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malik
post Jan 3 2006, 05:25 AM
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hello out there,


i read about users who wanted to sell their tosa, others bought a 2nd
zaurus and again others flash frequently from rom to rom. some time ago
i also had the idea to change the zaurus model. there must be reasons for
that and i think its not the hardware aspect of this device.

the aim of this thread should be to share your thoughts and experiences
on the different roms. it can also be useful for others who want to test
a different rom. what do you like, what do you hate? what works, what doesnt?

i will start with my opinion on the different roms. some of them i used for
several months, some only for several hours. but maybe others will write more
on the roms, i only tested.

before i start, i should mention for what i use my zaurus most of the time:
reading news with opiereader, pim (kopi), latex, wikipedia with zbedic,
from time to time mp3s and ebooks...


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SHARPROM
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for the moment it seems to be the best choice for me. i used it for the
most of the time, but nevertheless my report is short.

installed/working applications (besides usual ones): tex/dviviewer,
usb keyboard (also usb mouse, but i dont use it), xqt/pocketworkstation,
giant icons on root

todo: maybe i will replace the default fonts and update opera

pros: stability, browser opera, wlan out of box

cons: no progress, no development --> no future ?!



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PDAXROM
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i used (maybe i should write tested) it for nearly 3 months with ups and downs.
in the end i had the feeling that i dont use this rom on a daily basis, i was
spending a lot of time in getting things to work. i had problems with
suspend/resume and in some cases only taking off the battery helped.

this was more than 6 months ago. now i tried 1.1 beta out and i was suprised
but in the negative. it took me 10 minutes to flash back as everything
i tried out went wrong: i started scite and dillo, minimized it,
then i recognized that the time was wrong. setting the time resulted in turning
off the backlight and killing the minimized applications?! i added a rotation
applet on the taskbar. but i was not able to rotate back. suspending confuses
me as the backlight is turned off for more than one second and then the device
does that what it should do.

all this sounds bad, but it is nothing serious. i know that a lot of tosa users
use this rom, so it has to be good. and be sure that i will give it another try,
maybe using a different wm than matchbox.

pros: great, active community and communication. very nice rom with all the
advantages of X application. the idea of running the same wm on my linux box
(kde) and my zaurus is somehow cool.
cons: see above. maybe the speed of the tosa (and the rom) is not sufficient
enough to run big applications like kde.


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OPENZAURUS
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oz was the reason getting me a linux pda instead of a pocket pc. i owned a
collie running hentges rom and everything was fine, ii was also running
sharp applications under opie with compat libs.

pros: very structured development with higher aims (i dont know if this is
a really pro in view of the users). upcoming kernel 2.6, but unfortunately
the tosa device does not play a main role for natural reasons.
ability to run a lot of applications, those of the sharprom world with opie
and compat libs and also X applications with gpe. the dual boot idea is
also very good.

cons: there are some bugs in oz 3.5.4 rc1, which hold me back on jumping on
this train, in the first place the line drawing bug, sound problems with opie,
missing keys. the bad thing in my opinion is that all the mentioned bugs are
not new and are well known from previous releases.
i dislike the feed structure of oz. net, network, networking, this confuses me,
a directory named e and a lot of ones with only one package, hundreds of
"locales". maybe it doesnt matter for those who use ipkg from the console,
but if you want to use the package manager it matters..


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GUYLHEMROM
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a kind of "one man show". i tried it in the beginning and had the feeling
that this rom was more or less a personal nand backup, a kind of snapshot.
i also tried the fast kernel thing getting me crazy as the "f" key turned
the light on and off. natural consequence: i avoided this rom for months.
now i tried rc4 and i was suprised. i like the boot screen (no confusing
warnings as before). a lot of things changed.

pros: the exact battery applet, nice fonts. the idea of getting the existing
rom more usable. guylhem used nicer fonts, why not use nicer icons?

cons: i removed a lot of applications and installed some others, but i was
not able to remove the corresponding icons or to move them between
the categories with the help of the launcher. restarting opie and rebooting
didnt changed anything except the touchscreen was not responding (maybe i
removed the wrong applications).
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nevarrie
post Mar 6 2006, 11:35 AM
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I am starting to play with running pdaxrom with enlightenment17.



