytem with a ton o moduls and libs.
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My tastes run that way too. biggrin.gif

But, the point is, those are my tastes, which aren't identical to yours, which..

If we put some thought now into what it would take to layer a personality on top of a minimal core, I think it would lead to a more flexible and useful system later. Since Gutylhem has been doing a lot of the work on this project, (it is named after him 8) I think we should start with his choice of apps as the "standard" install. As things stand, I think you can rip and replace just about anything in the system, since you can write to all the (visible) filesystems. But wouldn't it be nice to define a set of tasks to make it a QT/X-Qt/PW/GPE/Whatever system or all of the above? We don't have to write this all at once. We just have to avoid dependencies between the layers so that such a system is possible. And to do that, we need to define the layers, at least to some level of detail, if not fully specify them.

Thoughts? Are we reinventing part of the OE wheel?
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post May 14 2005, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 05:48 PM)
ultimately, I agree. a choice of guis, and the flexibilty created byt a system done that way would be best overall.

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I've tried OZ and it's flavors. To be honest with you, gpe is a bit sterile, but stable. Opie is nice but a bit buggy at the edges. If you want a choice of GUIs, then wouldn't that be what OZ is about? I can pretty much live with how he has things set up. He has a point about certain apps can always be updated with later versions (as long as this keeps moving).

What I think is more important, is making sure the most used of apps is there. Which means things like a good media player of some sort that can play tons of things. zbedic is nice of course - I was surprised that OE is still on 0.9.4 rather than 0.9.5. And so forth - cover the basics of what people need and would use.

The image program would be a problem though - photostorage does large images, which I haven't seen others do.

As for however he wants it released is fine by me --- using nand restore is fine. That certainly simplifies things. Maybe later that could be tuned to whatever.

