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marshmn
I've been holding off buying a C860 for a few months now, hoping that a new model will be released sometime... just wondered if anyone new something I didn't?

What I would ideally like is something like a C860 or C3000 but with builtin WiFi or Bluetooth (or both)...

I just know that the minute I order a C860, a new model will be announced :-)

Matt
Mickeyl
Understandable. I'm also still hoping for that C960 that never appeared yet. I wonder also if they're going to keep the microdrive approach or if they will come out with any more flash-only models.
marshmn
Do we know anything about what the C960 would supposedly contain? It's the first I've heard of it...

Thanks,
Matt
loopy29
If I am correct, new models are most often announced around october/november, unless it is just a minor update. I think you will be safe for a while...
tumnus
ashikase has found something that may hint at a SL-3100:

https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=10787
loopy29
QUOTE(tumnus @ Feb 15 2005, 12:59 PM)
ashikase has found something that may hint at a SL-3100:

https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=10787
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Wow, just when I ordered the sl-c3000. Probably the check for the sl-c3100 is included for future compatibility though, it says nothing about timing.
bluedevils
My guess based on the Z history books is that the 3100 would not have bluetooth/wifi, but will have a faster CPU (624mhz) and possibly a larger microdrive (5GB?) and/or memory (128MB?). The 5500 -> 5600 and the 700 ->760/860 were mainly upgrades in storage and CPU.

BTW I believe the 3000 was the fabled 960.
nathanwms
Does anyone know whether wifi or BT use is increasing in Japan? Since Sharp is only marketing to Japanese consumers, what they are adopting will be what Sharp includes in future Zaurus models.

I'm with Bluedevils, I bet the next model has more memory, faster processor or larger drive but nothing new added over the 3K.

And what are the chances of a 2.6 kernel?

Hopes, dreams and wishes.......
tg
QUOTE(nathanwms @ Feb 15 2005, 09:32 AM)
Does anyone know whether wifi or BT use is increasing in Japan?  Since Sharp is only marketing to Japanese consumers, what they are adopting will be what Sharp includes in future Zaurus models.

I'm with Bluedevils, I bet the next model has more memory, faster processor or larger drive but nothing new added over the 3K.

And what are the chances of a 2.6 kernel?

Hopes, dreams and wishes.......
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If they do that (processor,memory,hard drive) and also improve battery and/or screen, to me that would count as a major update (even without any built in connectivity). I have 860 model and would certainly upgrade (where as the update to 3000 just did not seem big enough).
bluedevils
I doubt they would change the screen with a name like 3100 and the battery is new so I doubt they would introduce another battery. I figure even the upgrades I mentioned earlier are best case scenarios. Remember how the 860 was a software only upgrade from the 760?

Of course I could be wrong and they take all the features of the 6000w and pack it into a clamshell with 10GB hdd, but sharp's pattern tells me not to get my hopes up.
marshmn
So from what I can tell guys, there is not much point me waiting in the hope of a new model and should just get out my credit card now?

Matt
bluedevils
well it depends what you want. If I had lost all hope, I wouldn't have bought a pocket PC (760 sound module damaged) to tie me over until the next gen Zs come out.
Merardon
Out of curiousity, how well are the Zaurii selling in Japan? Is it very popular? Only moderately popular? I've yet to discover the answer to that question, and I think it's a rather important one, as it's the factor determining how often the line is updated.
iamasmith
QUOTE(Mickeyl @ Feb 15 2005, 11:04 AM)
Understandable. I'm also still hoping for that C960 that never appeared yet. I wonder also if they're going to keep the microdrive approach or if they will come out with any more flash-only models.
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Interested in hearing your views on the use of Microdrive with the small NAND bootloader. Until I got a better picture of the architecture in my own mind I was still favouring the pure flash based OS models.

I recently discovered a posting that discussed a complete recovery process and revealed that the 3000 actually has a complete minimal NAND based Linux distro accessable by cold start with D+B held down so if the HDD does become totally unrecoverable and needs flattening then its possible to do the prep work from this boot environment (handily I now have a hdd1.tar.gz file containing the minimal stuff needed for the first partition too!).

