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Cyberdoc1971
post Aug 14 2007, 07:36 PM
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I know some of this has been touched on in pother previous forums, but has the age of the Linux-powered pda (Zaurus/Archos PMA/Etc.) come to an end? This was in discussion especially when Sharp made the decision to discontinue the Zaurus line. I have also seen the decline in other PDA lines (Palm and Windows Mobile), with very little news of any new PDAs coming out(personally, the Follio is a sub-notebook, not a PDA).

I have seen other users Z's and other units starting to have problems, and lack of parts does not help. Like you I got into the mobile Linux when it started up, I was lucky recently to get my hands on an Archos PMA430, bit I have concerns that the PDA is about dead to make way for the converged device, which I am not too fond of. So people, what are your thoughts on this?
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post Aug 20 2007, 11:38 AM
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Yes, but UMPCs aren't doing very well. I've never seen a UMPC out in the wild -- the smallest laptop I've seen is a Libretto. The masses just aren't geeky enough to spend that kind of money on something when they could get a laptop for much less. Maybe in 20 years everyone will have a very small UMPC that does everything they need and then they can just hook it up to a docking station when they get home and use it as a full PC. But that day has not come, and right now all of these gadgets are for geeks. There just isn't a market for it yet.
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post Aug 20 2007, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(T3_slider @ Aug 20 2007, 02:38 PM)
Yes, but UMPCs aren't doing very well. I've never seen a UMPC out in the wild -- the smallest laptop I've seen is a Libretto. The masses just aren't geeky enough to spend that kind of money on something when they could get a laptop for much less. Maybe in 20 years everyone will have a very small UMPC that does everything they need and then they can just hook it up to a docking station when they get home and use it as a full PC. But that day has not come, and right now all of these gadgets are for geeks. There just isn't a market for it yet.
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I am not so sure ... if there are 4-5 companies bringing out UMPC's or UMPC styled PDA's, then surely its not for geeks anymore. You can bet your dollar that so many comanies will not be making products (or experimenting even) for a market whose time has not come yet. Yes, I do agree that not too many people are buying yet - thats mainly because of the price factor - but the day a UMPC breaks the $1000 barrier, it won't be too much more for it to become a consumer product.

Yes on the other hand the converged device like the smartphone (a PDA+phone) is more of a mass market product now. It must have taken some time for it to become so, cause many people did say that a phone and a camera and a pda - an all in one device - just wouldn't work. It was too complex for notmal people.

20 years you say - I am sure that's just figurative speech.

