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chiark
post Sep 26 2006, 01:26 PM
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Wow, this has really captured my imagination biggrin.gif !

For me, the zaurus is too small for comfortable use, both in terms of screen and in terms of the keyboard.

Perhaps I'm too old, but for me the sweet spot of form factor usability vs portability is in the shape of the Psion Series 5, and the Sigmarion 3.

The psion's keyboard is great, the screen is adequate if a weird shape...

The sig3 runs an 800x480 screen with a very, very capable keyboard. If it ran Linux, well, it'd be *awesome*.

I'd love the screen real estate and keyboard size of the old devices with modern hardware. Am I alone in thinking that that is about the right form factor for such a device? We're not going for PDA replacement after all, but general purpose pervasive computing platform biggrin.gif
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Ragnorok
post Dec 6 2006, 05:33 PM
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- I do often set Hiro down, but not always. Now, for instance, I'm sick in bed, and using the keyboard like a thumb board. I'm holding the unit with my left hand and typing with my left thumb and right middle finger, with the stylus between my first and second fingers ready for tapping. I can easily reach the G key with my left thumb, and I have small hands for a guy. If the F key were where the G key is now, the entire keyboard could be made slightly wider, with larger keys, and it would be equally usable in this manner. If I hold Hiro by each edge and use both thumbs I can very easily reach the J key with my left thumb and the S key with my right. I feel a much larger keyboard would not even slightly hamper its use as a thumb board, but it would dramatically improve its use on a table.
- I don't really want a 'tiny laptop' because I, too, often "whip it out" and take notes, phone numbers, acquire data in traffic, etc.. Size is a definite constraint for me. I've mentioned somewhere that the size of a SL-6000 is just about absolute maximum. Any larger and I won't carry it 24x7, and it will be a waste. (shrug) I'd just keep Hiro ... he's an excellent compromise on all fronts. (happy smile)
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chiark   Form Factor - Handheld Pc, Or Zaurus-style?   Sep 26 2006, 01:26 PM
speculatrix   I thought there was a port of linux (or netbsd?) t...   Sep 27 2006, 03:28 AM
bluedevils   But wouldn't that put it in the same size as t...   Sep 27 2006, 07:10 AM
lardman   I'm with chiark, the Psion series 5 was the id...   Sep 27 2006, 07:56 AM
BarryW   QUOTE(lardman @ Sep 27 2006, 06:56 AM)I'm...   Sep 27 2006, 10:29 AM
maxg   I must agree. I have tried for a few days two UMPC...   Sep 27 2006, 02:09 PM
Da_Blitz   i have seen that many people regard the c3000 as t...   Sep 28 2006, 01:22 AM
chiark   QUOTE(speculatrix)I thought there was a port of li...   Sep 28 2006, 03:15 AM
speculatrix   hmm. Is there any way we could buy Nokia 770 table...   Sep 28 2006, 03:21 AM
zmiq2   Da Blitz, I totally agree with your view. I think...   Sep 28 2006, 03:36 AM
chiark   Speculatrix: Not quite what we're thinking of,...   Sep 29 2006, 04:30 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(chiark @ Sep 29 2006, 01:30 PM)http://w...   Sep 29 2006, 06:08 AM
Da_Blitz   that gives me an idea or two   Sep 29 2006, 06:04 AM
MONVMENTVM   While a friend of mine had a black Nintendo DS Lit...   Nov 1 2006, 08:22 AM
speculatrix   you can run linux on the DS, but it's not part...   Nov 1 2006, 08:33 AM
raduga   QUOTE(chiark @ Sep 26 2006, 01:26 PM)Wow, thi...   Nov 1 2006, 08:44 AM
MONVMENTVM   yeah, besides that the ds has a small display, no ...   Nov 1 2006, 09:31 AM
Da_Blitz   nice pic. i wish i had a ds to play with now to ge...   Nov 1 2006, 07:16 PM
Snappy   I second the 5" screen on the calmshells. I w...   Nov 5 2006, 03:00 AM
