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xjqian
post Mar 14 2007, 09:30 PM
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As most of your know the 6000L is an odd breed compared to other Zauri, esp the clamshells, where availability and dev activities are high. Hence Tosa ROM version is behind others except for OZ/Angstrom where the key dev. Hrw has the device.

Current Tosa ROM status in the other popular rom is pretty disappointing

PdaXrom: beta1
Cacko: None

I've been whining for a long time without contributing. Part of the reason is that I don't know where should my effort go. I have to admit that I'm not even close to software engineer in trade and pretty inexperienced in the whole thing. But I'm pretty confident in my learning ability to get some Tosa dev going.

For a starter, I'm interested to advance PdaXrom to a stable/usable 2.4 kernel, similar to what Meanie did for pdaXii. (weed out bugs, etc. ) Who else is interested and have time to contribute? We probably need some sort of infrastructure (svn, emaillist, bugtracker, etc.) Could we borrow what's available in the PdaXrom site? Should we get together and form a team?

Btw, anybody interested in a Cacko ROM for Tosa?

I can probably commit half an hour per day for the project after my thesis defense.
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xjqian
post Apr 7 2007, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ Apr 7 2007, 02:18 PM)
Maybe we should have a look at what HRW does with the upcoming Angstrom release?  Or is it out, and if so has anyone spent any time using it?
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I'm testing the latest Angstrom. I think the kernel part is almost the same as the latest OZ. Not much new development on Tosa. Hence, same bugs as mentioned before. OZ people are more concerned about the maintainability of the code base rather than the usability of an individual device. (just stating a fact)

I'm fine to work with pdaXrom team on sourceforge (SVN and bugtrackers), if they agree to open a branch for Tosa, setup a mailing list for tosa and allow us to share the bugtracker (which is long overdue).
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post Apr 8 2007, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(xjqian @ Apr 8 2007, 03:13 AM)
I'm fine to work with pdaXrom team on sourceforge (SVN and bugtrackers), if they agree to open a branch for Tosa, setup a mailing list for tosa and allow us to share the bugtracker (which is long overdue).
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IMO we can't share the bugtracker until we can get the tosa up to the current SVN that the other clamshells are using. In order to do that, we'd need to port u-boot. I'm sorry, I still haven't given much time towards this.

I really think we'd need a separate project just to bring tosa to the level where it could share SVN with pdaxrom. Any chance of someone setting up a bugtracker and mailing list in this regard?
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post Apr 8 2007, 12:18 PM
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So what we are really looking at is either a tidied up 2.4 based pdaxrom

or

Tidying up Angstrom

Or

Hacking Sharprom

My view is that the easiest would be to fix up sharprom w/ pdaxqt or pocketworkstation

the option with the most likely future seems like Angstrom, though it would meant some bug reporting. Anyone know if xfce4 is up on angstrom?

with 4 gig sd at less than 40 usd, a 2.6 tosa seems pretty attractive. If we could get the wireless stuff into a simple point'n'click app...
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post Apr 8 2007, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ Apr 8 2007, 08:18 PM)
So what we are really looking at is either a tidied up 2.4 based pdaxrom

or

Tidying up Angstrom

Or

Hacking Sharprom

My view is that the easiest would be to fix up sharprom w/ pdaxqt or pocketworkstation

the option with the most likely future seems like Angstrom, though it would meant some bug reporting.  Anyone know if xfce4 is up on angstrom?

with 4 gig sd at less than 40 usd, a 2.6 tosa seems pretty attractive.  If we could get the wireless stuff into a simple point'n'click app...
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Hmm. I can't use sharp ROM. It's got some great stability, but so too does a brick, and I need a computer instead. Sharp ROM is mostly dead in my humble opinion. PdaXQT and PWS breathe some life into it, but that's fairly cleaned up already I'd think isn't it?