Of course I am not future teller either and I could be dead wrong.
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Cyberdoc1971   Is The Z, Archos Pma, Etc Dead?   Aug 14 2007, 07:36 PM
Da_Blitz   i think due to the nature of the devices it wont d...   Aug 15 2007, 12:39 AM
nilch   While I love the Zaurus as a PDA, but its slow-dyi...   Aug 15 2007, 07:31 AM
Cyberdoc1971   I agree that Only if the Zaurus and others (Archos...   Aug 15 2007, 03:26 PM
iwantprogress   my tastes seem to be very uncommon in the marketpl...   Aug 15 2007, 03:26 PM
Meanie   QUOTE(iwantprogress @ Aug 16 2007, 09:26 AM)m...   Aug 15 2007, 05:33 PM
desertrat   QUOTE(Meanie @ Aug 16 2007, 01:33 AM)marketee...   Aug 16 2007, 07:03 AM
Cyberdoc1971   QUOTE(desertrat @ Aug 16 2007, 10:03 AM)QUOTE...   Aug 16 2007, 08:10 AM
iwantprogress   i think i'd be ok with a (properly thumbable) ...   Aug 16 2007, 02:27 AM
Meanie   QUOTE(iwantprogress @ Aug 16 2007, 08:27 PM)i...   Aug 16 2007, 02:52 AM
Dromede   QUOTE(Meanie @ Aug 16 2007, 11:52 AM)QUOTE(iw...   Aug 16 2007, 03:50 AM
ZDevil   I'd say choice and freedom.   Aug 16 2007, 03:59 AM
vputz   I will say that no device has excited me more than...   Aug 16 2007, 06:50 AM
T3_slider   I don't know much about the iPhone, but I...   Aug 16 2007, 01:06 PM
iwantprogress   meanie wrote: > linux but that is why i wrote...   Aug 16 2007, 01:24 PM
iwantprogress   btw not saying i disagree that linux is not a prio...   Aug 16 2007, 01:26 PM
Meanie   QUOTE(iwantprogress @ Aug 17 2007, 07:26 AM)b...   Aug 16 2007, 03:07 PM
Cyberdoc1971   QUOTE(Meanie @ Aug 16 2007, 06:07 PM)QUOTE(iw...   Aug 16 2007, 03:56 PM
speculatrix   the only mass market product I see which rivals th...   Aug 16 2007, 11:51 PM
Da_Blitz   thanks for the heads up on the uni, i have been th...   Aug 17 2007, 02:23 AM
desertrat   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Aug 17 2007, 10:23 AM)... an...   Aug 17 2007, 11:06 AM
nilch   This topic is really getting pretty conplex - natu...   Aug 17 2007, 10:02 AM
T3_slider   QUOTE(desertrat)It's sad and disgraceful how M...   Aug 17 2007, 12:39 PM
iwantprogress   nilch> They will not consume a uber PDA in thes...   Aug 17 2007, 01:01 PM
nilch   QUOTE(iwantprogress @ Aug 17 2007, 04:01 PM)n...   Aug 20 2007, 07:44 AM
amrein   QUOTEIs The Z, Archos Pma, Etc Dead? Here is how ...   Aug 17 2007, 03:33 PM
adf   well--actually, I really like my Z. it could be fa...   Aug 17 2007, 08:13 PM
desertrat   QUOTE(amrein @ Aug 17 2007, 11:33 PM)To still...   Aug 22 2007, 08:35 PM
Cyberdoc1971   Wow! Amrein, that is the best explanation that...   Aug 17 2007, 08:07 PM
Da_Blitz   ever since switching to Linux i have hated the who...   Aug 20 2007, 03:09 AM
T3_slider   Yes, but UMPCs aren't doing very well. I'v...   Aug 20 2007, 11:38 AM
nilch   QUOTE(T3_slider @ Aug 20 2007, 02:38 PM)Yes, ...   Aug 20 2007, 12:37 PM
desertrat   QUOTE(nilch @ Aug 20 2007, 08:37 PM)I am not ...   Aug 22 2007, 08:44 PM
nilch   QUOTE(desertrat @ Aug 22 2007, 11:44 PM)QUOTE...   Aug 23 2007, 05:50 AM
T3_slider   Haha, your point about the phone+PDA converged dev...   Aug 21 2007, 04:25 PM
adf   QUOTE(T3_slider @ Aug 21 2007, 04:25 PM)Haha,...   Aug 24 2007, 11:05 PM
Cyberdoc1971   It's true about the dumb masses wanting and cr...   Aug 23 2007, 01:41 PM
nilch   QUOTE(Cyberdoc1971 @ Aug 23 2007, 04:41 PM)It...   Aug 23 2007, 06:38 PM
adf   QUOTE(nilch @ Aug 23 2007, 06:38 PM)QUOTE(Cyb...   Aug 23 2007, 08:43 PM
Meanie   QUOTE(nilch @ Aug 24 2007, 12:38 PM)QUOTE(Cyb...   Aug 23 2007, 11:08 PM
Cyberdoc1971   Lol, sorry guys, I did not mean to use "geek...   Aug 24 2007, 07:25 AM
desertrat   QUOTE(Cyberdoc1971 @ Aug 24 2007, 03:25 PM)As...   Aug 25 2007, 06:47 PM
Cyberdoc1971   QUOTE(desertrat @ Aug 25 2007, 09:47 PM)QUOTE...   Aug 25 2007, 10:38 PM
T3_slider   You consider these crappy Windows UMPCs the greate...   Aug 24 2007, 02:29 PM
Cyberdoc1971   QUOTE(T3_slider @ Aug 24 2007, 05:29 PM)You c...   Aug 24 2007, 08:37 PM
Cyberdoc1971   Good Idea as I recall, it is still a concept being...   Aug 25 2007, 09:20 AM
T3_slider   Except I absolutely despise glasses. And I need th...   Aug 25 2007, 12:35 PM
desertrat   QUOTE(T3_slider @ Aug 25 2007, 08:35 PM)It...   Aug 25 2007, 06:54 PM
Da_Blitz   QUOTEThat's old hat - plus users complain that...   Aug 26 2007, 06:18 AM


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