For me, I'm hoping at some point we could have a cvs type of system, so we can participate in the debugging of things.
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guylhem   Guylhem Rom: First Qtopia 1.5 Release   May 7 2005, 06:50 PM
adf   Getting it now this should be excellent. XQT com...   May 7 2005, 11:03 PM
adf   killer splash screen tree explorer? or advancedfm...   May 7 2005, 11:35 PM
eddiectc   Great rom! Just tried, very usable! Now p...   May 8 2005, 03:25 AM
guylhem   Regarding the splash screen - believe it or not bu...   May 8 2005, 05:07 AM
eddiectc   the link to get the opera 7.5 http://www14.softwar...   May 9 2005, 03:46 AM
rip   what a fuck...ing time it should took you for such...   May 8 2005, 12:27 PM
adf   a small issue. when trying to install packages, s...   May 8 2005, 01:28 PM
guylhem   Hello rip- it tooks a long long time. A grand tot...   May 8 2005, 02:58 PM
adf   fixed both easily. thnx. gott play around with th...   May 8 2005, 04:55 PM
rip   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 8 2005, 10:58 PM)adf - re...   May 10 2005, 04:21 AM
adf   QUOTE(rip @ May 10 2005, 12:21 PM)QUOTE(guylh...   May 10 2005, 07:39 AM
adf   I can click on the battery f i am in qtopia. If n...   May 10 2005, 07:55 AM
rip   it's simple, really. just su and do mkdir /mnt...   May 10 2005, 11:01 AM
adf   [quote=rip,May 10 2005, 07:01 PM] it's simple,...   May 10 2005, 12:50 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 10 2005, 12:50 PM)0 .0 it...   May 12 2005, 12:19 PM
adf   QUOTE(hbo @ May 12 2005, 08:19 PM)QUOTE(adf ...   May 12 2005, 12:48 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 12 2005, 12:48 PM)QUOTE(hbo ...   May 12 2005, 06:08 PM
ken   Guylhem, When you have a chance, could you post t...   May 12 2005, 07:00 PM
adf   hmmm.... ok If you want an os on the microdrive, ...   May 12 2005, 07:38 PM
adf   I heard back for Klauss W. on the keymap thing. he...   May 12 2005, 09:11 PM
adf   QUOTE(adf @ May 13 2005, 05:11 AM)I heard bac...   May 12 2005, 09:16 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 12 2005, 09:16 PM)[btw so far...   May 12 2005, 09:30 PM
adf   except.... Qtopia 2.1 is based on what I think is ...   May 12 2005, 09:35 PM
hbo   It should be doable. I wonder what start/stop daem...   May 12 2005, 09:59 PM
adf   lmao.... I was wondering that too. I guess we try...   May 12 2005, 10:23 PM
hbo   On my collie I have OZ 3.5.3/Opie 1.2 and nxclient...   May 12 2005, 10:39 PM
hbo   Last one for tonight. So I was wrong about it de...   May 12 2005, 10:45 PM
adf   can we get the source? I hadn't looked. It co...   May 12 2005, 10:55 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 12 2005, 07:38 PM)hmmm.... ok...   May 12 2005, 09:14 PM
gfdsa   opera_sl-5x00-7.30.9965_arm.ipk installs cleanly, ...   May 9 2005, 05:32 AM
kahm   QUOTE(gfdsa @ May 9 2005, 07:32 AM)opera_sl-5...   May 9 2005, 10:27 AM
systemparadox   WOW! A ROM for a 6k? I must be dreaming. Well,...   May 9 2005, 07:16 AM
rip   done straight forward, all stuff works, wifi also ...   May 9 2005, 09:16 AM
rip   pb i think, i cant install anything to sd or cf, i...   May 9 2005, 11:22 AM
ken   Guylhem, Thought I'd clean up your README fil...   May 9 2005, 12:20 PM
ken   Bug List (Qtopia GUI): ---------------------------...   May 9 2005, 02:32 PM
adf   You could just mount the sd card manually, or edit...   May 9 2005, 08:05 PM
gab74   i'm testing the rom...and things works well......   May 10 2005, 12:05 AM
guylhem   ken, Thanks a lot for the readme. I'll use it...   May 10 2005, 12:06 AM
ken   >for me if I can't find a play to have both...   May 10 2005, 02:00 AM
gfdsa   very good job guylhem, tried yesterday, without me...   May 10 2005, 01:05 AM
rip   wep key 40 bits entered and surfing ok, qtopia de...   May 10 2005, 02:30 AM
ken   I suppose I could compare the network settings tha...   May 10 2005, 03:19 AM
rip   another little pb, the file browser after a reboot...   May 10 2005, 04:11 AM
gfdsa   no unicode fonts btw, had to copy files from Qtopi...   May 10 2005, 07:47 AM
rip   i appologize for my incompetence, but witch /tmp h...   May 11 2005, 05:26 AM
gfdsa   add/remove applet ? how to get there? i have all ...   May 11 2005, 05:51 AM
rip   well, sorry, windows typology rests.... icon name...   May 11 2005, 07:02 AM
adf   if you are in a console in qtopia there is, effect...   May 11 2005, 07:14 AM
