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guylhem
post May 7 2005, 06:50 PM
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Hello

The first "end user ready" release is being uploaded. It features a nice GUI and should work out of the box (no command line special knowledge should be necessary)

Get it on: http://externe.net/zaurus/guylhem-rom/

The only bugs I could find (and honnestly, they are not serious drawbacks) are:
- some remaining keyboard remapping (power/record are used like a jogdial, but should also be able to start applications - they can't yet)
- the network application refuses to add new interfaces. So I replaced the usual netsetup by a different one I compiled and I created a "Get online" icon, which can be used to create a new connection, before using the network application (that's the only if you really want to use the old one called netsetup.old). I have no idea why it doesn't work :-( Trolltech version works fine, Sharp doesn't. Any help would be welcome

If you feel like giving a try, your feedback would be very welcome. What you get :
- a polished qtopia 1.5 rom loaded with applications
- a cleaned filesystem (no symlinks everywhere)
- 24 Mb free to add your own applications (I doubt you'll need them - it's *loaded* with applications, basically every app I use is there, PIM, Hancom, Opera, etc etc.)

What's new since last version :
- added qtopia 1.5 interface
- made sure it worked well
- fixed the zoom/systemtime bugs reported in the standalone qtopia packages.

What's missing :
- special modules used by special card. If you have such a card, please tell me or adf so we can compile your missing module for you

To install it, simply restore the nandbackup. That's all. On reboot, you may see jffs2 errors - that's normal. It's just very verbose. You are presented with a login: if you log in, qtopia won't start. Press home twice to open another console. Press userkey/light to move between consoles. You must log out of every shell so Qtopia may start 30 seconds later. However the keyboard may not be usable if you didn't return to the first console. So if you want to use qtopia, simply don't log in.

Anyway, let's start the beta test ! I'm also preparing a dedicated feed for the ROM. If you have a .ipk that works fine and you think should be interesting to other people, please send me a URL where I can download it and add it to the feed.

If you think some application should be included by default, please tell me too. I'd like to create a "different" rom, very user oriented. Everything should be simple and work out of the box - the apps. I did choose tend to do that.

Guylhem
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guylhem
post May 14 2005, 11:02 AM
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Please do ! That's the purpose of the wiki

I suggest the following pages:
- installation notes
- bugs
- features suggestions

Maybe a sum up of this thread would be good

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post May 14 2005, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(guylhem @ May 14 2005, 11:02 AM)
Please do ! That's the purpose of the wiki

I suggest the following pages:
- installation notes
- bugs
- features suggestions

Maybe a sum up of this thread would be good

Guylhem
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Great!

I created a guylhem ROM development section at http://externe.net/zaurus/faq with links to the three pages you suggested above. I created the InstallationNotes page with a description of my hack to make /tmp on CF work. The other two pages still haven't been created. I'll look at them later today.

I think that I will "cherry pick" items from this thread to include. If anyone would like to add to, subtract from or reformat what's there, or create more content, please do!

Edited to correct broken link pointed out in the third following post.
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post May 14 2005, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(hbo @ May 14 2005, 01:11 PM)
I created a guylhem ROM development section at http://externe.net/faq with links to the three pages you suggested above. I created

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I'm sure you mean http://externe.net/zaurus/faq
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post May 14 2005, 05:48 PM
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ultimately, I agree. a choice of guis, and the flexibilty created byt a system done that way would be best overall.

as a personal bit of madness, though i really like using the ram w/ qt onboard anpocketworkstaion on my sd, I could see shrinking my qt setup some and making a "huge" base install sytem with a ton o moduls and libs.
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post May 14 2005, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 05:48 PM)
ultimately, I agree. a choice of guis, and the flexibilty created byt a system done that way would be best overall.

as a personal bit of madness, though i really like using the ram w/ qt onboard anpocketworkstaion on my sd, I could see shrinking my qt setup some and making a "huge" base install sytem with a ton o moduls and libs.
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My tastes run that way too. biggrin.gif

But, the point is, those are my tastes, which aren't identical to yours, which..