I currently have USB networking so that I can uses x11vnc to control the 6k while it is in the cradle.

KOPI has imported my ics file so I have access to my currect calender. The lack of Pi-sync bothers me a little both as of e17 ont he z I so far find it very nice and responsive.

The screen rotate button int he ibar works great. I was not able to get matchbox to rotate the 6k(at least I coudl nto find how).

The escreenshow module does not work.

Teh battery meter shows 100, 75, 50 , 25 but also show how many minutes it believe I still have left. I am not sure how accurate it issince I have nto been timing it.

Suspend works from teh power button. Every time so far this weekend it has returned without a problem but I currently have everythign installed locally and not on a cf or sd card.

I am currently still trying to get Wifi working.

I hope to get wifi working in the next couple of days.

Just though I would put inthat info about using pdaxrom on the 6k...
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egg8178
post Mar 6 2006, 08:25 PM
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Nevarrie,
It would be really nice if you could share your experience in using pdaxrom on the 6k, esp the wifi part, thank you, and i understand that we can actually dual boot the pdaxrom from sd so to keep the stock in internal flash?

can someone point out the + and - of doing so?

p/s: it's really been quiet around here (6k) and i really envy all the attention others (3k, 1k) have.. unsure.gif

QUOTE(nevarrie @ Mar 6 2006, 01:35 PM)
I am starting to play with running pdaxrom with enlightenment17.



I currently have USB networking so that I can uses x11vnc to control the 6k while it is in the cradle. 

KOPI has imported my ics file so I have access to my currect calender.  The lack of Pi-sync bothers me a little both as of e17 ont he z I so far find it very nice and responsive. 

The screen rotate button int he ibar works great.  I was not able to get matchbox to rotate the 6k(at least I coudl nto find how).

The escreenshow module does not work.

Teh battery meter shows 100, 75, 50 , 25 but also show how many minutes it believe I still have left.  I am not sure how accurate it issince I have nto been timing it.

Suspend works from teh power button.  Every time so far this weekend it has returned without a problem but I currently have everythign installed locally and not on a cf or sd card.

I am currently still trying to get Wifi working.

I hope to get wifi working in the next couple of days.

Just though I would put inthat info about using pdaxrom on the 6k...
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enlightened_j
post May 16 2006, 02:15 PM
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e17 on Zaurus 6000 looks pretty sweet!!

I got my Zaurus back in 2004. I used OpenZaurus for about a year until one day that I decided that the orange line really annoys me and switched to PDAX rom.

I run PDAX rom as my daily rom now. I primarily uses fluxbox, Firefox, Minimo (scaled down version of FireFox) , AbiWord, mplayer, xmms, and qbedict.
Here are some of my experiences from PDAX rom.

Firefox: Takes roughly a minute to load, once loaded it works great.

Minimo: Runs great, tries to render everything so that you don't have to scroll horizontally. But its effort sometimes actually screws up the page. It's kind of buggy.

Abiword: I use it to take notes when I am reading.

Qbedict: I use it to look up words I don't know when I am reading. It's usually run in conjunction with Abiword in different "workspace" of Fluxbox.

mplayer: I used mplayer to watch re-encoded xvid movies when I need to take flights. No complains here. I also use it to play online streamed NPR.

xmms: Works great.

I pretty much use PDAXrom as a scale down version of Linux PC and NOT a pda. This factor alone makes the transition to PDAXrom worth it. The only draw back I have with PDAX rom is that there's not much development for Zaurus 6000. I personally wish I have more time to do some development on it, but just don't have time.
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post May 16 2006, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(enlightened_j @ May 16 2006, 10:15 PM)
e17 on Zaurus 6000 looks pretty sweet!!

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I run PDAX rom as my daily rom now.
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How's the overall speed of pdaxrom compared to a ROM like Sharp or OZ?

Can you play movies fullscreen using mplayer in pdaxrom, or does it suffer from the same video acceleration issues as the other ROMs?

Is there any good PIM software, or does the K/Pi suite work just as well?

What's the deal with WiFi and Bluetooth? Is the reconition of the 6000's built-in WiFi flaky? Is Bluetooth working as good as or better than the Sharp-based ROMs?

