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post May 31 2005, 04:55 AM
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Dear all,

it appears that ELSI is not really used by users and developers - and killefiz.de is no longer being updated.

And killefiz.de says:
elsix.org is already operational - there are still some things that need to be done but it's already much better than ZSI ever was.

But if I look at the latest entries, I have the impression that elsix is not really being adopted and used. It e.g. appears that nobody uses the voting mechanism and developes use just the default branch. And there are just 2 new entries since 17th April.

What does that mean?
* is ELSIX not user friendly enough?
* is there no new Zaurus software development?
* is there a simple solution to fix?

My opinion is that Roy has done a great job in preparing ELSIX - but there was probably not really the need for all those new bells and whistles. It was just the need to have someone to approve project updates in the old killefiz (incl. style&layout). So we end up in great technology but low use.

Should we switch back to the killefiz database&scripts (just host it here) and find volunteers to approve projects (there is a lot of spam in the killefiz backlog)?

What are your opinions?

-- hns
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post Jun 12 2005, 09:09 AM
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I've been thinking, and just came to a realization.

The reason why killefiz became successful and others not as much so, is his sytem was easy to see new things, easy to add new things, and you could quickly do what you want.

It was an open system, so developers could quickly pop in and pop out. That made it a painless process. Other systems were not as successful, because they weren't as easy or simple for them to use.

The same goes for users. They could easily do anything.

There were errors, which he'd go in and check. Other users could submit changes as needed, all of which were subject to his review. Toward the end it was too much for a single person to do, which is why he problem just said, heck it.

That's the price of an open system. At the same time, it was the very reason why he had such a popular system.

We may say we want this or that, but I think the reality is, his worked pretty well as is. It just needed more help.
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dhns   What's Wrong With Elsi?   May 31 2005, 04:55 AM
pgas   1- lack visibility: google for "zaurus gaim...   May 31 2005, 05:10 AM
cybersphinx   Lack of visibility is probably the main problem. I...   May 31 2005, 05:43 AM
jamesm   QUOTE(cybersphinx @ May 31 2005, 02:43 PM)Ano...   May 31 2005, 08:23 AM
dz   I wondered that as well. I think if the elsi was ...   May 31 2005, 05:48 AM
adrian   I think I'll take care of this, but it won...   May 31 2005, 05:53 AM
dz   Well, the main question is that if that was fixed,...   May 31 2005, 06:02 AM
gojira   QUOTE(dz @ Jun 1 2005, 01:02 AM)Just let us k...   Jun 8 2005, 05:37 PM
bluedevils   One is to get search engines to point elsi and not...   May 31 2005, 07:47 AM
dhns   QUOTE(bluedevils @ May 31 2005, 04:47 PM)I pe...   May 31 2005, 08:41 AM
craigtyson   Dosnt help that there are quite a few broken links...   May 31 2005, 08:41 AM
rjohnson1969   My problem is that the Zaurus software community h...   Jun 8 2005, 04:41 AM
Mickeyl   Personally, now that the amount of devices and dis...   Jun 8 2005, 05:13 AM
ken   QUOTE(dhns @ May 31 2005, 02:55 AM)Dear all, ...   Jun 8 2005, 06:26 PM
tumnus   My two points: 1) As others have said, the entry ...   Jun 11 2005, 03:29 PM
ken   I've been thinking, and just came to a realiza...   Jun 12 2005, 09:09 AM
dhns   QUOTE(ken @ Jun 12 2005, 06:09 PM)I've be...   Jun 14 2005, 01:04 AM
ken   QUOTE(dhns @ Jun 13 2005, 11:04 PM)Exactly...   Jun 14 2005, 08:20 AM
dz   QUOTE(dhns @ Jun 14 2005, 04:04 AM)That could...   Jun 14 2005, 09:48 AM
ken   QUOTE(dz @ Jun 14 2005, 07:48 AM)Heh, you don...   Jun 14 2005, 10:15 AM
koan   QUOTE(ken @ Jun 14 2005, 10:15 AM)Since most ...   Jun 15 2005, 08:23 AM
dhns   QUOTE(koan @ Jun 15 2005, 05:23 PM)QUOTE(ken ...   Jun 15 2005, 11:02 AM
ken   Can someone add another category in elsix? I...   Jun 14 2005, 11:28 PM
lardman   I use OZ exclusively therefore I don't really ...   Jun 15 2005, 01:59 PM
ken   QUOTE(lardman @ Jun 15 2005, 11:59 AM)I hate ...   Jun 15 2005, 05:01 PM
mscdex   I think a feeds category would be excellent as wel...   Aug 15 2005, 12:03 AM
chyang   Why IPs in china cannot connect to elsix.org? Any ...   Sep 10 2005, 01:25 AM
offroadgeek   QUOTE(chyang @ Sep 10 2005, 01:25 AM)Why IPs ...   Sep 10 2005, 07:22 PM

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