If we put some thought now into what it would take to layer a personality on top of a minimal core, I think it would lead to a more flexible and useful system later. Since Gutylhem has been doing a lot of the work on this project, (it is named after him 8) I think we should start with his choice of apps as the "standard" install. As things stand, I think you can rip and replace just about anything in the system, since you can write to all the (visible) filesystems. But wouldn't it be nice to define a set of tasks to make it a QT/X-Qt/PW/GPE/Whatever system or all of the above? We don't have to write this all at once. We just have to avoid dependencies between the layers so that such a system is possible. And to do that, we need to define the layers, at least to some level of detail, if not fully specify them.

Thoughts? Are we reinventing part of the OE wheel?
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post May 14 2005, 09:02 PM
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nah...

Guylhem is doing great stuff with the default rom setup.

what the gui replacement system would consist of are a few scripts to mount images, and maybe make links.

The pain will be loading tarring and untarring and troubleshooting the additional guis.

Guylhem's next bit will be opie, I think.

Other than help testing that, maybe we can figure out how to do stuff on qtopia 2.1, then rip and move it around?

I think the X roms should probably be the last thing we touch (though I really like x) just because they will be different and are eveolving fastest.

My first issue is the &*(&*$%^#!! keymap issue with fbvnc 1.71 (latest). apparently what is needed is to use loadkeys and maybe guylhem's tosa.map to fix it up. I can't seem to make it go..nor an i seem to figure out why. It is probably child's play too...
Anyone have an idea?

I also should setup oe this weekend.

and load and tar Qtopia 2.1. (which so far, I can't seem to install opera on).

I probably should sort out the irk issues too... but I chickened out there and ordered a roll-up usb kbd rolleyes.gif


so.. the agenda for the sideshow (while Guylhem is putting on the main event) should be what? 2.1? pocketworkstation issues? getting ready for opie? ( I need to make some kernel modules too, I think.. though the old ones I made seem to work ok)

opie--when it gets done-- is going to be sweet on this rom btw

edit: this is assuming the stuff we try works with the curent guylhem kernel. I know that doing a kernel update in qtopi2.1 did not work. the mobile QtPalmtop obver g-rom might?
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post May 14 2005, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 09:02 PM)
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My first issue is the &*(&*$%^#!!  keymap issue with fbvnc 1.71 (latest).  apparently what is needed is to use loadkeys and maybe guylhem's tosa.map to fix it up. I can't seem to make it go..nor an i seem to figure out why.  It is probably child's play too...
Anyone have an idea?

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so.. the agenda for the sideshow (while Guylhem is putting on the main event) should be what? 2.1?  pocketworkstation issues? getting ready for opie?  ( I need to make some kernel modules too, I think.. though the old ones I made seem to work ok)

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The keyboard issues also impact the fbvncserver from SDG Systems. Personally, I think that's one I might be able to tackle. Surely its just a matter of modifying the VNC server's map (in the driver for clients local to the server) to match what the kernel is expecting? The other high priority bug for me is that the package manager won't let you install to CF or SD. Since the ipkg command won't do the links when you do a '-d cf' that's a real pain.

I have a cross compile environment, but I'm not set up to build the kernel for testing. Are you doing anything special? (Other than "make oldconfig; make depend; make bzImage"?)
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post May 14 2005, 11:10 PM
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actually, i tend to do 600l configs a bit differently than guylhem does his configs.

He has gone to compiling more stuff in, so that difference is less...

But I compile in all the basic usb stuff, do usb bluetooth comiplied in, and ignore the rest of bluetooth (since I have an "L")... compile in wireless and ipv6 and tunneling support, that sort of thing.