adf   IRK. the "a" key on my ir keyboard does...   May 11 2005, 01:55 PM
adf   QUOTE(adf @ May 11 2005, 09:55 PM)IRK. the ...   May 11 2005, 01:57 PM
guylhem   installating in other places besides internal flas...   May 11 2005, 05:52 PM
ken   >installating in other places besides internal ...   May 11 2005, 06:16 PM
adf   I had wondered about the usb thing after I posted ...   May 11 2005, 06:27 PM
adf   doing a fastffpe kernel with the usb fix btw? and...   May 11 2005, 08:42 PM
guylhem   Hello ken : if ipkg.conf doesn't help, I...   May 12 2005, 06:31 AM
adf   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 12 2005, 02:31 PM)Hello ...   May 12 2005, 07:40 AM
rip   this quick post to ask if its not a good idea to i...   May 12 2005, 07:38 AM
gfdsa   speaking of multiple guis, one of the ideas that i...   May 12 2005, 08:27 AM
adf   absolutely. i'd love to see this quingy workin...   May 12 2005, 08:54 AM
gfdsa   thats the idea, adf, i did not advance lately, my ...   May 12 2005, 10:35 AM
bear426   Will this work on the SLC 3000? If it does, and s...   May 12 2005, 12:45 PM
guylhem   adf - I don't need 2.95 toolchain - already go...   May 12 2005, 11:29 PM
adf   I'll have to look again, lmy last "soluti...   May 13 2005, 07:44 AM
hbo   I reflashed this evening with the 0.9 release. As...   May 13 2005, 05:12 PM
adf   home key to open a new terminal. maybe you should...   May 13 2005, 09:16 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 13 2005, 09:16 PM)maybe you s...   May 13 2005, 10:32 PM
ken   QUOTE(hbo @ May 13 2005, 03:12 PM)Is there a ...   May 13 2005, 09:21 PM
guylhem   A wiki is ready on externe.net/zaurus/faq. It...   May 14 2005, 05:54 AM
hbo   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 14 2005, 05:54 AM)A wiki ...   May 14 2005, 10:54 AM
guylhem   Please do ! That's the purpose of the wiki...   May 14 2005, 11:02 AM
adf   another reason for an install script or two imho. ...   May 14 2005, 11:22 AM
hbo   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 14 2005, 11:02 AM)Please ...   May 14 2005, 03:11 PM
ken   QUOTE(hbo @ May 14 2005, 01:11 PM)I created a...   May 14 2005, 04:48 PM
hbo   QUOTE(ken @ May 14 2005, 04:48 PM)I'm sur...   May 14 2005, 05:39 PM
adf   ultimately, I agree. a choice of guis, and the fle...   May 14 2005, 05:48 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 05:48 PM)ultimately,...   May 14 2005, 06:34 PM
ken   QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 05:48 PM)ultimately,...   May 14 2005, 08:03 PM
hbo   QUOTE(ken @ May 14 2005, 08:03 PM)QUOTE(adf ...   May 14 2005, 09:08 PM
adf   nah... Guylhem is doing great stuff with the defa...   May 14 2005, 09:02 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 09:02 PM)... My fir...   May 14 2005, 09:20 PM
adf   actually, i tend to do 600l configs a bit differen...   May 14 2005, 11:10 PM
hbo   Got it regarding the relationship of this ROM to O...   May 14 2005, 11:29 PM
hbo   Well, I got to remember how to recover from uninst...   May 15 2005, 12:26 AM
guylhem   adf, to swap 125 and 30 you need to edit the sourc...   May 14 2005, 11:05 AM
guylhem   I fixed /tmp ipkg problems using /home/tmp in /etc...   May 14 2005, 11:55 AM
adf   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 14 2005, 07:55 PM)Regardi...   May 14 2005, 11:58 AM
adf   QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 07:58 PM)QUOTE(guylh...   May 14 2005, 12:02 PM
ken   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 14 2005, 09:55 AM)I fixed...   May 14 2005, 02:00 PM
hbo   QUOTE(ken @ May 14 2005, 02:00 PM)QUOTE(guylh...   May 14 2005, 03:22 PM
hbo   I'm thinking about a flexible base system on t...   May 14 2005, 03:27 PM
guylhem   Hello Regarding the keymap, I tried to match as c...   May 15 2005, 05:29 AM
CoreDump   QUOTEAnyway I'm open. Please tell me how you t...   May 15 2005, 06:14 AM
guylhem   QUOTE(CoreDump @ May 15 2005, 06:14 AM)QUOTEA...   May 15 2005, 09:04 AM
adf   you have mail ( I think)   May 15 2005, 09:29 AM
hbo   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 15 2005, 09:04 AM)QUOTE(C...   May 15 2005, 10:50 AM
hbo   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 15 2005, 05:29 AM)So if y...   May 15 2005, 07:33 AM
Mickeyl   [deleted]   May 15 2005, 05:50 AM
guylhem   Honnestly, there's no best way I know. Breakin...   May 15 2005, 08:47 AM
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