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> New Zaurus Successor?, Kohjinsha SA1F00A/B UMPC 7'', x86@500MHz
zmiq2
post Nov 6 2006, 06:08 AM
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Ceratinly this is going to be my next zaurus !

http://www.i4u.com/article7020.html
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kopsis
post Nov 14 2006, 10:13 AM
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The TX2 looks like a sweet laptop, but at $2K+ we're talking about a whole different class of device. There are probably lots of Z alternatives if "money is no object". The more interesting question is: if you cap the price at around that of an SL-3200 ($600 - $700 including accessories), what are the alternatives?

I use my Z mainly as an ultra-portable thin client. Hardware wise I need WiFi, Bluetooth, and a keyboard. Software wise I need a full web browser, email, VNC, SSH, IM, a good text editor (Vim), a basic spreadsheet, and a bash shell. The Kohjinsha is the first gadget I've seen since Sharp introduced the clamshell series that seems to meet all those requirements at anything even close to the Z's price.

How about it? Are there other gadgets I should be considering that meet the above criteria and are a) still in production, B) under $900? Or are Sharp and Kohjinsha the only other games in town?
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post Nov 14 2006, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(kopsis @ Nov 14 2006, 07:13 PM)
The TX2 looks like a sweet laptop, but at $2K+ we're talking about a whole different class of device. There are probably lots of Z alternatives if "money is no object". The more interesting question is: if you cap the price at around that of an SL-3200 ($600 - $700 including accessories), what are the alternatives?
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before people assume I'm rich, I got my TX2 discounted as remaindered shop-soiled stock now that the TX3 is out... paid much much less than that. It's about as small as you can get before it fails to be a laptop and fails to be an oversized PDA. I'm wondering whether this Kohjinsha would fail to be either PDA or laptop, especially with lack of touchscreen. I carry a gadget bag, a small camcorder bag, with me most of the time, contains my digicam, Palm, Zaurus, accessories etc; if the Kohjinsha was too big, I could see myself leaving it at home too often.

There's also the issue of using it at work. People are allowed to use PDAs, but not personal laptops, so the Z escapes attention (other than as a "wow" gadget), but the K would almost certainly not.

Probably, it'd come down to individual tastes. Perhaps the reality is that until we get roll-up screens so that you can have something as small as a Z which unfolds/unrolls to an 8" display, there's not going to be a perfect device.