kahm   QUOTEThe UMPC is a technical product looking for a...   Nov 8 2006, 09:26 AM
futaris   Around the DS lite size seems good. The mock up p...   Nov 18 2006, 09:18 PM
chiark   yes, the 200lx would IMHO be a great design ethos ...   Nov 20 2006, 03:48 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(chiark @ Nov 20 2006, 12:48 PM)bought a...   Nov 20 2006, 04:55 AM
kahm   QUOTE(chiark @ Nov 20 2006, 05:48 AM)yes, the...   Nov 21 2006, 04:51 PM
Da_Blitz   i use to buy pants based on how large the pockets ...   Nov 20 2006, 03:39 PM
BarryW   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Nov 20 2006, 02:39 PM)i use ...   Nov 20 2006, 07:54 PM
Da_Blitz   actually no net accsess for 2 weeks, its tempting ...   Nov 20 2006, 08:37 PM
Ragnorok   - The Psion 5mx is actually approximately the same...   Nov 23 2006, 09:42 PM
kahm   QUOTE(Ragnorok @ Nov 23 2006, 11:42 PM)- I...   Nov 25 2006, 05:19 PM
Ragnorok   - Dunno. I just know when I really get flying on ...   Dec 1 2006, 06:52 AM
kahm   QUOTE(Ragnorok @ Dec 1 2006, 08:52 AM)- I agr...   Dec 1 2006, 09:12 AM
Da_Blitz   i find if my hands are cold it gets hard to push t...   Dec 1 2006, 10:28 PM
Ragnorok   - I do often set Hiro down, but not always. Now, ...   Dec 6 2006, 05:33 PM
Da_Blitz   i have really been looking into the diffrent sizes...   Dec 7 2006, 01:28 AM
freizugheit   Will the forthcoming ultra thin 12" Mac Book ...   Dec 7 2006, 01:46 AM
Da_Blitz   actually i saw a core 2 duo laptop with 1G of ram...   Dec 7 2006, 02:07 AM
Ragnorok   - I can't say I agree with the PDA-sized unit ...   Jan 26 2007, 07:54 PM
Da_Blitz   no i agree with you on that. its just the way i sa...   Jan 27 2007, 07:10 AM
Ragnorok   - Roit! Thanks for clarifying. I thought we ...   Jan 29 2007, 05:28 PM
Da_Blitz   but what type of syncing? for my "rig" ...   Jan 29 2007, 06:40 PM
speculatrix   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Jan 30 2007, 03:40 AM)but wh...   Jan 30 2007, 02:35 AM
Da_Blitz   i have been reseraching distributed filesystems i...   Jan 30 2007, 03:50 AM
zeigerpuppy   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Jan 30 2007, 03:50 AM)i have...   Jan 30 2007, 07:08 AM
Da_Blitz   that support online faliure but not both devices r...   Jan 30 2007, 06:32 PM
Ragnorok   - Dat were a joke! Syncing means nothing to m...   Feb 6 2007, 07:43 PM
Da_Blitz   actually for someone who dosent want to sync anyth...   Feb 7 2007, 02:35 AM
zeigerpuppy   Not sure if this is what you mean by syncing, but ...   Feb 7 2007, 04:24 AM
Da_Blitz   this is going to be painful, im typing this at 100...   Feb 7 2007, 04:46 AM
zeigerpuppy   I am actually quite interested in providing a mobi...   Feb 7 2007, 04:52 AM
Da_Blitz   yeah if i remeber luster was the comercial fork of...   Feb 10 2007, 05:39 PM
speculatrix   I put up some size comparisons here: http://www.za...   Feb 21 2007, 10:39 AM
Snappy   AFAIK, a c1000 is the same size as the other c3x00...   Feb 21 2007, 04:41 PM
speculatrix   QUOTE(Snappy @ Feb 22 2007, 01:41 AM)AFAIK, a...   Feb 22 2007, 03:46 AM
Snappy   QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 22 2007, 07:46 PM)QUO...   Feb 22 2007, 06:45 AM
uMP2k   Sorry if this one has already been posted on, but ...   Mar 5 2007, 09:11 PM
Da_Blitz   not really form factor has been a big thing for m...   Feb 22 2007, 01:49 AM
Da_Blitz   im considering that for the laptop/umpc version, m...   Mar 6 2007, 12:21 AM
uMP2k   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Mar 6 2007, 06:21 PM)im cons...   Mar 6 2007, 05:44 PM
speculatrix   it occurs to me that an interesting form factor wo...   Mar 6 2007, 02:11 AM
Da_Blitz   actually i found the australian resseller of the s...   Mar 6 2007, 10:32 PM
Ragnorok   QUOTEresseller of the software i want to use- ?? A...   Jun 13 2007, 06:02 PM


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