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Ferret-Simpson
post Oct 17 2006, 02:01 AM
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I think the biggest issue so far, has been that of the keyboard. Feel free to disagree.

Everyone and their grandmother has had their own idea of what they want from this. I've been after a keyboard similar to a Universal or Clamshell Zaurus, some have wanted chorded keyboards, some folding belkin-style keyboards, some just want a slate.

How about just MAKING a slate, without a keyboard. I propose that a separate keyboard is produced, however the heck anyone wants it, that connects to a port on the bottom of the device. You can have it on a cable, folding, with a Zaurus-style hinge on it so that it folds over the slate part. Whatever. You could either use a USB/M-USB connector, or attach it to the internal keyboard pins, (As long as they're capable of hotplugging.) What you'd end up with is a thicker display unit, and a thinner keyboard that you could flip out. You could carry a blooming Sun Type 6 130 odd key USB model instead, if you felt like it.

In fact, put the ATA connector on the same port and put the hard disk in the keyboard. That'll bulk up the keyboard a it, slim down the base unit, and let you decide again whether you want a 2.5GB notebook drive (With an external PSU or LARGE extra battery) a 1.8" CF-type Microdrive, a 60GB iPod drive, or a 256MB Flash card. Whatever floats your boat.
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Da_Blitz
post Nov 1 2006, 07:13 PM
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the detachable keyboard is still a good idea if you understand it fully, let me explain

by standerdising on USB it defines a keyboard interface, which is very nice for me as it makes thins simple, by using a standard interface we can also pulg other acsecesorries into it.

even if the keyboard is detachable i have said that i am making the joint rugerd as i see it as bieng the weakest part of the desin. if you want a heavy keyboard that is fine as it really dosent have much to do with the connector because i want to make it a requirement that the battery be in the addon pack.

now if you dont want a keyboard this may seem wierd unless you make a battery pack that sits flush with the back of the screen that plugs into the usb port. makes changing battries very easy wink.gif and we could chuck a usb hub chipset in there with the battery so when you get home you can plug in smile.gif

now you mention a changeable keyboard, at the moment i am saying put the cpu and ram inside the screen part and make the keyboard only contain the battery and some extra IO (eg a usb hub and perhaps an extra sd card or usb flash disk) doing this means you can have a tablet by just dropping the keyboard and plugging in a usb battery pack, one other advantage is that you have a usb abttery pack that can be used to power other devices.

one isde effect is that i can now EM shield the entire design as its all in the screen and i dont have to worry about a rotating cable that gets fed to the screen, not to mention the shorter cables wink.gif this isnt without disadvantages, one of them bieng that IO on the Z becomes limited because i am trying to minimise the hieght of the screen, if you dont mind a thigker screen and thinner keyboard thats great.

i could however make the suondcard USB as well as the SD card readers and the CF card readers meaning you could have more than one and dirvers are not a problem. and in the case of the sound card you get better isolation from the sound or noise of the main processor. the problem is that its backpack dependent so that going to a battery only pack means you just lost sound sad.gif it also pussehs up the price of teh backpacks. it also means the backpacks ore more custom than the screen/CPU which would only come in 2 or 3 diffrent models with diffrent ram cappacity and depending on the price of the wifi chipset, with or without wifi (if its less than $15 then this wont be an option as ram is the most expensive)

whereas the keyboard might come with diffrent sd/CF options, diffrent audio options, diffrent usb port options

anyway back to the point (or [/rant] how do you feel about what has been said and can anyone offer me an opinion, in terms of echonomics putting the stuff that can be changed in the keyboard/battery part means a cheaper cpu board as more of them are identical (ie non need to maintain diffrent models) which can be futher exploited by only offering it in 128MB RAM designs with wifi
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post Nov 1 2006, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Nov 1 2006, 06:13 PM)
the detachable keyboard is still a good idea if you understand it fully, let me explain

by standerdising on USB it defines a keyboard interface, which is very nice for me as it makes thins simple, by using a standard interface we can also pulg other acsecesorries into it.

even if the keyboard is detachable i have said that i am making the joint rugerd as i see it as bieng the weakest part of the desin. if you want a heavy keyboard that is fine as it really dosent have much to do with the connector because i want to make it a requirement that the battery be in the addon pack.

now if you dont want a keyboard this may seem wierd unless you make a battery pack that sits flush with the back of the screen that plugs into the usb port. makes changing battries very easy wink.gif and we could chuck a usb hub chipset in there with the battery so when you get home you can plug in smile.gif

now you mention a changeable keyboard, at the moment i am saying put the cpu and ram inside the screen part and make the keyboard only contain the battery and some extra IO (eg a usb hub and perhaps an extra sd card or usb flash disk) doing this means you can have a tablet by just dropping the keyboard and plugging in a usb battery pack, one other advantage is that you have a usb abttery pack that can be used to power other devices.

one isde effect is that i can now EM shield the entire design as its all in the screen and i dont have to worry about a rotating cable that gets fed to the screen, not to mention the shorter cables wink.gif this isnt without disadvantages, one of them bieng that IO on the Z becomes limited because i am trying to minimise the hieght of the screen, if you dont mind a thigker screen and thinner keyboard thats great.

