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eji
I've tried ZauRSS, but it's really rough-looking. I also don't think it supports anything beyond RSS 0.1.

It would be great to see an RSS aggregator/reader like NetNewsWire or NewsFire for the Z. I certainly wouldn't expect all the whistles and bells, but one that supports RSS 2.0 and Atom with an intuitive GUI layout.
totaln00b
I like Feed on Feeds, which is a server-side news aggregator rather than a desk-top. It works on an apache/php/mysql system and is very neat, though the original gui is a bit rough. There is an improved stylesheet for it which makes things a lot tidier though.

http://minutillo.com/steve/feedonfeeds/

Jo
anonuk
Im also on the look out for a good zaurus rss reader, gonna try that feedonfeed solution, thankx
jh
If you've got a server you can run java on, you might check out nntp//rss. It takes RSS feeds and puts them into usenet news format and runs an nntp server. I believe the opie mail reader will read news, as well. I *think* it will connect the news server and download all the new articles, which would allow it to be used disconnected.

I think you can also read the feeds with a browser with nntp//rss, as well, which would probably make clicking on links a lot easier than in the mail app.

jason
tovarish
if you dont mind offline reading sunrise desktop is an awfully good offline rss client which outputs plucker documents. and ofcourse opiereader is a great reader to view these plucker documents

http://laurens.typepad.com/

to get sunrise.

tovarish
eji
QUOTE(tovarish @ Feb 28 2005, 01:45 AM)
if you dont mind offline reading sunrise desktop is an awfully good offline rss client which outputs plucker documents. and ofcourse opiereader is a great reader to view these plucker documents

http://laurens.typepad.com/

to get sunrise.

tovarish
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"There will be no freeware Sunrise versions supporting Plucker for Linux or Mac OS X." I think a lot of people on this forum will steer clear of Sunrise for this very reason.

The sever-dependent RSS readers are good alternatives, I suppose, but my wish is to see just a plain ol' RSS aggregator and newsreader for the Z without having to rely on anything external.
dtruchan
I use JPluck, the predecessor of sunrise, to make Plucker documents from RSS feeds.
The readme says you need Java 1.4.2, I use 1.5.0.
I've used it daily for quite some time now and couldn't be more pleased. biggrin.gif
ashikase
You might try DmBlogger, a ruby-based RSS agregator for the Zaurus:
http://wiki.digitalmorning.net/?DmBlogger

It's Japanese only, but it's not hard to figure out how to use it.

It (unfortunately) requires that multiple ipks be installed:
dmblogger_1.3.0-1_arm.ipk
ruby_1.8.0-1_arm.ipk
ruby-qte_0.5.2_arm.ipk
ymxml_0.4.9-1_arm.ipk
rbuconv_0.1.2-1_arm.ipk
libcrypt_0.9.6k-1_arm.ipk

I haven't used it extensively, so I can't really comment on how well it works, but it's probably worth checking out.

- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
anonuk
thank you ashikase i find this software really useful. I am doing an english translation of the scripts (although i dont understand any of the japanese) which seems to work fine, if anyone wants it i can upload the scripts i changed.

Finally a half decent rss reader for the zaurus....
lardman
That would be useful, I was thinking about a news plugin for opie-today (inspired by nilch's post about using Opera as a UI)...


Si
eji
QUOTE(anonuk @ Mar 6 2005, 05:07 AM)
thank you  ashikase i find this software really useful. I am doing an english translation of the scripts (although i dont understand any of the japanese) which seems to work fine, if anyone wants it i can upload the scripts i changed.

Finally a half decent rss reader for the zaurus....
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I'd really like to have the English translations -- and a few installation hints, too, as I've no idea how to do it.

Thanks for the the suggestion, ashikase.
eji
After using DMBlogger for a few days, I'm reporting back to say it's very close to what I was looking for. I'd like to be able to view the full entries in Opera instead of NetFront and I'd naturally prefer the menu info in English (I'm getting big, ugly blocks instead of Japanese), but it meets all my basic needs. I was able to easily import all my present feeds as an OMPL file... very handy.
ashikase
DMBlogger is written in Ruby, so you should be able to change the text strings by editing the dmblogger files - assuming you can determine which file contains the string (there are many), and which string corresponds to which menu item.