Sorry about the long stream of consciousness.
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zmiq2   New Zaurus Successor?   Nov 6 2006, 06:08 AM
InSearchOf   It is can be easily hacked to run linux... yes... ...   Nov 6 2006, 06:12 AM
Capn_Fish   I don't think that this is in the same categor...   Nov 6 2006, 06:39 AM
speculatrix   I have sent messages to conics and pricejapan to s...   Nov 6 2006, 07:14 AM
HoloVector   Looks interesting but, it is not a Zaurus replacem...   Nov 6 2006, 08:05 AM
Antikx   QUOTE(HoloVector @ Nov 6 2006, 10:05 AM)You n...   Nov 6 2006, 08:15 AM
raduga   QUOTE(Antikx @ Nov 6 2006, 08:15 AM)QUOTE(Hol...   Nov 6 2006, 09:25 AM
adf   I go back and forth on these mini laptops. It is ...   Nov 6 2006, 09:50 AM
HoloVector   QUOTE(raduga @ Nov 6 2006, 11:25 AM)QUOTE(Ant...   Nov 6 2006, 10:38 AM
speculatrix   indeed... this is why I still use a Palm T3 as a P...   Nov 6 2006, 08:50 AM
Cyberdoc1971   Looks like one of the UMPC's that have a lot o...   Nov 6 2006, 10:43 AM
speculatrix   more news about the SA1F00A on aki' news: htt...   Nov 7 2006, 02:51 AM
Da_Blitz   actually i saw this today and was rather imressed,...   Nov 7 2006, 03:21 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Nov 7 2006, 12:21 PM)actuall...   Nov 7 2006, 03:28 AM
zmiq2   It has cf, so I can re-use my great amount of zaur...   Nov 7 2006, 05:42 AM
speculatrix   I got a reply from Brett at conics... QUOTElooks l...   Nov 8 2006, 06:36 AM
clofland   This looks realy cool to me. I paid $750 for ...   Nov 8 2006, 08:19 AM
HoloVector   QUOTE(clofland @ Nov 8 2006, 10:19 AM)..... I...   Nov 8 2006, 09:05 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(clofland @ Nov 8 2006, 05:19 PM)I can...   Nov 8 2006, 09:41 AM
kahm   This thing is almost exactly the same size as my L...   Nov 8 2006, 10:50 AM
Cresho   can you run linux on it though!!!...   Nov 8 2006, 11:47 AM
kahm   QUOTE(Cresho @ Nov 8 2006, 01:47 PM)can you r...   Nov 8 2006, 02:07 PM
BarryW   QUOTE(kahm @ Nov 8 2006, 01:07 PM)*EDIT* Appa...   Nov 8 2006, 02:48 PM
speculatrix   so, you can turn it into tablet, but then you...   Nov 8 2006, 03:37 PM
kahm   It has a pointing stick on the side of the screen ...   Nov 8 2006, 05:56 PM
chyang   The spec: http://www.kohjinsha.com/models/sa/spec....   Nov 8 2006, 11:05 PM
conicsnet   QUOTE(chyang @ Nov 9 2006, 04:05 PM)The spec:...   Nov 9 2006, 02:30 AM
BarryW   http://www.dynamism.com/sa1/main.shtml   Nov 9 2006, 04:41 PM
freizugheit   The specs sound good, but I have not heard about t...   Nov 9 2006, 07:18 PM
speculatrix   hmm, dynamism say it IS a touch screen. so, who...   Nov 10 2006, 02:40 AM
Snappy   There are two built-in mouse input device ... touc...   Nov 10 2006, 03:53 AM
TsingTao   Well, I emailed Dynamism about these things a coup...   Nov 10 2006, 08:41 AM
zmiq2   There's a review about this unit unit at pc.wa...   Nov 11 2006, 05:59 AM
kopsis   I don't speak Japanese, but it's definitel...   Nov 11 2006, 01:14 PM
Tomoe   I checked the original review in Japanese, and ind...   Nov 13 2006, 09:06 AM
zmiq2   I would move to this machine (linux_installed) + n...   Nov 13 2006, 10:23 AM
drnick   Price Japan may be everyones best bet. rakuten.co...   Nov 13 2006, 01:17 PM
Antikx   I wouldn't ditch my Zaurus for this but I woul...   Nov 13 2006, 09:53 PM
speculatrix   I've been using a Sony TX2 for a little while ...   Nov 14 2006, 03:19 AM
kopsis   The TX2 looks like a sweet laptop, but at $2K...   Nov 14 2006, 10:13 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(kopsis @ Nov 14 2006, 07:13 PM)The TX2 ...   Nov 14 2006, 10:49 AM
fpp   QUOTE(kopsis @ Nov 14 2006, 10:13 AM)The TX2 ...   Nov 14 2006, 02:11 PM
mars   QUOTE(fpp @ Nov 14 2006, 10:11 PM)I believe a...   Nov 14 2006, 03:56 PM
nilch   Talking about the 770, what happened to the 2nd it...   Nov 14 2006, 06:34 PM
adf   QUOTE(nilch @ Nov 15 2006, 02:34 AM)Talking a...   Nov 14 2006, 08:59 PM
speculatrix   QUOTE(nilch @ Nov 15 2006, 03:34 AM)Talking a...   Nov 15 2006, 02:22 AM
fpp   QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 15 2006, 02:22 AM)QUO...   Nov 15 2006, 12:58 PM
nilch   QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 15 2006, 05:22 AM)QUO...   Dec 1 2006, 07:49 AM
Da_Blitz   i belive i am currentlly in the market for a Z rep...   Nov 14 2006, 08:18 PM