I'd really appreciate it if you could answer all those. I'm dying to ditch the Sharp ROM for something as beautiful as E17, but stability, speed and hardware integration have kept me from pdaxrom so far.
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post May 17 2006, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(eji @ May 17 2006, 05:37 AM)
How's the overall speed of pdaxrom compared to a ROM like Sharp or OZ?

Can you play movies fullscreen using mplayer in pdaxrom, or does it suffer from the same video acceleration issues as the other ROMs?

Is there any good PIM software, or does the K/Pi suite work just as well?

What's the deal with WiFi and Bluetooth? Is the reconition of the 6000's built-in WiFi flaky? Is Bluetooth working as good as or better than the Sharp-based ROMs?

I'd really appreciate it if you could answer all those. I'm dying to ditch the Sharp ROM for something as beautiful as E17, but stability, speed and hardware integration have kept me from pdaxrom so far.
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I am no sure what was the acceleration issues in other ROMS. My experience with Open Zaurus and PDAX ROM is that if a movie is re-encoded to 320x240 with 15 fps, it can be play full screen without dropping any frame and audio/video out of sync. There is a program I found in OESF forum that I use to re-encode my XVID movies for Zaurus. I can lookup the name of program later tonight when I get home.

I have the PIM software installed, but never really used it much. So I can't really help you on that.

Wifi works ok, but I use a script instead of the GUI. I couldn't get the Wifi GUI to work. My Zaurus is without Bluetooth; can't give you any pointer on that.

I forget to mention few other programs I use frequently on PDAX rom in my last post:

GAIM: I consistently log onto msn and yahoo messenger to take a look on who's online. Witout an external keyboard, it's hard to carry out conversations on Zaurus.

KPHONE: I use KPHONE to dial toll free number for internation calling cards during the day when my cell phone minutes are low. Some phone card does not recognize the DTMF send by KPHONE, overall experience is still positive though. Voice call through SIP woks decently well.

xvncview and server: I find xvncviewer less useful when connect to a Windows vnc server, but it works well with Linux vnc server if you set the resolution usable for Zaurus. xvnc server works pretty well. I use it pretty often when I am at home on my real computer.

xpdf: I rarely use it unless, but the times I used it to read pdf e-books, it works fine.

Here is my conclusion for PDAX rom:

I think it's a pretty decent ROM. It requires some tweaking and getting use to when first used. I think the first thing you need to do AFTER installing PDAX rom is to get the libstdc++ library. I am not sure if it's the case anymore.