As for it opening with opera, I took a quick look at the source and I think I found the solution: for DMBlogger (version 1.3.0) on line 52 of /home/QtPalmtop/bin/dmblogger/gui/berryrssdescviewwidget.rb, the program calls a qcop command:
CODE
system("qcop QPE/System \"execute(QString,QString)\" netfront3 #{@rssIten.getLink()}")

Changing "netfront3" to "opera" should do the trick.

- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
ArchiMark
Hi anonuk,

I'd be interested in those scripts too....

Thanks,

Mark

QUOTE(anonuk @ Mar 5 2005, 09:07 PM)
thank you  ashikase i find this software really useful. I am doing an english translation of the scripts (although i dont understand any of the japanese) which seems to work fine, if anyone wants it i can upload the scripts i changed.

Finally a half decent rss reader for the zaurus....
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eji
Thanks to ashikase, I found an easy way to make an English translation.

In the same location (/home/QtPalmtop/bin/dmblogger/gui/), open the individual widget files in an application like BBEdit.

Toward the top you'll see something like this:

@itemMenu.insertItem(tr("*&*^%^ (&N)"), self, "new()", CTRL+Key_N)
@itemMenu.insertItem(tr("*&^&*%^$£@ (&P)"), self, "post()", CTRL+Key_P)

Replace the Japanese characters and odd symbols within the parenthetical quotes with the text after "self," i.e., "post," "new." After this, on the primary GUI, you should get something like RSS ®, Configure © and Tools (T) as your main menu headings, with Update Feed (G), Update all feeds (A) and Cancel RSS update (X) under the first, and so on.

If anyone finds this too complicated, I could post the individual widget files somewhere for easy downloading.

Incidentally, changing "netfront3" to "opera" does the trick.
JohnKiniston
QUOTE(eji @ Feb 24 2005, 12:58 AM)
I've tried ZauRSS, but it's really rough-looking. I also don't think it supports anything beyond RSS 0.1.

It would be great to see an RSS aggregator/reader like NetNewsWire or NewsFire for the Z. I certainly wouldn't expect all the whistles and bells, but one that supports RSS 2.0 and Atom with an intuitive GUI layout.
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http://www.elsix.org/index.php?w=project&p=jvMiniRSS

QuackNews is new and works on my 5500 under OZ, It's Java based.
Moonshadow
QUOTE(JohnKiniston @ Mar 29 2005, 05:54 AM)
http://www.elsix.org/index.php?w=project&p=jvMiniRSS

QuackNews is new and works on my 5500 under OZ, It's Java based.
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Works on Cacko too.
As John said its new and the developer is open to sugestions for fixes/features.
eji
I gave QuackNews a whirl. It's new and it shows. It's as rough-looking as ZauRSS and it gave me quite a bit of hassle (resolution, .conf file error etc) on the SL-6000.

DMblogger, which was suggested earlier in this thread, is excellent. I've been using it since ashikase pointed it out and I'm very pleased. It's a lot more polished than QN and it also has a blogging feature for those of you who have Moveable Type sites. I love seeing new Z apps appear and dedicated developers behind them, but it's going to be a while before QN is on par with DMB. When it is, though, I'll certainly give it another try. smile.gif
Moonshadow
QUOTE(eji @ Mar 31 2005, 11:03 AM)
I gave QuackNews a whirl. It's new and it shows. It's as rough-looking as ZauRSS and it gave me quite a bit of hassle (resolution, .conf file error etc) on the SL-6000.


Did you let the Guy know you had a problem?

