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obscurite
post Aug 17 2005, 05:59 PM
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Well, maybe this will be a good resource for folks who want to try the new Zaurus support in the OpenBSD 3.7 arm port!

Thanks offroadgeek!

LINKS:
Project page - http://www.openbsd.org/zaurus.html
Install docs - ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/3.7/zaurus/INSTALL.zaurus

P.S. I had difficulty subscribing to the arm port mailing list via gmail. If anyone is already a member, please post a link to this forum on the mailing list. smile.gif
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terryleung83
post Aug 18 2005, 11:29 AM
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I want to ask if there is really anyone having openBSD on their Z..
if so, can those tell me if it is stable or not?
and it seems that the installation instructions are so complicated
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post Aug 26 2005, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(terryleung83 @ Aug 18 2005, 11:29 AM)
I want to ask if there is really anyone having openBSD on their Z..
if so, can those tell me if it is stable or not?
and it seems that the installation instructions are so complicated
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I installed 3.8 beta, and it is stable. No crashes so far. The installation instructions are indeed complicated and inacurate in places, but they make more sense once you installed successfully.
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post Aug 27 2005, 05:34 PM
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Good Day!

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        <SNIP>

The installation instructions are indeed complicated and inacurate in
places, but they make more sense once you installed successfully.


Can you point out areas/sections that are ambiguous and
inaccurate? I am helping out in editing INSTALL.zaurus[0]. The devs
are *very* much concerned about the documentation as much as the care
about security related bugs.



Mabuhay! barryg

[0]
ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapsho.../INSTALL.zaurus

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post Aug 29 2005, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(barryg @ Aug 27 2005, 05:34 PM)
Good Day!

QUOTE


        <SNIP>

The installation instructions are indeed complicated and inacurate in
places, but they make more sense once you installed successfully.


Can you point out areas/sections that are ambiguous and
inaccurate? I am helping out in editing INSTALL.zaurus[0]. The devs
are *very* much concerned about the documentation as much as the care
about security related bugs.



Mabuhay! barryg


[0]
ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapsho.../INSTALL.zaurus

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1) At the start, the installation procedure states that a DOS partitions can be used to install, but later claims that only fss and ext2 are supported.

2) The openbsd37_arm.ipk for 3.8 beta cannot be installed (either with the GUI or from the command line). Something to do with incorrect permissions while installing (I was root when I tried to install). The only technique which worked was to insmod the zbsdmod.o and running zboot.

3) rc.zboot script was not installed. I had to fetch it from the web and manually install it to get to the bsd boot prompt. This meant remounting the / directory to be writable and copying the file to the expected location.

4) The disk labeling process never stated that the a partition should be at the beginning of the A6 partition. I created the b partition first which prevented bsd from booting (the machine failed to boot with a very obscure error message).

5) Right in the midle of the installation instructions, there is a reference to running newfs to intialize a new dos file system (and shrinking the existing dos partition). This makes no sense to a user who never ran bsd before. The majority of existing Z users are Linux users.

6) The recovery procedure (what to do to restore a corrupted system) should be moved to the end of the instructions (in a separate section). Right now, it is right in the midle of the installation procedure, causing the user to wonder about what to do if recovery is not needed.

There are many other possible variations to the install, I only went through one of them.
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post Aug 29 2005, 06:40 PM
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Good Day!

Thanks for the comments.

QUOTE
1) At the start, the installation procedure states that a DOS partitions
can be used to install, but later claims that only fss and ext2 are
supported.

Found, submitted a diff upstream. Thanks.

QUOTE
2) The openbsd37_arm.ipk for 3.8 beta cannot be installed (either with
the GUI or from the command line). Something to do with incorrect
permissions while installing (I was root when I tried to install). The
only technique which worked was to insmod the zbsdmod.o and running
zboot.

What is the *exact* date of the 3.8 you installed? I installed almost
all the snapshots released and had not encountered this issue.

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3) rc.zboot script was not installed. I had to fetch it from the web and
manually install it to get to the bsd boot prompt. This meant remounting
the / directory to be writable and copying the file to the expected
location.

This should have been taken care of by the ipkg.

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4) The disk labeling process never stated that the a partition should be
at the beginning of the A6 partition. I created the b partition first
which prevented bsd from booting (the machine failed to boot with a very
obscure error message).