Now that this element of the 3000 has been somewhat decloaked I can see that it is more desirable to have a hack at the environment and produce new ROMs for the 3000 so wasting no time I've ordered mine already - not heard anything back from the supplier yet though.

Personally that 4Gb storage without sacrificing the CF slot for Wifi was just too tempting... it does mean that I'll have to offload the SL-C860 to keep the missus happy that I'm not on a rampant gadget spree though.

It's interesting that the openbsd boys are strides ahead with their port for the 3000 compared to the 860, I guess with all that storage on board it's less of a show stopper to worry about getting that elusive SD driver nailed (yes I know you have that going for the 860 on the 2.6 Kernel - bravo!)

Anyway, apart from your dislike of Embeddix kernels Mickey what are your thoughts on the 3000.
Mickeyl
Since I am a fan of the clamshell design since the C700 appeared, there's not much I would dislike on the C3000. It's a nice machine, although I am worried about how the microdrive reliability works out in practice all-day usage and also I'm disappointed by the lack of built-in WiFi which is - for me personally - a very important feature to have.
Curious Aardvark
apparently the reason sharp don't include wifi and bluetooth in the japanese z's is actually because there are lots of different wireless standards in japan and they don't like nailing their devices down to just the one. And lets face it stick a big sd card in and what else are you going to use the cf slot for ? Hell I keep a 128 mb cf card in just because it fits tighter than the cover that came with the z - I pretty much don't use it.

And before anyone asks I can't remember exactly where I read this but I think it might have been on the japan-direct.com site somewhere.

The thing that puzzles me is: why use an english keyboard and english service menus in a device never intended for sale outside japan ?
I'm bloody glad they did mind, just have no idea why they would :-)
Stubear
QUOTE(iamasmith @ Feb 17 2005, 01:47 AM)
I recently discovered a posting that discussed a complete recovery process and revealed that the 3000 actually has a complete minimal NAND based Linux distro accessable by cold start with D+B held down so if the HDD does become totally unrecoverable and needs flattening then its possible to do the prep work from this boot environment (handily I now have a hdd1.tar.gz file containing the minimal stuff needed for the first partition too!).
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Just a note to the curious, the C760 and C860 (probably C700 and C750 too but I don't know from first hand experience) also have the minimal linux distro accessible by D+B boot-up

QUOTE(Curious Aardvark)
The thing that puzzles me is: why use an english keyboard and english service menus in a device never intended for sale outside japan ?


All keyboards in Japan the I have ever seen (been here 11 years) are based on the qwerty keyboard layout. Most keyboards also have hiragana (Japanese syllables) on the keys but I don't know a single Japanese person that uses them.

The service menus are probably standard for the chip or bootloader and Sharp didn't think anyone would see them (other than their techs) so didn't bother translating them.


I've been toying with the idea of getting a C3k, but like many here I'm concerned about the lifespan of the microdrive. Although the extra space would be very usefull.

Stu
ev1l
QUOTE(Mickeyl @ Feb 16 2005, 10:09 AM)
Since I am a fan of the clamshell design since the C700 appeared, there's not much I would dislike on the C3000. It's a nice machine, although I am worried about how the microdrive reliability works out in practice all-day usage and also I'm disappointed by the lack of built-in WiFi which is - for me personally - a very important feature to have.
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Seriously. The thing is, having a CF slot and connector cards is much more adapted to the japanese market. I don't understand why they didn't bring the 6000 with both wifi and BT to the US.
The only other problem with the Zaurus line is that all the software is closed, and so are the specs. With an open architecture in sync with Trolltech instead of their closed fork (why they ever did that I'll never understand), the Z would be so much more powerful.
marshmn
For me personally, I don't so much mind the fact that I have to use the CF slot for, say, a WiFi card. The only really annoying thing for me is that because I'd like both bluetooth and WiFi, I'm going to have to have two CF cards and switch them as required, carrying the other one around separately etc etc.

I'd also be pretty much happy if there was one CF card which had bluetooth and WiFi in it, but I don't see that happening really...

Matt
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