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> What Sharp, Nokia Or Samsung Should Be Making, Concept for the ultimate handheld!
diJenerate
post May 4 2006, 04:45 AM
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Hi all,
I dunno if this is the right forum for this post but I made this on the Nokia 770 forum and I thought I'd post here to get an idea of the thoughts of others on what their dream machine would be.

We can start with the Nexio XP30 by Samsung, since this is what I used as a reference in the original post. For those unfamiliar, it was one of the units Nokia had looked at for inspiration when designing the 770. It has similar architecture to the Zaurus line and could be a good direction for Sharp to go in for some aspects of the Zaurus' design - specifically, the integrated wireless, WVGA display at 5-inches etc.

With that said, if I had to improve on the Nexio design as a base for a future linux based .arm handheld, this is what I would do:

-Change to a Intel PXA270 at 300MHz (for best balance between longer battery life and decent performance)
-Include 16GB internal Flash (I should be getting that from Samsung for that price anyway. NAND flash is dirt cheap now compared to two years ago, you just wouldn't think that with the prices we pay at the store.)
-256MB DDR DRAM
-Same size and form factor and screen size and resolution
-Built-in BT2.0+EDR
-Built-in 802.11b/g
-Improve the screen so it can be read outdoors (the current screen is horrible)
-Internal 3000mAh battery and 8800mAh external battery
-USB 2.0 Host (an upgrade from the USB1.1 Host)
-Apart from the CF slot, an SD I/O slot
-Discard the PCMCIA adapter support noone needs it.
-Built-in 3MP camera
-Standard 3.5mm stereo headphone jack rather than the 2.5mm crap it has currently
-Keep the built-in mic and speaker
-Keep VGA out
-Change the the Framebuffer chipset from the Epson (awful graphics) to the nVidia goForce 5500 with an 8MB Video memory or Intel 2700G with 16MB Video memory
-Run linux on it, (Maemo, OpenEmbedded...)


Of course if this was done using the Zaurus C1000 as a base it would be:

-Keep that PXA270 @ 416MHz
-Include 16GB of internal NAND FLASH... (spinning HDDs are still a bad idea in a mobile device)
-256MB DDR SDRAM
-Same size and form factor with keyboard as usual but change to a 4-inch+ WVGA display (like the Nokia 770's). It can be done in the same form factor (my photoshop edited image attached illustrates Sharp's waste of valuable real-estate in the display area)
-Integrated 802.11b/g and Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
-Internal 4000mAH battery
-USB 2.0 Host (an upgrade from the USB1.1 Host) with mini-A connector
-SD I/O support
-Integrated 3MP camera
-Built-in Mic and Speaker
-VGA out
-Change the the Framebuffer chipset from the Epson (awful graphics) to the nVidia goForce 5500 with an 8MB Video memory or Intel 2700G with 16MB Video memory.

Wow! fewer changes with the Zaurus... hmmm.


Of course we all know Sharp's and Samsung's engineers don't care what the west has to say and they won't even ever look at this post, but if Nokia's engineers were to build the above described monster... (hint, hint wink.gif ).

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post May 7 2006, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(diJenerate @ May 4 2006, 07:45 AM)
Hi all,
I dunno if this is the right forum for this post but I made this on the Nokia 770 forum and I thought I'd post here to get an idea of the thoughts of others on what their dream machine would be.

We can start with the Nexio XP30 by Samsung, since this is what I used as a reference in the original post. For those unfamiliar, it was one of the units Nokia had looked at for inspiration when designing the 770. It has similar architecture to the Zaurus line and could be a good direction for Sharp to go in for some aspects of the Zaurus' design - specifically, the integrated wireless, WVGA display at 5-inches etc.

With that said, if I had to improve on the Nexio design as a base for a future linux based .arm handheld, this is what I would do:

-Change to a Intel PXA270 at 300MHz (for best balance between longer battery life and decent performance)
-Include 16GB internal Flash (I should be getting that from Samsung for that price anyway. NAND flash is dirt cheap now compared to two years ago, you just wouldn't think that with the prices we pay at the store.)
-256MB DDR DRAM
-Same size and form factor and screen size and resolution
-Built-in BT2.0+EDR
-Built-in 802.11b/g
-Improve the screen so it can be read outdoors (the current screen is horrible)
-Internal 3000mAh battery and 8800mAh external battery
-USB 2.0 Host (an upgrade from the USB1.1 Host)
-Apart from the CF slot, an SD I/O slot
-Discard the PCMCIA adapter support noone needs it.
-Built-in 3MP camera
-Standard 3.5mm stereo headphone jack rather than the 2.5mm crap it has currently
-Keep the built-in mic and speaker
-Keep VGA out
-Change the the Framebuffer chipset from the Epson (awful graphics) to the nVidia goForce 5500 with an 8MB Video memory or Intel 2700G with 16MB Video memory
-Run linux on it, (Maemo, OpenEmbedded...)