ZDevil   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Nov 15 2006, 06:18 AM)i beli...   Nov 15 2006, 01:24 AM
kopsis   I do like the Nokia 770. In fact I have one on ord...   Nov 15 2006, 11:01 AM
mars   QUOTE(kopsis @ Nov 15 2006, 07:01 PM). . . ne...   Nov 15 2006, 01:02 PM
kopsis   QUOTE(mars @ Nov 15 2006, 04:02 PM)How about ...   Nov 16 2006, 05:42 AM
nilch   Talking about this perfect synergy of size, form-f...   Nov 15 2006, 12:41 PM
zmiq2   I like the kohjinsha for x86 compatibility and no-...   Nov 16 2006, 05:55 AM
kahm   I've got a Kohjinsha on order from Conics for ...   Nov 30 2006, 01:14 PM
kopsis   I stumbled across another Japanese review of the S...   Nov 30 2006, 03:35 PM
scheck.r   Hi, Conics has a mini review of the device: http:...   Dec 5 2006, 08:19 AM
kopsis   My SA1F00B from Conics arrived yesterday (thanks B...   Dec 5 2006, 09:19 AM
kahm   QUOTE(kopsis @ Dec 5 2006, 11:19 AM)My SA1F00...   Dec 5 2006, 11:09 AM
kopsis   QUOTE(kahm @ Dec 5 2006, 02:09 PM)Have you tr...   Dec 5 2006, 06:49 PM
kahm   QUOTE(kopsis @ Dec 5 2006, 08:49 PM)Just trie...   Dec 6 2006, 09:07 AM
nilch   QUOTE(kahm @ Dec 6 2006, 12:07 PM)QUOTEKahm, ...   Dec 6 2006, 11:11 AM
nilch   Kahm, when you do receive yours, can you compare w...   Dec 5 2006, 01:12 PM
fpp   I'd be interested in your opinion on how usabl...   Dec 6 2006, 11:28 AM
zmiq2   I would be interested in seeing side-to-side compa...   Dec 6 2006, 03:14 PM
kahm   QUOTE(zmiq2 @ Dec 6 2006, 05:14 PM)I would be...   Dec 7 2006, 10:19 PM
drnick   I'd like to see it next to the Libretto U100, ...   Dec 8 2006, 05:36 AM
kahm   QUOTE(drnick @ Dec 8 2006, 07:36 AM)I'd l...   Dec 8 2006, 01:26 PM
zmiq2   kahm, you are my hero for having such amount of c...   Dec 8 2006, 10:30 AM
nilch   Kopsis (and anyone esle who already has it in thei...   Dec 8 2006, 11:52 AM
kopsis   QUOTE(nilch @ Dec 8 2006, 02:52 PM)Kopsis (an...   Dec 8 2006, 03:04 PM
fpp   So Dave : On your blog you mentioned being on the...   Dec 9 2006, 07:16 AM
kopsis   QUOTE(fpp @ Dec 9 2006, 10:16 AM)So Dave : O...   Dec 9 2006, 04:26 PM
Antikx   QUOTE(kopsis @ Dec 9 2006, 06:26 PM)Please do...   Dec 9 2006, 05:17 PM
kahm   QUOTE(kopsis @ Dec 9 2006, 06:26 PM)I haven...   Dec 10 2006, 06:08 AM
fpp   Thanks for the derailed review Dave ! It appea...   Dec 10 2006, 03:19 AM
kopsis   My non-stop stream of Kohjinsha propoganda continu...   Dec 11 2006, 05:32 PM
nilch   Very nice... just nice... seeing your pics beside...   Dec 11 2006, 06:37 PM
fpp   QUOTE(nilch @ Dec 11 2006, 06:37 PM)Very nice...   Dec 12 2006, 12:58 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(nilch @ Dec 12 2006, 03:37 AM)seeing yo...   Dec 12 2006, 01:45 AM
fpp   It looks like Kohjinsha have been taken by surpris...   Dec 12 2006, 12:50 AM
fpp   Well, this is a great day with two fantastic Xmas ...   Dec 24 2006, 08:30 AM
kahm   Yaay! Forums are back. Now, the forums went d...   Dec 25 2006, 11:22 PM
nilch   Great pictures and photo review of the Kohjinsha v...   Dec 26 2006, 08:40 PM
kahm   QUOTE(nilch @ Dec 26 2006, 10:40 PM)Great pic...   Dec 26 2006, 11:43 PM
speculatrix   I'll have to post some comparison photos of 31...   Dec 27 2006, 01:57 AM
Da_Blitz   hahahah, seems like it pretty common around here ...   Dec 28 2006, 06:08 PM
maximusz   Thanks for all the reviews and cool photo's - ...   Dec 29 2006, 07:09 PM
kahm   QUOTE(maximusz @ Dec 29 2006, 09:09 PM)Thanks...   Dec 30 2006, 12:10 AM
Da_Blitz   lower heat output,no ambient sound (no fans), weig...   Dec 29 2006, 10:58 PM
maximusz   Thanks for your input Kham, I would agree that th...   Dec 30 2006, 12:23 PM
adf   QUOTE(maximusz @ Dec 30 2006, 08:23 PM)Thanks...   Dec 30 2006, 01:30 PM
kahm   QUOTE(maximusz @ Dec 30 2006, 02:23 PM)Thanks...   Dec 30 2006, 11:02 PM
Da_Blitz   i am planning on turning it into a linux box thats...   Dec 30 2006, 04:39 PM
maximusz   I hope your right Kham, if the increased memory an...   Dec 31 2006, 12:27 PM
maximusz   This guy has a fully loaded K = 80gig HD and 1 GiG...   Dec 31 2006, 03:26 PM
Ling   Intel P4 2.53GHz Linux 2.4.20 PERF3: 29 July 2003 ...   Dec 31 2006, 03:51 PM
ljonesj   okay if you want to run ubuntu or its direvative k...   Dec 31 2006, 04:33 PM
cycle_55   I think that it would be much more useful to talk ...   Dec 31 2006, 04:36 PM
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