The new kernel has changed a bit.. so I am having to feel my way around to get a good "L" version-centric kernel. ATM I'm having something in "tools" die on me... likely something I thought looked like fun but didn't really need too smile.gif

Other than that.. I use his source when I compile.... It's right there on externe for download

If you can get the fbvnc keyboard issues sorted out, I expect that will help a lot of people... I know I'd like the option on PW..and (though I didn't know of the problem yet) I do occasionally use fbvncserver to work on my Z

As for the great gui debate rolleyes.gif

A). A basic gui that is compatible with the largest number of packages and has the most useable interface is obviously the highest priority. ATM that is indeed Qtopia 1.5. I think, Ultimately that Gutlhem's roadmap is correct, and that Qtopia 2.1 will make the best solution.

cool.gif. As to reinventing OZ. Guylhem is planning (you read his roadmap?) to implement fast floating point and gcc 3.x stuff eventually. This will surely mean dabbling with stuff OZ has done.But using opie does not necessarily mean it will wind up the same as OZ/6k.. which is merely the product of a much bigger project. I think it would be more like tuning OE to build something very specifiacally tweaked for the 6k/G-rom. this is not the same.. though it is a huge project. The roadmap.. says it is heading for a softfloat enabled qtopia 2.1.

OK. Softfloat 2.1 then is the goal. Opie is a likely by product.

By version 1.5 of this Rom QTopia 1.5 and Opie will be available options, I think. right there is an argument for making gui changes easy. when Qtopia 2 is added as default, there will be 3 possible guis-- 1 default. If one of us loonies wants an X gui there will be 4. and why not? I think we should pitch in to help make this work.. but I don't think that precludes stuff like making multiple gui options easier to have.

Right now, I suppose troubleshooting the existing stuff is something the 6kers should be working on... but obviously we can do that stuf and branch out a little too smile.gif

and having multiple gui options is not reinventing oz. there will be only one official one.. and all of them are derivate of other projects. A very different proposition, I think.
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post May 14 2005, 11:29 PM
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Got it regarding the relationship of this ROM to OE/OZ. It's sort of like Cacko, but for the 6K. That's worth pursuing.

I'm looking at fbvncserver first, assuming it's going to be similar to the debian package. Just now, I'm having trouble with tssimd and kbdsim, so I can't reproduce the odd stuff I was getting earlier.