i could however make the suondcard USB as well as the SD card readers and the CF card readers meaning you could have more than one and dirvers are not a problem. and in the case of the sound card you get better isolation from the sound or noise of the main processor. the problem is that its backpack dependent so that going to a battery only pack means you just lost sound sad.gif it also pussehs up the price of teh backpacks. it also means the backpacks ore more custom than the screen/CPU which would only come in 2 or 3 diffrent models with diffrent ram cappacity and depending on the price of the wifi chipset, with or without wifi (if its less than $15 then this wont be an option as ram is the most expensive)

whereas the keyboard might come with diffrent sd/CF options, diffrent audio options, diffrent usb port options

anyway back to the point (or [/rant] how do you feel about what has been said and can anyone offer me an opinion, in terms of echonomics putting the stuff that can be changed in the keyboard/battery part means a cheaper cpu board as more of them are identical (ie non need to maintain diffrent models) which can be futher exploited by only offering it in 128MB RAM designs with wifi
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I'm digging the idea. Personally I'd rather have the sound card built into the device itself. Hey, I can't remember, and too damn lazy to look, has anybody suggested something similar to the OQO?
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Ferret-Simpson   Alternative Design For The Ppz   Oct 17 2006, 02:01 AM
Da_Blitz   that is a really good idea, provided i can come up...   Oct 17 2006, 03:14 AM
Da_Blitz   i might also add that every alternate keyboard des...   Oct 17 2006, 03:18 AM
morrijr   Now that is a *very* nice idea. As for securing t...   Oct 17 2006, 11:50 PM
Da_Blitz   i was thinking more like the psp with an external ...   Oct 18 2006, 12:51 AM
Ferret-Simpson   I knew I was a Genius!   Oct 22 2006, 01:17 PM
craigtyson   Ferret This Idea ties in realy well with a goal I...   Oct 22 2006, 04:05 PM
uMP2k   The description of something about PSP format with...   Oct 22 2006, 05:20 PM
BarryW   Wasn't there a pocket pc with a detachable key...   Oct 22 2006, 08:38 PM
stampsm   QUOTE(BarryW @ Oct 22 2006, 08:38 PM)Wasn...   Oct 23 2006, 01:02 AM
uMP2k   OMG - do I want one of those or what! Form fa...   Oct 22 2006, 11:19 PM
Da_Blitz   hahah, its 4:00 am here and i have work in about a...   Oct 23 2006, 10:28 AM
chiark   I had a nexio XP30, and it's the PDA that I...   Oct 24 2006, 12:50 AM
BarryW   QUOTE(chiark @ Oct 23 2006, 11:50 PM)I had a ...   Oct 24 2006, 12:34 PM
chiark   The idea was there, yes - definitely. I think the...   Oct 24 2006, 02:30 PM
Da_Blitz   QUOTEI personally don't want a view-only devic...   Oct 24 2006, 07:20 PM
stampsm   4 inch screen sounds good. sharp makes one LS040V7...   Oct 24 2006, 11:01 PM
chiark   No insult taken The nexio failed because whilst ...   Oct 25 2006, 01:24 AM
craigtyson   An odd idea I had in the bath last night.... Assu...   Oct 25 2006, 02:53 AM
wsuetholz   I like the idea of having the keyboard be a blueto...   Oct 25 2006, 10:21 AM
Da_Blitz   chiark: ill have to look at avalible LCD's bef...   Oct 26 2006, 07:44 PM
chiark   every 5" panel I know of runs at 800x480, so ...   Oct 27 2006, 05:27 AM
MONVMENTVM   I personally wouldn't like a detachable keyboa...   Nov 1 2006, 03:04 PM
Da_Blitz   the detachable keyboard is still a good idea if yo...   Nov 1 2006, 07:13 PM
BarryW   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Nov 1 2006, 06:13 PM)the det...   Nov 1 2006, 07:19 PM
Ferret-Simpson   I'd also prefer the sound card to be onboard, ...   Nov 2 2006, 12:45 AM
Da_Blitz   actually thats the thing i find funny, i say move ...   Nov 2 2006, 03:46 AM
stampsm   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Nov 2 2006, 03:46 AM)actuall...   Nov 3 2006, 04:14 AM
Da_Blitz   sorry missed a post, no battery in the screen/cpu ...   Nov 2 2006, 03:48 AM
Ferret-Simpson   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Nov 2 2006, 12:48 PM)no batt...   Nov 2 2006, 04:17 PM
Da_Blitz   no offence but i see you as misintrperting alot of...   Nov 2 2006, 07:33 PM
BarryW   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Nov 2 2006, 06:33 PM)it also...   Nov 2 2006, 08:12 PM
Da_Blitz   little from coulmn A and a little from coulmn B ...   Nov 3 2006, 12:31 AM
BarryW   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Nov 2 2006, 11:31 PM)little ...   Nov 3 2006, 01:00 AM
Ferret-Simpson   Sounds like fun. You never worked at Gillingham, d...   Nov 3 2006, 03:39 AM
chiark   I am really, really liking the suggestion on form ...   Nov 3 2006, 10:09 AM
Da_Blitz   i am assuming a 5" in 16:9 would be about the...   Nov 4 2006, 04:08 AM
Ragnorok   - I'm not against a two-piece design, the disc...   Dec 6 2006, 06:16 PM
stampsm   you could do what motorola does with some of thier...   Dec 6 2006, 11:01 PM
Da_Blitz   i guess the usb audio idea is really somthing that...   Dec 7 2006, 12:18 AM
stampsm   yep i am of the design mind that if you do not use...   Dec 7 2006, 12:29 AM
stampsm   QUOTE(stampsm @ Dec 7 2006, 12:29 AM)yep i am...   Dec 7 2006, 11:23 PM
Da_Blitz   i think by the time i finshed this it will be a ra...   Dec 7 2006, 02:11 AM
Da_Blitz   breaking this up into 2 posts because i feel ther...   Dec 7 2006, 02:24 AM
stampsm   a range of products actually sounds like a much be...   Dec 7 2006, 11:38 PM
stampsm   well if you do use a 16/9 wide screen format scree...   Dec 7 2006, 11:55 PM
Da_Blitz   nice pic actually i haad my eye on those keyfobs ...   Dec 9 2006, 02:44 AM


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