Roms On Tosa Options

[malik]

hello out there,

what do you use on a daily basis? make your choice...

[adf]

I use pdaXrom. That said, I should point out that neither my sharp cf cam
nor my ir keyboard work. Also, Guylhem qtopia 2.1 w/ softfloat rom isn't done yet
It will be interesting. Also, rc10 doesn't have a devkit or an on-board dev system afaik, so I expect improvements and additions to pdaX must be coming

[malik]

first i have to say that i am suprised that some tosa owners use oz 3.5.3.
maybe i have to give it another try..

@adf> i am also struggling with pdaXrom since two weeks. perhaps i will
flash back to the stock rom at the weekend.

my main problems with pdaXrom are:
1) suspend/resume and exiting X seems to work only every second time?!
2) from time to time panels and libs disappear...
3) time settings after reboots

maybe we can use this thread to discuss the pros and cons of the different roms.
feel free to correct me and add your own experiences:

i will start with the STOCK ROM and post something to pdaXrom later:

pros:
1) stable
2) a lot of applications available (packages for collie and clamshell models work
in the most cases)
3) good backup tool (no problem to test other roms and get back to the initial
state)

cons:
1) ugly, i mean really ugly
2) too slow for some applications (videos...)

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in combination with xqt + pocketworkstaion:

pros:
1) tons of applications of the debian project

cons:
1) no on the fly rotation

malik

[lpotter]

forgot one rom - Trolltech's qtopia 2.1

[BarryW]

forgot one rom - Trolltech's qtopia 2.1

That would be"other"!!

[adf]

first i have to say that i am suprised that some tosa owners use oz 3.5.3.
maybe i have to give it another try..

@adf> i am also struggling with pdaXrom since two weeks. perhaps i will
flash back to the stock rom at the weekend.

my main problems with pdaXrom are:
1) suspend/resume and exiting X seems to work only every second time?!
2) from time to time panels and libs disappear...
3) time settings after reboots

maybe we can use this thread to discuss the pros and cons of the different roms.
feel free to correct me and add your own experiences:

i will start with the STOCK ROM and post something to pdaXrom later:

pros:
1) stable
2) a lot of applications available (packages for collie and clamshell models work
in the most cases)
3) good backup tool (no problem to test other roms and get back to the initial
state)

cons:
1) ugly, i mean really ugly
2) too slow for some applications (videos...)

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in combination with xqt + pocketworkstaion:

pros:
1) tons of applications of the debian project

cons:
1)  no on the fly rotation

malik

I have only experienced the time issues on pdax... the suspend resume stuff has been more of a lighting issue that corrects itself wit a tap (for me)

on sharp (and other qtopias --guylhem & 2.1) kino2 does pretty well with video in my experience.

re debian: try installing the pocket workstatiofbvnc stuff as instructed on the pocketworkstation site.
use that primarily (rotates and is snappier and less resource hungry than xqt, ans SCALES on the fly too! -- but has heybord issues w/ guyhem's kernels) and use keypebble when in qtopia. keypebble is not as fast as xqt, though I like it. It gives you rotation,some scaling, etc..uses a lot less space and has other applications. If you do all this you can still use xqt.

XQT in opie **should** ( I haven't tested it ) be faster than xqt in sharp rom.


My main concern with pdaX is that it doesn't support my ir keyboard (will buy a usb folder) or my sharp cam (surely that can be managed? or i can comiple in support for a usb cam maybe??) and that I am not familiar with the sdk (my fault). as a nice aside, I just started beinfg able to view flash stuff in firefox (thanks to a zug thread)

Guylhem was making good progress on a 6k specific setup... that might bring new worthwhile stuff yet.

OZ.... I really like OZ in theory. Unfortunatley I've owned the 2 zs (5600 &600) that seem to do worst with it. The orange line thing on the 6k bugs me, among other things. Still.. an oz/opie xqt/fbvnc/keypebble/pocketworkstation setup could really rock and might be worth attempting.

Qtopia 2.1 is really very nice. If you want to use sharprom, but hate the ugliness and age of the thing it might very well be worth going here. I have heard rumors of hardware issues..but lpotter seems to get those fixed, making it worth keeping an eye on.

[lpotter]

Qtopia 2.1 is really very nice. If you want to use sharprom, but hate the ugliness and age of the thing it might very well be worth going here. I have heard rumors of hardware issues..but lpotter seems to get those fixed, making it worth keeping an eye on.