Did you ever find a workaround for the package manager and external storage?
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guylhem   Guylhem Rom: First Qtopia 1.5 Release   May 7 2005, 06:50 PM
adf   Getting it now this should be excellent. XQT com...   May 7 2005, 11:03 PM
adf   killer splash screen tree explorer? or advancedfm...   May 7 2005, 11:35 PM
eddiectc   Great rom! Just tried, very usable! Now p...   May 8 2005, 03:25 AM
guylhem   Regarding the splash screen - believe it or not bu...   May 8 2005, 05:07 AM
eddiectc   the link to get the opera 7.5 http://www14.softwar...   May 9 2005, 03:46 AM
rip   what a fuck...ing time it should took you for such...   May 8 2005, 12:27 PM
adf   a small issue. when trying to install packages, s...   May 8 2005, 01:28 PM
guylhem   Hello rip- it tooks a long long time. A grand tot...   May 8 2005, 02:58 PM
adf   fixed both easily. thnx. gott play around with th...   May 8 2005, 04:55 PM
rip   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 8 2005, 10:58 PM)adf - re...   May 10 2005, 04:21 AM
adf   QUOTE(rip @ May 10 2005, 12:21 PM)QUOTE(guylh...   May 10 2005, 07:39 AM
adf   I can click on the battery f i am in qtopia. If n...   May 10 2005, 07:55 AM
rip   it's simple, really. just su and do mkdir /mnt...   May 10 2005, 11:01 AM
adf   [quote=rip,May 10 2005, 07:01 PM] it's simple,...   May 10 2005, 12:50 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 10 2005, 12:50 PM)0 .0 it...   May 12 2005, 12:19 PM
adf   QUOTE(hbo @ May 12 2005, 08:19 PM)QUOTE(adf ...   May 12 2005, 12:48 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 12 2005, 12:48 PM)QUOTE(hbo ...   May 12 2005, 06:08 PM
ken   Guylhem, When you have a chance, could you post t...   May 12 2005, 07:00 PM
adf   hmmm.... ok If you want an os on the microdrive, ...   May 12 2005, 07:38 PM
adf   I heard back for Klauss W. on the keymap thing. he...   May 12 2005, 09:11 PM
adf   QUOTE(adf @ May 13 2005, 05:11 AM)I heard bac...   May 12 2005, 09:16 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 12 2005, 09:16 PM)[btw so far...   May 12 2005, 09:30 PM
adf   except.... Qtopia 2.1 is based on what I think is ...   May 12 2005, 09:35 PM
hbo   It should be doable. I wonder what start/stop daem...   May 12 2005, 09:59 PM
adf   lmao.... I was wondering that too. I guess we try...   May 12 2005, 10:23 PM
hbo   On my collie I have OZ 3.5.3/Opie 1.2 and nxclient...   May 12 2005, 10:39 PM
hbo   Last one for tonight. So I was wrong about it de...   May 12 2005, 10:45 PM
adf   can we get the source? I hadn't looked. It co...   May 12 2005, 10:55 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 12 2005, 07:38 PM)hmmm.... ok...   May 12 2005, 09:14 PM
gfdsa   opera_sl-5x00-7.30.9965_arm.ipk installs cleanly, ...   May 9 2005, 05:32 AM
kahm   QUOTE(gfdsa @ May 9 2005, 07:32 AM)opera_sl-5...   May 9 2005, 10:27 AM
systemparadox   WOW! A ROM for a 6k? I must be dreaming. Well,...   May 9 2005, 07:16 AM
rip   done straight forward, all stuff works, wifi also ...   May 9 2005, 09:16 AM
rip   pb i think, i cant install anything to sd or cf, i...   May 9 2005, 11:22 AM
ken   Guylhem, Thought I'd clean up your README fil...   May 9 2005, 12:20 PM
ken   Bug List (Qtopia GUI): ---------------------------...   May 9 2005, 02:32 PM
adf   You could just mount the sd card manually, or edit...   May 9 2005, 08:05 PM
gab74   i'm testing the rom...and things works well......   May 10 2005, 12:05 AM
guylhem   ken, Thanks a lot for the readme. I'll use it...   May 10 2005, 12:06 AM
ken   >for me if I can't find a play to have both...   May 10 2005, 02:00 AM
gfdsa   very good job guylhem, tried yesterday, without me...   May 10 2005, 01:05 AM
rip   wep key 40 bits entered and surfing ok, qtopia de...   May 10 2005, 02:30 AM
ken   I suppose I could compare the network settings tha...   May 10 2005, 03:19 AM
rip   another little pb, the file browser after a reboot...   May 10 2005, 04:11 AM
gfdsa   no unicode fonts btw, had to copy files from Qtopi...   May 10 2005, 07:47 AM
rip   i appologize for my incompetence, but witch /tmp h...   May 11 2005, 05:26 AM
gfdsa   add/remove applet ? how to get there? i have all ...   May 11 2005, 05:51 AM
rip   well, sorry, windows typology rests.... icon name...   May 11 2005, 07:02 AM
adf   if you are in a console in qtopia there is, effect...   May 11 2005, 07:14 AM