Of course if this was done using the Zaurus C1000 as a base it would be:

-Keep that PXA270 @ 416MHz
-Include 16GB of internal NAND FLASH... (spinning HDDs are still a bad idea in a mobile device)
-256MB DDR SDRAM
-Same size and form factor with keyboard as usual but change to a 4-inch+ WVGA display (like the Nokia 770's). It  can be done in the same form factor (my photoshop edited image attached illustrates Sharp's waste of valuable real-estate in the display area)
-Integrated 802.11b/g and Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
-Internal 4000mAH battery
-USB 2.0 Host (an upgrade from the USB1.1 Host) with mini-A connector
-SD I/O support
-Integrated 3MP camera
-Built-in Mic and Speaker
-VGA out
-Change the the Framebuffer chipset from the Epson (awful graphics) to the nVidia goForce 5500 with an 8MB Video memory or Intel 2700G with 16MB Video memory.

Wow! fewer changes with the Zaurus... hmmm.


Of course we all know Sharp's and Samsung's engineers don't care what the west has to say and they won't even ever look at this post, but if Nokia's engineers were to build the above described monster... (hint, hint wink.gif ).

diJenerate
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That thing would cost WAY more than it was worth. 3MP camera? 4000mAh battery? 256MB of DDR RAM?! SIXTEEN GIGS OF NAND? A GoForce5500?!?! (Yes, I know that's the one for embedded devices) Dude, are you HIGH? lol. You just described a $1000 machine, EASY. Nokia, Sharp, and everyone else know no one would pay that much for a machine they couldn't run Windows or OSX on.
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post May 12 2006, 07:19 PM
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What you are describing exists allredy, it's called oqo (http://www.oqo.com/)
I wonder if you could eventualy put linux and get rid of tha ugly os it comes with.
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post May 13 2006, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE(samot @ May 12 2006, 10:19 PM)
What you are describing exists allredy, it's called oqo (http://www.oqo.com/)
I wonder if you could eventualy put linux and get rid of tha ugly os it comes with.
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OQO has stated that there is no reason you couldn't put Linux on it. The problem is that Linux has terrible tablet support.
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post May 13 2006, 11:52 PM
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not only that, it gets hot, lowsy battery life.
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post May 15 2006, 07:39 AM
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If it's going to add significantly to the cost then I wouldn't want:

- 256MB RAM; it's going to use more power, unless you can dynamically switch them on/off in say 64MB banks

- Integrated 3MP camera; unless it's really decent with optical zoom etc I would rather use a dedicated camera

- nVidia goForce 5500 with an 8MB Video memory or Intel 2700G with 16MB Video memory; why? If I want to play games a PSP would be a far better choice (sensibly laid out controls, decent games).


Practically, all I want is increased battery life. The 3100 + pdaXrom does everything that I need in a laptop/notebook/palmtop/pda. If only I could get several weeks of everyday use (3-4 hours) between charges that would be great.

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post Dec 8 2006, 10:21 AM
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Ok,
maybe several months later and after seeing the error in my ways, I would settle for a C1000-like device with 16GB Flash, AMD's Geode LX800 (yes time to change platform, everyone is focused on x86 now) and Wifi, Bluetooth, 512MB RAM, OE for x86, and 5.6-inch 1024x600 LCD (ala Panasonic Wordgear but touch sensitive). Throw in a bit of Wireless USB, 8+ hours of battery life, keep the CF slot and I'm sold!

Is this still too much to ask?

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post Dec 8 2006, 05:20 PM
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I would agree that more battery would be all I really need. Also I like the fact that I
can't bring windows anywhere near my Z.


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diJenerate
post Feb 19 2007, 05:46 AM
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Okie, I like the comments of the obvious visionaries here.

Now reduce the NAND flash and camera... a bit what do we have here?

Of course Sharp goes off, kills the Zaurus line and makes this on that ridiculous code-farce called Ms WM...

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