I love the customisibility and versatility it gives me at the expense of some learning curve. If you have some experience with desktop Linux I would highly recommend giving PDAX rom a try if and only if you have some free time.
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malik   Rom Discussion On Tosa   Jan 3 2006, 05:25 AM
DrWowe   I switch between pdaXrom (the newest beta version ...   Jan 3 2006, 06:11 AM
loc4me   QUOTE(DrWowe @ Jan 3 2006, 09:11 AM)I switch ...   Jan 3 2006, 09:40 AM
DrWowe   QUOTE(DrWowe @ Jan 3 2006, 08:11 AM)I'm t...   Jan 4 2006, 08:00 PM
loc4me   QUOTE(DrWowe @ Jan 4 2006, 11:00 PM)QUOTE(DrW...   Jan 4 2006, 08:51 PM
speculatrix   QUOTE(DrWowe @ Jan 3 2006, 08:11 AM)Any ideas...   Jan 5 2006, 03:56 AM
malik   QUOTE(DrWowe @ Jan 5 2006, 04:00 AM)Just an u...   Jan 5 2006, 04:22 AM
lardman   QUOTEcons: there are some bugs in oz 3.5.4 rc1, wh...   Jan 3 2006, 10:34 AM
speculatrix   as I understood it, Guylhem ROM for 6000 was a wor...   Jan 3 2006, 12:36 PM
malik   @drwowe> sure, i am very interested in the guyl...   Jan 4 2006, 05:20 AM
lardman   QUOTEthe sound problem only appeared in opieplayer...   Jan 4 2006, 09:33 AM
Zal42   I've tried each of the ROMs for the 6000, and ...   Jan 4 2006, 10:26 AM
jbruno   I use pdaXrom, rc12 version. AFAIK, the only thin...   Jan 4 2006, 10:38 AM
LeTic   I agree with Malik, maybe you could agree with the...   Jan 5 2006, 05:06 AM
xjqian   Looking forward to the Guylhem + Cacko.   Jan 14 2006, 10:21 AM
johnw   I would love a better ROM than the Sharp ROM, and ...   Jan 27 2006, 08:36 PM
speculatrix   any news on CG6000 rom?   Feb 22 2006, 02:18 PM
eji   I've actually been relatively content with the...   Feb 22 2006, 11:51 PM
adf   any imporvements on oz on the 6k?   Feb 23 2006, 05:16 PM
koen   QUOTE(adf @ Feb 24 2006, 01:16 AM)any imporve...   Feb 24 2006, 03:23 AM
ken   QUOTE(eji @ Feb 22 2006, 09:51 PM)One thing I...   Mar 6 2006, 01:13 AM
coolass   Is there any other Rom for the sl-6000 that will a...   Mar 3 2006, 11:19 AM
koen   QUOTE(coolass @ Mar 3 2006, 07:19 PM)Is there...   Mar 3 2006, 12:27 PM
adf   QUOTE(koen @ Mar 3 2006, 08:27 PM)QUOTE(coola...   Mar 5 2006, 11:51 PM
koen   QUOTE(adf @ Mar 6 2006, 07:51 AM)QUOTE(koen ...   Mar 6 2006, 01:25 AM
adf   QUOTE(koen @ Mar 6 2006, 09:25 AM)QUOTE(adf ...   Mar 6 2006, 01:39 PM
trichmon   Does OZ support wake on alarms yet? I mean does...   Mar 6 2006, 08:44 AM
nevarrie   I am starting to play with running pdaxrom with en...   Mar 6 2006, 11:35 AM
egg8178   Nevarrie, It would be really nice if you could sha...   Mar 6 2006, 08:25 PM
enlightened_j   e17 on Zaurus 6000 looks pretty sweet!! I...   May 16 2006, 02:15 PM
eji   QUOTE(enlightened_j @ May 16 2006, 10:15 PM)e...   May 16 2006, 09:37 PM
enlightened_j   QUOTE(eji @ May 17 2006, 05:37 AM)How's t...   May 17 2006, 01:51 PM
trichmon   QUOTE(enlightened_j @ May 17 2006, 01:51 PM)Q...   May 18 2006, 10:34 PM
enlightened_j   QUOTE(trichmon @ May 19 2006, 06:34 AM)I see ...   May 24 2006, 03:01 PM
nevarrie   QUOTE(egg8178 @ Mar 6 2006, 10:25 PM)Nevarrie...   May 17 2006, 12:02 PM
Hrw   nevarie: try wlan-ng 0.2.1-pre26 - they should wor...   Mar 6 2006, 01:48 PM
trichmon   Its been awhile since this thread was started and ...   Jun 13 2006, 02:26 PM
adf   QUOTE(trichmon @ Jun 13 2006, 10:26 PM)Its be...   Jun 13 2006, 05:13 PM
trichmon   adf, Im currently using the tetsu kernel that you...   Jun 13 2006, 07:01 PM
malik   thanx for the discussion on the tetsu kernel :-) i...   Jun 19 2006, 01:09 AM
trichmon   I have noticed that as well. Im not sure what the...   Jun 19 2006, 07:12 AM
malik   QUOTE(trichmon @ Jun 19 2006, 03:12 PM)I have...   Jun 20 2006, 12:14 AM
