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> New Z6000 A-like Umpc, Raon Digital Everrun
kahm
post May 31 2007, 01:54 PM
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Raon (the makers of the Vega - an AMD LX800 powered UMPC) have announced a new mini computer that may be interesting to those looking for a Zaurus replacement

The Raon Digital Everrun:
http://umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=110

A JPG of the released spec sheet.
http://umpcportal.com/gallery/v/raoneverun...ageViewsIndex=1

It reminds me a lot of the SLC 6000.
The Everrun is 173mmx85mmx25mm
The SLC-6000 is 158mmx78mmx23mm (presumably with keyboard closed)

The Everrun uses a 600mhz AMD LX900 (Similar to the Kohjinsha), 512mb ram, 30-60gb HD (with a 6gb SSD option), 800x480 touchscreen, bluetooth, wireless, 6-7 hours battery life, and a promised sub-$1000 (after importing) price tag.

It even has a keyboard - It's a full qwerty thumboard in the same spot as the 6000's hidden keyboard. It seems like a very unusual design, but I think it could work.

I think this is quite interesting. I wish it were a clamshell - now I'm stuck trying to decide between this one and the Fujitsu U series sad.gif
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post May 31 2007, 02:18 PM
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it's quite a beast, really, an inch thick.. I'm not convinced by the thumbboard at all.. I've had various Palms, 860,6000 & 3100, and basically I found the 6000 thumbboard in comparison to the clams very tedious - I preferred the writing recognition on the palm in comparison!
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post May 31 2007, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ May 31 2007, 10:18 PM)
it's quite a beast, really, an inch thick.. I'm not convinced by the thumbboard at all.. I've had various Palms, 860,6000 & 3100, and basically I found the 6000 thumbboard in comparison to the clams very tedious - I preferred the writing recognition on the palm in comparison!
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I don't dislike the 6000 keyboard that much. I won't, however, buy anything that runs windows anymore, unless getting linux on it is relatively trivial.
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post May 31 2007, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(speculatrix @ May 31 2007, 04:18 PM)
it's quite a beast, really, an inch thick.. I'm not convinced by the thumbboard at all.. I've had various Palms, 860,6000 & 3100, and basically I found the 6000 thumbboard in comparison to the clams very tedious - I preferred the writing recognition on the palm in comparison!
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True, however this keyboard has rounded keys, isn't inset into the device, and is wider. It still is very much going to require someone to try it, but I think this keyboard potentially has a lot more usability than the 6000's.

And, to be fair, the 6000 is quite a beast as well smile.gif The clamshells, when closed, are also the same thickness.
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post May 31 2007, 04:49 PM
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- This looks like a "normal" computer in a compact format, ie, it will use a "bios", mbr, and boot from the internal hard drive. As such any flavor of Linux should run on it easily, assuming the cpu is wintel-compatible. I can't believe mickeysawft rebuilt XP Home for this device, so it stands to reason it is. Whole world opens up there.
- It looks monstrously huge in the pictures, and while 2mm thicker isn't all that, 8mm wider and 15mm longer are mean quite a bit more volume.
- I'd be a lot more interested if it were a clam, but I have to admit it's got pretty impressive specs, especially if the battery really does last seven hours.
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post May 31 2007, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE(Ragnorok @ Jun 1 2007, 12:49 AM)
- This looks like a "normal" computer in a compact format, ie, it will use a "bios", mbr, and boot from the internal hard drive.  As such any flavor of Linux should run on it easily, assuming the cpu is wintel-compatible.  I can't believe mickeysawft rebuilt XP Home for this device, so it stands to reason it is.  Whole world opens up there.
- It looks monstrously huge in the pictures, and while 2mm thicker isn't all that, 8mm wider and 15mm longer are mean quite a bit more volume.
- I'd be a lot more interested if it were a clam, but I have to admit it's got pretty impressive specs, especially if the battery really does last seven hours.
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Sounds hopeful--what I'm worried about is some freakish video driver, or or other single , necessary, proprietary component. You know how these things turn out, all too often
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post May 31 2007, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ May 31 2007, 11:30 PM)
I won't, however, buy anything that runs windows anymore, unless getting linux on it is relatively trivial.
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I think the Wubi project http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/...n-US/index.html makes fast progress. With that, installing Ubuntu is

0. configure WLAN access on Windows
1. download Wubi from the network
2. double click to launch
3. select a root user name/password
4. click continue
5. wait 15 min for downloading the .iso
6. click through the confirmation dialogs of the Linux installer
7. log in

It worked for me (after helping to fix some bugs within Wubi) on an Asus R2H.

-- hns
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post Jun 1 2007, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ May 31 2007, 07:46 PM)
Sounds hopeful--what I'm worried about is some freakish video driver, or or other single , necessary, proprietary component. You know how these things turn out, all too often
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THis is built on AMD's LX900 chip, which is x86 compatible. It, in fact, is basically the same chipset as the Kohjinsha (And, incidently, the linux based PepperPad 3)

AFAIK, the only stumbling block to linux on the Kohjinsha is the wireless chipset.
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post Jun 1 2007, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE(kahm @ Jun 1 2007, 03:44 PM)
QUOTE(adf @ May 31 2007, 07:46 PM)

Sounds hopeful--what I'm worried about is some freakish video driver, or or other single , necessary, proprietary component. You know how these things turn out, all too often
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THis is built on AMD's LX900 chip, which is x86 compatible. It, in fact, is basically the same chipset as the Kohjinsha (And, incidently, the linux based PepperPad 3)

AFAIK, the only stumbling block to linux on the Kohjinsha is the wireless chipset.
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I don't know...My Mini-ITX desktop has a Via x86-compatible CPU, but it's graphics take some or quite a bit of work to get to work.

My point is that even if the chip is x86-compatible, video/other drivers can still be a (major) issue.
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post Jun 5 2007, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Jun 1 2007, 09:05 PM)
QUOTE(kahm @ Jun 1 2007, 03:44 PM)
QUOTE(adf @ May 31 2007, 07:46 PM)

Sounds hopeful--what I'm worried about is some freakish video driver, or or other single , necessary, proprietary component. You know how these things turn out, all too often
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THis is built on AMD's LX900 chip, which is x86 compatible. It, in fact, is basically the same chipset as the Kohjinsha (And, incidently, the linux based PepperPad 3)

AFAIK, the only stumbling block to linux on the Kohjinsha is the wireless chipset.
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I don't know...My Mini-ITX desktop has a Via x86-compatible CPU, but it's graphics take some or quite a bit of work to get to work.

My point is that even if the chip is x86-compatible, video/other drivers can still be a (major) issue.
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Graphics (and indeed all basic functionality) is built into the LXx00 chipsets from AMD, which do seem to work just fine under linux. It's not a complicated Video chipset, AFAIK totally lacking 3d support.

The only reason why there are problems with anything on these devices is choice in chipsets for add on devices (wireless, BT, touchscreen, etc)
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