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> Sharp exiting consumer PDA Market in the US
post Mar 5 2004, 11:40 AM
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Seems to me that Sharp is exiting the consumer PDA market in the US:

1. The SL-5600 will be discontinued soon (if not already).

2. The SL-6000 is only being marketed to enterprises, and has an unreasonable price for consumers.

3. Sharp are not offering the SL-C860 or similar models in the US at all.

Seems to be the end of the road for the Zaurus as a consumer PDA in the US.
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post Mar 5 2004, 05:52 PM
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2. The SL-6000 is only being marketed to enterprises, and has an unreasonable price for consumers.


Hopefully, if Sharp is really going to refuse to retail the 6000 stateside, some "enterprising" enterprise customer will realise that there's money to be made selling them out the back door as fast as Sharp ships them in the front.

Maybe it's time to form Ethereal, Inc... :wink:
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post Mar 5 2004, 07:01 PM
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Can you please provide your source?

This would be a cruel early April Fools joke.

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post Mar 8 2004, 04:09 AM
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Can you please provide your source?

This would be a cruel early April Fools joke.

-Lox


I have no source. This is just information I have gleaned from reading these forums and putting it all together. I hope I am wrong !
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post Mar 9 2004, 01:33 PM
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> I hope I am wrong !

Good. Because you are. I expect to be able to buy the SL-6000W as a consumer from a website such as http://www.macconnection.com within three weeks for $699, based on the prediction of a Sharp employee yesterday. In other words, I believe I will actually pay LESS for it than would a Japanese consumer purchasing today, who would be faced with a bill of about $750.

Now, this isn't where Sharp will make its money, I'm sure. Packaging the 6000 with Websphere Everyplace and selling it to the laptop-hating mobile corporate types in batches of a thousand, there's the gravy! But they won't "exit" the consumer market.
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post Mar 9 2004, 02:49 PM
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> I hope I am wrong !

Good.  Because you are.  I expect to be able to buy the SL-6000W as a consumer from a website such as http://www.macconnection.com within three weeks for $699, based on the prediction of a Sharp employee yesterday.

That is great news biggrin.gif I hope that the Sharp employee is right!

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Now, this isn't where Sharp will make its money, I'm sure.  Packaging the 6000 with Websphere Everyplace and selling it to the laptop-hating mobile corporate types in batches of a thousand, there's the gravy!

And I am sure that many of these corporate types would absolutely love the C7xx C8xx form factor. Why is Sharp steadfastly refusing to release them to American & European markets, it doesn't make any sense to me.
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post Mar 10 2004, 11:32 AM
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> I hope I am wrong !

Good.  Because you are.


I disagree. Just because certain online retailers make an enterprise product available to anyone with a credit card, doesn't mean that the product is "in the consumer market". There will be no marketing or promotion of any Zauruses to consumers (outside of Japan), and support from Sharp will probably be limited. You won't be able to buy Zaurus's at any consumer electronic shop (although Fry's is the only one I know of that used to sell it). You probably won't be able to buy it from consumer focused online shops either (like Amazon). ISV commercial software development will probably cease to be.

In short, us hardcore Zaurus fans will still be able to get out hands on it, but it is in no way, shape, or form a "consumer product."
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post Mar 10 2004, 09:28 PM
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>> Just because certain online retailers make an enterprise product available to anyone with a credit card, doesn't mean that the product is "in the consumer market"

Actually, that's exactly what it means. http://www.pcconnection.com is an example of a vendor in the consumer market.

>> support from Sharp will probably be limited.

I see. You're confused in that you think poor support == not in consumer market.

>> You won't be able to buy Zaurus's at any consumer electronic shop

Who cares? See, there is this thing called the Web ... oh, nevermind

>> You probably won't be able to buy it from consumer focused online shops either (like Amazon)

Ummm, what? You can already get it from Amazon Japan.

>> ISV commercial software development will probably cease to be.

Well, you don't have to develop anything for it, but most Zaurus development goes on without Sharp support already, so ...

>> In short, us hardcore Zaurus fans

You sound so bitter and clueless. Are you sure you're a hardcore Zaurus fan? ... Um, oh, wait. Nevermind.
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post Mar 11 2004, 09:31 AM
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[quote="zorg"]> I hope I am wrong !

Good. Because you are.

I don't think $699 is a competitve price for a Wireless handheld. A typical wireless handheld is more like $399 or $499. Sure, Linux lovers might be happy to spend the extra cash, but thats not the consumer market. The consumer market is all those non technical consumers currently buying palms, ipaqs and sonys. If Sharp has exited that market, then they will become just a niche player. I expect 3rd party support will also wane, especially if linux on any of the 3 aforementioned products becomes more usable.
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post Mar 11 2004, 10:01 AM
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You sound so bitter and clueless.


Hello, Pot, you're black.

I won't bother responding any further because you just don't get it.
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post Mar 11 2004, 10:32 AM
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>> support from Sharp will probably be limited.
I see.  You're confused in that you think poor support == not in consumer market.

Actually Sharp's support was shockingly poor even when the Z was in the consumer market. If the Sl-6000 is not a consumer item, their support will be gone completely. Look at the fiasco with the www.zaurus.com/dev site for an example of their indifference.