Tried the liquid theme? There's one at the feed there.

and what 'age' thing are you talking about? qtopia 2.1.1 is the most recent, whereas 1.5 on the Sharp roms are about 3 years old.

[adf]

I meant the sharprom being aged. the OZ guys got you touchy about your gcc?


New stuff... finally tried serious use of pdaX on my 6k w/ usb keyboard. Mapping is screwed. Major bummer.

[malik]

I have only experienced the time issues on pdax... the suspend resume stuff has been more of a lighting issue that corrects itself wit a tap (for me)

on sharp (and other qtopias --guylhem & 2.1) kino2 does pretty well with video in my experience.

re debian: try installing the pocket workstatiofbvnc stuff as instructed on the pocketworkstation site.
use that primarily (rotates and is snappier and less resource hungry than xqt, ans SCALES on the fly too! -- but has heybord issues w/ guyhem's kernels) and use keypebble when in qtopia. keypebble is not as fast as xqt, though I like it. It gives you rotation,some scaling, etc..uses a lot less space and has other applications. If you do all this you can still use xqt.

@adf> please tell me more about the suspend/resume stuff. how did you solved it?

maybe you are right with the video performance. i also forgot the fast kernel thing,
the beta version did not work for me ("f" key turns the light on and off). getting back
to sharp rom i will try it again.

concerning fbvnc: i tried it, but i dont like it...

@lpotter> please tell me more about it:-) i will search the forum for it. are there
downloadable flash/update images?

maybe this configuration would be the best for me:

sharp rom + qtopia 2.1 + fast kernel + xqt + pws + xfce4 :-)

thank you for your replies

malik

[malik]

okay, i downloaded the qtopia 2.1 stuff and will try it. i will try it at the weekend...

malik

[malik]

@adf> sorry, now i know what you mean and you are right, its a light issue.
i often change between xfce4 and matchbox. do you also have the problems
with (and after) exiting?

malik

[adf]

@adf> sorry, now i know what you mean and you are right, its a light issue.
i often change between xfce4 and matchbox. do you also have the problems
with (and after) exiting?

malik

Haven't started xfce yet.. waiting for chero to declare it "done"

re the keyboard.. if you don't use the hid module, and only use usbkbd.o it isn't so bad... just some missing punctuation

the cynical downside whiny rom list:
pdaX--peripherals mostly don't work, or require much screwing with
OZ --the screen is awful on the 6k, a lot of the apps don't actually work
sharp --old slow and ugly
guylhem1 --a better sharp-- faster, more space, a interesting bunch of keyboard fixes that help somethings abd greak others
Qtopia 2.1 -- persnickety package installation, default uses up most of the internal flash

every one of them represents some sort of compromise.

Ok. I got that out of my system. Every one of them besides sharp also represents a lot of hard work and insight, and all shows some distinct advantage over the original.
sharp is a nice illustration of corporate culture.

[malik]

@lpotter> i have to apologize, i recognized too late that its called "qtopia ROM".
i read the main thread. i will test it and get an idea of it...

@adf> the different roms are confusing me:-) on the other hand i think that there
will be soon some releases which will work much better.

concerning your ir-keyboard. no, i have no solution. i use a mini usb adapter and
an usb to ps/2 converter (both cheap). so i can plug in my normal keyboard at home...

concerning the xfce4 stuff: it is almost perfect. the great advantage is that you dont
need to do resize windows and that you can configure nearly everything. read the main
thread and download the stuff from the mirror site (zaurus spy). i think that chero works
on some further plugins, but you need only systray... on the other hand matchbox
with the corresponding icons is really beautiful. i like it also...

i think that i need X on my zaurus. and the idea to use the huge amount of debian
arm packages will get me probably back to the stock rom.

malik

[adf]

does your punctuation work? using a straight usb keyboard, I have no period, comma, colon or semi-colon... I'm sure there is more--but I gave up there.

I really like the idea of full debian, but:
you can run it from pdax (so I've read--I haven't tried it)
pdax makes the same apps so much smaller and faster......

[adf]

does your punctuation work?  using a straight usb keyboard, I have no period, comma, colon or semi-colon... I'm sure there is more--but I gave up there.

I really like the idea of full debian, but:
you can run it from pdax (so I've read--I haven't tried it)
pdax makes the same apps so much smaller and faster......

xfce look very good