I guess *all* of the distros could use some help and development/testing. Sorry if this isn't helpful. Just my two cents. I'd really like to help, however. I was somewhat thinking that we could agree on a distro and form a team, but that may be asking too much. They're all going to make progress. Even Sharp ROM, although that would be very slow progress from my point of view.

I've been seriously considering going the Linux From Scratch method just to get a totally customized system. I realize I wouldn't be alone in going that route, but it would be nice to be able to contribute efforts to *all* of the distros if they could find it useful.
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post Apr 8 2007, 01:40 PM
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An update:

U -boot seems to flash properly on the tosa. I say *seems* because I don't really know what it's supposed to be doing. Now as to the next step of loading the 2.6 pdaxrom, I haven't gotten this to work yet. (Almost every time I reflash, my palms get a little sweaty, and I'm afraid I've bricked my Z.)

An additional issue with the 2.6 kernel series of pdaxrom is that I haven't been able to restore from NAND backups on my 3200, without first doing a NAND backup to Sharp ROM. Yet another bonus point for Sharp ROM. This seems to be the case for me on Tosa also. So I'm currently back to Sharp ROM, debating whether to NAND restore back to pdaxrom beta1 or not.

What's really preventing me from going the Linux From Scratch route is the boot loader. In their method, everything is geared towards building for an x86 computer. So, in order to build from scratch, I'd probably want to be sure that I've got a working bootloader. So far, for me that consists of 3 bootloaders:

1.) Sharp
2.) Alt-boot
3.) U-boot

...and I'd mostly like to use them in that order until I really get the hang of how a bootloader works.

As to LFS: I've mostly already begun this. They suggest as a first step to rebuild:
link to Chapter 5
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o Binutils-2.16.1 - Pass 1
o GCC-4.0.3 - Pass 1
o Linux-Libc-Headers-2.6.12.0
o Glibc-2.3.6
o Adjusting the Toolchain
o Tcl-8.4.13
o Expect-5.43.0
o DejaGNU-1.4.4
o GCC-4.0.3 - Pass 2
o Binutils-2.16.1 - Pass 2
o Ncurses-5.5
o Bash-3.1
o Bzip2-1.0.3
o Coreutils-5.96
o Diffutils-2.8.1
o Findutils-4.2.27
o Gawk-3.1.5
o Gettext-0.14.5
o Grep-2.5.1a
o Gzip-1.3.5
o M4-1.4.4
o Make-3.80
o Patch-2.5.4
o Perl-5.8.8
o Sed-4.1.5
o Tar-1.15.1
o Texinfo-4.8
o Util-linux-2.12r
o Stripping
o Changing Ownership

#


Which I've mostly done (at a quick glance) without a whole lot of flaws. I have yet to rebuild the kernel, and glibc however. GCC (version 3.4.5 not 4.0.3) is also incompatible with my various versions of pdaxrom. I suppose trying to pull the sources from pdaxrom's SVN would be a possible way to resolve this.