I dont think he has access to a 6000 to test it so I'm sure he'd appriciate the feedback.
Strijar
What about http://liferea.sourceforge.net/ ?
I want try build for pdaXrom...
ensign
QUOTE(eji @ Mar 11 2005, 06:40 PM)
After using DMBlogger for a few days, I'm reporting back to say it's very close to what I was looking for.
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hi eji,
I am not able to sucessfully use DMBlogger. It installed ok. I went through the *.rb to replace the unreadables (Japanese) to English using the function names as a guide. After adding a rss site. The CTRL_G function fails to update. It returns an error. I am not sure if it something to do with file permissions. Any pointers
Thanks.
eji
QUOTE(ensign @ Apr 13 2005, 05:59 PM)
QUOTE(eji @ Mar 11 2005, 06:40 PM)
After using DMBlogger for a few days, I'm reporting back to say it's very close to what I was looking for.
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hi eji,
I am not able to sucessfully use DMBlogger. It installed ok. I went through the *.rb to replace the unreadables (Japanese) to English using the function names as a guide. After adding a rss site. The CTRL_G function fails to update. It returns an error. I am not sure if it something to do with file permissions. Any pointers
Thanks.
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There are a bunch of Ruby-related files that you have to install in addition to the DMblogger ipkg. I think ashikase listed them in one of his posts above. Did you install those as well?

If so, the problem might be that you changed a term that you shouldn't have, resulting in the refresh error. Or your text editor is altering the format when saving them. I can post my widget files for you to copy into /home/QtPalmtop/bin/dmblogger/gui/ -- but keep in mind I'm still running 1.3.0-1, not the newer 1.3.1. Because it's such a pain the bum to convert it all to English, I'm only going to update out of necessity. tongue.gif
Mongoosefred
QUOTE(eji @ Mar 31 2005, 10:03 AM)
I gave QuackNews a whirl. It's new and it shows. It's as rough-looking as ZauRSS and it gave me quite a bit of hassle (resolution, .conf file error etc) on the SL-6000.


eji,
Sorry to hear about the problems. Can you do me a favour and give me a list of the issues you had with QuackNews. As was mentioned, I only have access to a SL-5500 runing OZ so any feed back from a completely different system would be a great help.

Also if there any killer features that stop you, or anyone else, from wanting to use QuackNews I'd love to hear about them, I'm adding a page download feature at the moment, to download the URL linked to the Item and hope to add Atom support for verson 0.5 as well, but anything else that people think would be good will help me.

At the end of the day, a product is only as good as the people who come up with the ideas for the features, so all ideas welcome.

-MF
tovarish
There is this feature I would like in QuackNews. It is a bit complicated so i'll try and explain.

this is the NYtimes op-ed feed
http://www.nytimes.com/services/xml/rss/nyt/Opinion.xml

this is a sample article link
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/14/opinion/...&partner=rssnyt

this is the same article's printer friendly format link
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/14/opinion/...print&position=

You can see that the printer friendly format is more suited for viewing in a pda and the difference in the urls is "&pagewanted=print&position=".
What I would like is a bit of light scripting support (maybe javascript or ecma) within quacknews so that rss links could be changed to something more pda friendly.
Most websites have a printer friendly page.

I know it is asking too much but it would be a great functionality for a pda based rss reader.

tovarish
eji
QUOTE(Mongoosefred @ Apr 14 2005, 10:00 AM)
QUOTE(eji @ Mar 31 2005, 10:03 AM)
I gave QuackNews a whirl. It's new and it shows. It's as rough-looking as ZauRSS and it gave me quite a bit of hassle (resolution, .conf file error etc) on the SL-6000.


eji,
Sorry to hear about the problems. Can you do me a favour and give me a list of the issues you had with QuackNews. As was mentioned, I only have access to a SL-5500 runing OZ so any feed back from a completely different system would be a great help.

Also if there any killer features that stop you, or anyone else, from wanting to use QuackNews I'd love to hear about them, I'm adding a page download feature at the moment, to download the URL linked to the Item and hope to add Atom support for verson 0.5 as well, but anything else that people think would be good will help me.

At the end of the day, a product is only as good as the people who come up with the ideas for the features, so all ideas welcome.

-MF
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No worries. I've been meaning to e-mail you the list of errors as suggested above but I was alternately too lazy and too busy.

The resolution is for 320x480. When I run it as unmaginified, it shrinks the size of the window to about 1/3 of my screen size. It also kept reporting an "error reading .conf file," even when I ran it as root.

Sorry to say that after these problems I immediately uninstalled it, so I can't report on any more.

I'm no good at programming and weak at diagnostics, but I can make you a new icon (maybe borrowing from Adium) if you like.
Moonshadow
QUOTE(tovarish @ Apr 14 2005, 11:17 AM)
There is this feature I would like in QuackNews. It is a bit complicated so i'll try and explain.