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>> You won't be able to buy Zaurus's at any consumer electronic shop
Who cares?   See, there is this thing called the Web ... oh, nevermind


Not everyone likes to shop on the web, a large proportion of people prefer to actually see and touch something before laying out their hard earned cash.

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>> You probably won't be able to buy it from consumer focused online shops either (like Amazon)
Ummm, what?  You can already get it from Amazon Japan.

So what, you can also get the C860 from Amazon Japan. Amazon Japan is not Amazon the rest of the world!


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>> In short, us hardcore Zaurus fans

You sound so bitter and clueless.  Are you sure you're a hardcore Zaurus fan?  ...  Um, oh, wait.  Nevermind.


It is easy to get nasty when posting anonymously, I think that this comment is completely uncalled for.

Clive
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post Mar 11 2004, 12:03 PM
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well as the anonymous poster comments himself - nevermind.

Lets all 'nevermind' that he just makes his silly presumptious and nasty comments just to make no valid points at all.

Actually "us hardcore Zaurus fans" do care about all such points that DrWowe pointed out. Just because we are geeks of some kind doesnt mean that I will go buy any Linux thingie from Sharp without having the chance to hold it once and play with it some at a consumer store or some expo gathering or whatever opportunity we get (like touchbasing with another local zaurus user to have a look at his Zaurus-we zaurus users actually do that too - thats what makes the community great).
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post Mar 15 2004, 05:46 PM
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Sorry for the anonymous post. I meant to post as zorg, my usual name, but was annoyed by the post I was replying to (and the bitterness toward Sharp I saw in it) and did so too quickly. I also didn't review my post for content as long as I usually do, so sorry if I seemed too harsh, although reviewing it now, I don't think I was harsh beyond the typical tone of this forum.

As for consumer availability, you can already see the SL-6000 docking station listed at PC Connection, and I assume from my source at Sharp that the SL-6000W will be there by 31 March at $699. That's the consumer market, as far as I'm concerned.

My only reservation now is that someone else said the $699 price was actually for the SL-6000L or N, and that the W won't be available at PC Connection at all for a while. It is possible that my source at Sharp meant the SL-6000L or N, but said SL-6000W. Oh, well. If it doesn't show up soon, I will probably shell out the $1069 for a Japan-Direct import. It will replace a $1299 notebook, not a $399 or $499 pda. It has the specs of a new and different product, one that could make its own category.

The Web has beaten the physical stores to a pulp. I don't visit them very often and, when I do (Fry's, Best Buy), I see sales droids who know nothing of value, and only the least common denominator products in inventory, usually nothing I would purchase. The really successful ones (Best Buy) seem to be fleecing rubes with Least Common Denominators. A profitable business, but no more interesting to me than a Vegas Casino.

The physical stores don't sell the Hush ATX, the Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite, neither of my cameras, nor a dozen other worthwhile techtoys I get from websites.

I am surprised that anyone on this forum except a PocketPeecee troll would need to play with a Z before purchase. On the other hand, I do prefer to purchase from Web retailers like B&H, who handle returns without question, so I do see the need for a safety valve. It's just that I already have one on the Web.

Again, I apologize for the "anonymous" posting, although zorg is not the name on my paycheck stub! And I apologize if it seemed too harsh to call you bitter and clueless. Many of your previous posts seem quite clueful (and I appreciate them) but you, and many others on this board, do seem to harbor a bitterness toward Sharp that makes much of what you say *seem* clueless, as if you're so used to Sharp blowing it that you won't be satisfied unless Sharp blows the 6000. I remain hopeful that Sharp will hit a home run.
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post Mar 15 2004, 06:13 PM
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I'm probably not the only one to have noticed, however PC Connection already show pricing for a not better indentified "SL6000":

http://shop.pcconnection.com/web/Shopping/....htm?Platform=B

As Zorg wrote, the price is $699. A little steep for somebody looking for a PDA (although powerful), but definitely much more palatable for anybody in need of a laptop replacement.

Happy drooling...............
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post Mar 15 2004, 06:33 PM
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Zorg,

I tend to agree with your take that Sharp's latest offering will include the consumer market, and that the measure of that availability is not finding a giant aisle display at WalMart.

However, I would also draw a distinction between availability on the consumer market and visibility on the consumer market. A thousand Zaurus users is a community, but a million Zaurus users would be a consumer base for makers of aftermarket add-ons, from cases to software. (I'm dying fo a decent, usable drug reference!)

Also, although I (as an anesthesiologist) spend most of my life in scrubs, with no pockets to speak of, I appreciate the large segment of the PDA-buying public for whom a make-or-break issue is: "Will this fit in my coat pocket?" That question is a very hands-on one. (I know, pick an online retailer with a good return policy, but I find it hard to fault those who would rather not risk the hassle.)

Although Sharp probably isn't going to freeze out the die-hards (who are watching places like this board for the first whispers of US availability), I think it's a shame that Sharp can't get a little marketing energy behind a truly worthy product that most of the world's (non-Japanese) PDA users will never even hear of.
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