Not explicitly yes, but INSTALL.zaurus did state this:

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Next the disk label which defines the layout of the OpenBSD file systems
must be set up.  The installation script will invoke an interactive
editor allowing you to do this.  Note that partition 'c' inside this
disk label should ALWAYS reflect the entire disk, including any
non-OpenBSD portions.  If you are labeling a new disk, you will probably
start out with an 'a' partition that spans the disk.  In this case you
should delete 'a' before adding new partitions.  The root file system
should be in partition 'a', and swap is usually in partition 'b'.  If
you have Linux partitions defined on the disk, these will usually show
up as partition 'h', 'i' and so on.
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5) Right in the midle of the installation instructions, there is a
reference to running newfs to intialize a new dos file system (and
shrinking the existing dos partition). This makes no sense to a user who
never ran bsd before. The majority of existing Z users are Linux users.


[flamegear engagage]
OpenBSD installation assumes that the reader has thourouly done their
homework *before* installing it. Meaning the audience has already read
and reread the installation documentation, browsed through the openbsd
faq[] for general queries, read though the archives other user
experiences and notes.

OpenBSD was never designed for the majority of linux users and PDA
market in general. It is mainly a product of geeks that enjoy creating
secure code and systems. Hence its appeal usually is strong on the
systems and network administrator types as well as the developer people.
It is *not* aimed at mass market. (This is harsh to a geek exposed
mainly to linux environment but that is reality, browse a few months
worth of the openbsd-misc mailing list).
[/flamegear disengage] ;)


QUOTE
6) The recovery procedure (what to do to restore a corrupted system)
should be moved to the end of the instructions (in a separate section).
Right now, it is right in the midle of the installation procedure,
causing the user to wonder about what to do if recovery is not needed.


Early OpenBSD users and developers ran onto this issue, hence its
prominence.

Again, thanks for the comments.

Mabuhay! barryg

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obscurite   Welcome To The Zaurus Openbsd Forum!   Aug 17 2005, 05:59 PM
barryg   Good day! Since next the OpenBSD release is n...   Aug 17 2005, 10:31 PM
mscdex   QUOTE(barryg @ Aug 18 2005, 02:31 AM)Good day...   Aug 18 2005, 12:29 PM
obscurite   QUOTE(mscdex @ Aug 18 2005, 03:29 PM)Judging ...   Aug 18 2005, 02:34 PM
obscurite   QUOTE(barryg @ Aug 18 2005, 01:31 AM)Addition...   Aug 20 2005, 08:40 AM
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obscurite   QUOTE(barryg @ Aug 21 2005, 10:02 PM)For port...   Aug 21 2005, 08:37 PM
barryg   Good day! QUOTE(obscurite @ Aug 22 2005,...   Aug 21 2005, 09:28 PM
terryleung83   I want to ask if there is really anyone having ope...   Aug 18 2005, 11:29 AM
asm-nai   QUOTE(terryleung83 @ Aug 19 2005, 04:29 AM)I ...   Aug 19 2005, 04:05 AM
plarusa   QUOTE(terryleung83 @ Aug 18 2005, 11:29 AM)I ...   Aug 26 2005, 09:11 PM
barryg   Good Day! QUOTE        ...   Aug 27 2005, 05:34 PM
plarusa   QUOTE(barryg @ Aug 27 2005, 05:34 PM)Good Day...   Aug 29 2005, 10:23 AM
barryg   Good Day! Thanks for the comments. QUOTE1) A...   Aug 29 2005, 06:40 PM
maldoror   Barry has it 100% right. OpenBSD is by geeks for ...   Oct 11 2005, 09:10 AM
Cyril92   Is it possible to see (impressive) screenshots ? ...   Aug 19 2005, 06:59 AM
asm-nai   QUOTE(Cyril92 @ Aug 19 2005, 11:59 PM)Is it p...   Aug 19 2005, 05:17 PM
terryleung83   WA! It rocks! Another thing I want to kno...   Aug 20 2005, 04:16 PM
barryg   Good day! For X11 apps, tolerable. I have x...   Aug 21 2005, 07:22 PM
agosine   This looks very impressive. How does it compare t...   Aug 23 2005, 07:34 AM
barryg   Good Day! QUOTEThis looks very impressive....   Aug 24 2005, 06:43 PM
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aint   Hi there! Can someone tell me if development f...   Aug 23 2005, 12:43 PM
wormwood   Got the 3000 running OpenBSD . The port is still...   Aug 28 2005, 05:58 PM
darkloran   Hello, i've owned a sl-c3000 for almost 1 y...   Oct 14 2005, 12:43 AM
wortwechsel   hello folks, openbsd on the zaurus is really a gre...   Nov 30 2005, 06:40 PM
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