Also, I haven't made a new partition to hold all of this stuff either. Rebuilding these packages is only a small part of the process from what I gather. It's making them all fit that's a little intimidating.
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xjqian   Tosa Development Plan   Mar 14 2007, 09:30 PM
gfdsa   QUOTEWe probably need some sort of infrastructure ...   Mar 14 2007, 11:29 PM
adf   my .02 us would be to: work on the pdax kernel (i...   Mar 15 2007, 12:05 AM
xjqian   QUOTE(adf @ Mar 15 2007, 03:05 AM)my .02 us w...   Mar 15 2007, 12:24 AM
adf   that sounds about right. It occurred to me after ...   Mar 15 2007, 11:04 AM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(xjqian @ Mar 15 2007, 05:30 AM)Who else...   Apr 5 2007, 03:25 PM
adf   Interested? Definitely. Able to port uboot to the ...   Apr 5 2007, 05:01 PM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 6 2007, 01:01 AM)Interested? ...   Apr 5 2007, 08:13 PM
adf   I think the way softfloat is done on the OZ kernel...   Apr 5 2007, 08:19 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(radiochickenwax @ Apr 5 2007, 11:13 PM)...   Apr 7 2007, 01:50 AM
gagware   QUOTE(adf @ Mar 15 2007, 10:05 AM)I take it A...   Apr 1 2007, 02:55 AM
xjqian   QUOTE(gagware @ Apr 1 2007, 05:55 AM)Actually...   Apr 1 2007, 04:19 AM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 6 2007, 04:19 AM)How hard wou...   Apr 5 2007, 08:52 PM
adf   Yeah-- I kinda hate to mess with mine-- the tetsu/...   Apr 5 2007, 09:47 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 6 2007, 12:47 AM)2.6 OZ/Angst...   Apr 7 2007, 02:03 AM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(xjqian @ Apr 7 2007, 10:03 AM)QUOTE(adf...   Apr 7 2007, 11:16 AM
adf   Maybe we should have a look at what HRW does with ...   Apr 7 2007, 11:18 AM
speculatrix   one thing I'd like to see is unionfs support b...   Apr 6 2007, 01:12 AM
adf   QUOTE(speculatrix @ Apr 6 2007, 09:12 AM)one ...   Apr 6 2007, 07:01 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 7 2007, 02:18 PM)Maybe we sho...   Apr 7 2007, 07:13 PM
koen   QUOTE(xjqian @ Apr 8 2007, 03:13 AM)OZ people...   Apr 8 2007, 07:14 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(koen @ Apr 8 2007, 04:14 PM)And talking...   Apr 8 2007, 02:17 PM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(xjqian @ Apr 8 2007, 03:13 AM)I'm f...   Apr 8 2007, 12:06 PM
adf   So what we are really looking at is either a tidie...   Apr 8 2007, 12:18 PM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 8 2007, 08:18 PM)So what we a...   Apr 8 2007, 12:31 PM
radiochickenwax   An update: U -boot seems to flash properly on the...   Apr 8 2007, 01:40 PM
adf   I can agree to a distro...any distro. The thing i...   Apr 8 2007, 03:09 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(koen @ Apr 8 2007, 10:14 AM)That's ...   Apr 10 2007, 12:20 AM
radiochickenwax   I agree that there are definite advantages to a Sh...   Apr 10 2007, 10:24 AM
adf   cacko never quite worked right. Guylhem was trying...   Apr 10 2007, 06:52 PM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 11 2007, 02:52 AM)cacko never...   Apr 13 2007, 03:29 PM
adf   Angstrom sounds hopeful, at least. I haven't ...   Apr 13 2007, 07:11 PM
Hrw   Ok. Let me write few words. Yes, I have a tosa he...   Apr 20 2007, 05:52 AM
adf   I've flashed to Angstrom- it seems to work. ne...   Apr 20 2007, 04:11 PM
Hrw   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 21 2007, 02:11 AM)edit: I ten...   Apr 20 2007, 11:03 PM
radiochickenwax   Here are some funny links related to this thread: ...   Apr 20 2007, 07:25 PM
koen   QUOTE(radiochickenwax @ Apr 21 2007, 03:25 AM...   Apr 20 2007, 08:21 PM
Meanie   QUOTE(radiochickenwax @ Apr 21 2007, 01:25 PM...   Apr 22 2007, 12:31 AM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(Meanie @ Apr 22 2007, 08:31 AM)Alternat...   Apr 22 2007, 02:48 PM
adf   that could be very interesting   Apr 22 2007, 08:45 PM
radiochickenwax   Yeah, I've been wanting to do something like t...   Apr 23 2007, 04:01 PM
adf   QUOTE(radiochickenwax @ Apr 24 2007, 12:01 AM...   Apr 23 2007, 07:25 PM
radiochickenwax   This sorta reminds me of the etched marble experim...   Apr 24 2007, 10:19 AM


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