adf   IRK. the "a" key on my ir keyboard does...   May 11 2005, 01:55 PM
adf   QUOTE(adf @ May 11 2005, 09:55 PM)IRK. the ...   May 11 2005, 01:57 PM
guylhem   installating in other places besides internal flas...   May 11 2005, 05:52 PM
ken   >installating in other places besides internal ...   May 11 2005, 06:16 PM
adf   I had wondered about the usb thing after I posted ...   May 11 2005, 06:27 PM
adf   doing a fastffpe kernel with the usb fix btw? and...   May 11 2005, 08:42 PM
guylhem   Hello ken : if ipkg.conf doesn't help, I...   May 12 2005, 06:31 AM
adf   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 12 2005, 02:31 PM)Hello ...   May 12 2005, 07:40 AM
rip   this quick post to ask if its not a good idea to i...   May 12 2005, 07:38 AM
gfdsa   speaking of multiple guis, one of the ideas that i...   May 12 2005, 08:27 AM
adf   absolutely. i'd love to see this quingy workin...   May 12 2005, 08:54 AM
gfdsa   thats the idea, adf, i did not advance lately, my ...   May 12 2005, 10:35 AM
bear426   Will this work on the SLC 3000? If it does, and s...   May 12 2005, 12:45 PM
guylhem   adf - I don't need 2.95 toolchain - already go...   May 12 2005, 11:29 PM
adf   I'll have to look again, lmy last "soluti...   May 13 2005, 07:44 AM
hbo   I reflashed this evening with the 0.9 release. As...   May 13 2005, 05:12 PM
adf   home key to open a new terminal. maybe you should...   May 13 2005, 09:16 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 13 2005, 09:16 PM)maybe you s...   May 13 2005, 10:32 PM
ken   QUOTE(hbo @ May 13 2005, 03:12 PM)Is there a ...   May 13 2005, 09:21 PM
guylhem   A wiki is ready on externe.net/zaurus/faq. It...   May 14 2005, 05:54 AM
hbo   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 14 2005, 05:54 AM)A wiki ...   May 14 2005, 10:54 AM
guylhem   Please do ! That's the purpose of the wiki...   May 14 2005, 11:02 AM
adf   another reason for an install script or two imho. ...   May 14 2005, 11:22 AM
hbo   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 14 2005, 11:02 AM)Please ...   May 14 2005, 03:11 PM
ken   QUOTE(hbo @ May 14 2005, 01:11 PM)I created a...   May 14 2005, 04:48 PM
hbo   QUOTE(ken @ May 14 2005, 04:48 PM)I'm sur...   May 14 2005, 05:39 PM
adf   ultimately, I agree. a choice of guis, and the fle...   May 14 2005, 05:48 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 05:48 PM)ultimately,...   May 14 2005, 06:34 PM
ken   QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 05:48 PM)ultimately,...   May 14 2005, 08:03 PM
hbo   QUOTE(ken @ May 14 2005, 08:03 PM)QUOTE(adf ...   May 14 2005, 09:08 PM
adf   nah... Guylhem is doing great stuff with the defa...   May 14 2005, 09:02 PM
hbo   QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 09:02 PM)... My fir...   May 14 2005, 09:20 PM
adf   actually, i tend to do 600l configs a bit differen...   May 14 2005, 11:10 PM
hbo   Got it regarding the relationship of this ROM to O...   May 14 2005, 11:29 PM
hbo   Well, I got to remember how to recover from uninst...   May 15 2005, 12:26 AM
guylhem   adf, to swap 125 and 30 you need to edit the sourc...   May 14 2005, 11:05 AM
guylhem   I fixed /tmp ipkg problems using /home/tmp in /etc...   May 14 2005, 11:55 AM
adf   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 14 2005, 07:55 PM)Regardi...   May 14 2005, 11:58 AM
adf   QUOTE(adf @ May 14 2005, 07:58 PM)QUOTE(guylh...   May 14 2005, 12:02 PM
ken   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 14 2005, 09:55 AM)I fixed...   May 14 2005, 02:00 PM
hbo   QUOTE(ken @ May 14 2005, 02:00 PM)QUOTE(guylh...   May 14 2005, 03:22 PM
hbo   I'm thinking about a flexible base system on t...   May 14 2005, 03:27 PM
guylhem   Hello Regarding the keymap, I tried to match as c...   May 15 2005, 05:29 AM
CoreDump   QUOTEAnyway I'm open. Please tell me how you t...   May 15 2005, 06:14 AM
guylhem   QUOTE(CoreDump @ May 15 2005, 06:14 AM)QUOTEA...   May 15 2005, 09:04 AM
adf   you have mail ( I think)   May 15 2005, 09:29 AM
hbo   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 15 2005, 09:04 AM)QUOTE(C...   May 15 2005, 10:50 AM
hbo   QUOTE(guylhem @ May 15 2005, 05:29 AM)So if y...   May 15 2005, 07:33 AM
Mickeyl   [deleted]   May 15 2005, 05:50 AM
guylhem   Honnestly, there's no best way I know. Breakin...   May 15 2005, 08:47 AM
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