malik   according to the table at the end of tetsu's h...   Jul 10 2006, 01:08 AM
adf   [atm I'm running sharp/tetsu/pocketworkstation...   Jul 10 2006, 01:27 AM
ken   QUOTE(adf @ Jul 9 2006, 11:27 PM)[atm I'm...   Jul 10 2006, 01:44 AM
adf   kernel upgrade from tetsu tesu.homelinux.org modu...   Jul 10 2006, 02:08 AM
xjqian   I flashed to pdaXrom 1.1.0beta1 today. However, st...   Aug 7 2006, 12:24 AM
miskinis   QUOTE(xjqian @ Aug 7 2006, 04:24 AM)I flashed...   Aug 7 2006, 03:03 AM
nevarrie   QUOTE(xjqian @ Aug 7 2006, 02:24 AM)I flashed...   Aug 7 2006, 01:59 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(nevarrie @ Aug 7 2006, 04:59 PM)I uses ...   Aug 7 2006, 07:07 PM
miskinis   Hmm, I can't say for 100% sure, but I think so...   Aug 8 2006, 01:54 AM
nevarrie   I forgot abou the fact that I set my root partitio...   Aug 8 2006, 10:22 AM
xjqian   thanks miskinis and nevarrie, out-of-space during ...   Aug 8 2006, 11:59 PM
xjqian   searched over all places but still have no clue ho...   Aug 9 2006, 01:26 AM
nevarrie   QUOTE(xjqian @ Aug 9 2006, 03:26 AM)searched ...   Aug 9 2006, 09:31 AM
miskinis   Look for a pointer to the "6000 tutorial...   Aug 14 2006, 02:24 PM
adf   you know... I was thinkiing about this 6000 wirele...   Aug 14 2006, 06:15 PM
xjqian   pdaXrom experiences after a week: +++ wifi problem...   Aug 17 2006, 12:31 AM
malik   @xjqian: concerning the rotation on pdaxrom: the f...   Aug 17 2006, 02:19 AM
xjqian   Thanks manik, I was able to fix the screen rotatio...   Aug 26 2006, 04:36 AM
coolass   Is there any other rom with wifi working out of th...   Aug 18 2006, 08:09 AM
nevarrie   QUOTE(coolass @ Aug 18 2006, 10:09 AM)Is ther...   Aug 18 2006, 01:01 PM
speculatrix   the latest OZ 3.5.4.2-rc2 is pretty good, I reflas...   Oct 6 2006, 07:47 AM
adf   QUOTE(speculatrix @ Oct 6 2006, 03:47 PM)the ...   Oct 6 2006, 08:56 AM
speculatrix   there is a way using compatibility libraries to in...   Oct 6 2006, 01:42 PM
adf   ok..dl'd OZ 3.5.4 (newest I could find for tos...   Nov 12 2006, 01:32 AM
koen   QUOTE(adf @ Nov 12 2006, 09:32 AM)ok..dl...   Nov 12 2006, 01:37 AM
adf   figures.... the image I'm looking for minutes ...   Nov 12 2006, 01:43 AM
adf   nice splash screen snappy-faster than i remembered...   Nov 12 2006, 02:02 AM
koen   QUOTE(adf @ Nov 12 2006, 10:02 AM)nice splash...   Nov 12 2006, 02:46 AM
adf   QUOTE(koen @ Nov 12 2006, 10:46 AM)QUOTE(adf ...   Nov 12 2006, 02:28 PM
adf   IT mounted my 4 gig sd!! formatted it and...   Nov 12 2006, 03:14 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(adf @ Nov 12 2006, 06:14 PM)IT mounted ...   Nov 12 2006, 09:32 PM
adf   QUOTE(xjqian @ Nov 13 2006, 05:32 AM)QUOTE(ad...   Nov 12 2006, 11:30 PM
adf   Ok. 3.5.2 is really nice on the 6k so far. Even th...   Nov 13 2006, 09:46 AM
koen   QUOTE(adf @ Nov 13 2006, 05:46 PM)The next qu...   Nov 13 2006, 12:20 PM
adf   QUOTE(koen @ Nov 13 2006, 08:20 PM)QUOTE(adf ...   Nov 17 2006, 07:21 PM
adf   Opie works nicely. The wireless stuff is working f...   Dec 2 2006, 02:09 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(adf @ Nov 13 2006, 02:30 AM)BUt pdaXrom...   Nov 14 2006, 06:40 PM
munch   Had a question on firefox on pocketworkstation , i...   Dec 4 2006, 08:52 AM
adf   thats enough swap. have you tried meanies" XQ...   Dec 4 2006, 06:41 PM
munch   QUOTE(adf @ Dec 4 2006, 06:41 PM)thats enough...   Dec 5 2006, 09:52 AM
adf   It should. It seems to work pretty well from what...   Dec 5 2006, 10:35 AM
xjqian   QUOTE(adf @ Nov 12 2006, 06:14 PM)IT mounted ...   Jan 17 2007, 07:30 AM
sdjf   That must be specific to your ROM? My vfat SD car...   Aug 3 2008, 02:57 PM
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