What I would like is a bit of light scripting support (maybe javascript or ecma) within quacknews so that rss links could be changed to something more pda friendly.
Most websites have a printer friendly page.

I know it is asking too much but it would be a great functionality for a pda based rss reader.

tovarish
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I suspect that each site has diffrent setup which would be best for PDA's so it would be dificult to get the "best" page from each site...

For example:

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/04/1...e_of_ownership/
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/04/1...ship/print.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4443569.stm
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools...ion/4443569.stm

http://news.google.com/
http://news.google.com/news?ned=tus
Mongoosefred
QUOTE(Moonshadow @ Apr 14 2005, 10:37 AM)
QUOTE(tovarish @ Apr 14 2005, 11:17 AM)
There is this feature I would like in QuackNews. It is a bit complicated so i'll try and explain.

What I would like is a bit of light scripting support (maybe javascript or ecma) within quacknews so that rss links could be changed to something more pda friendly.
Most websites have a printer friendly page.

I know it is asking too much but it would be a great functionality for a pda based rss reader.

tovarish
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I suspect that each site has diffrent setup which would be best for PDA's so it would be dificult to get the "best" page from each site...

For example:

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/04/1...e_of_ownership/
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/04/1...ship/print.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4443569.stm
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools...ion/4443569.stm

http://news.google.com/
http://news.google.com/news?ned=tus
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Thanks for the surgestions. I was already thinking along these lines, but didn't know how much of a requirement it would be. I'll give it some thought and see if I can do it at the same time as the page downloading.
-MF
tovarish
QUOTE(Moonshadow @ Apr 14 2005, 11:37 AM)



yes each site has its own way to show the printer friendly links but its nothing a regex search and replace cannot solve.


QUOTE(Mongoosefred @ Apr 14 2005, 12:36 PM)
Thanks for the surgestions.  I was already thinking along these lines, but didn't know how much of a requirement it would be.  I'll give it some thought and see if I can do it at the same time as the page downloading.
-MF
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The idea is not original as it has been implemented in sunrise, an offline browsing tool outputting plucker documents. I am pasting sample scripts sunrise uses.

For NYTimes
CODE
<script>
    document.onanchorlink = function(link)
    {
 if (link.depth == 1)
 {
     // Append "printable version" parameter to query string
     link.uri += "&pagewanted=print";
 }
    };
</script>


for washington post
CODE
<script>
    document.onanchorlink = function(link)
    {
 if (link.depth == 1)
 {
     link.uri = link.uri.replace("http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/", "http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/");
     link.uri = link.uri.replace(".html?nav=rss_world", "?language=printer");
 }
    };
</script>


Sunrise has been developed in java so this functionality may not be too difficult.

If you need any help, I'll be glad to assist. I am a bit of a java programmer myself

tovarish
ensign
tovarish

I did install all the ipks listed earlier in the thread.

I may have been overzealous in converting to english. I actually when through all the subdirectories under /home/QtPalmtop/bin/dmblogger/*. Overkill, I know.

I will appreciate it if you send me (or make available to download) your version of /home/QtPalmtop/bin/dmblogger/* - maybe compressed, to try out.

Thanks.
eji
QUOTE(ensign @ Apr 14 2005, 02:12 PM)
tovarish

I did install all the ipks listed earlier in the thread.

I may have been overzealous in converting to english. I actually when through all the subdirectories under /home/QtPalmtop/bin/dmblogger/*. Overkill, I know.

I will appreciate it if you send me (or make available to download) your version of /home/QtPalmtop/bin/dmblogger/* - maybe compressed,  to try out.

Thanks.
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I've attached the entire gui folder as a .zip archive. Just unzip it and drop it in to /home/QtPalmstop/bin/dmblogger/ to replace the old one. Should work, I hope. Also keep in mind that I haven't translated everything, just the basic daily-use stuff.

Click to view attachment
ensign
eji

Thanks for the files. I am have still not be able to succesfull update a single feed. Might be something to do with the way I am using the software.

This is what I am doing.

Step (a) Menu->C->N

Url = http://www.sky.com/skynews/rss/article/0,,31500-1-100,00.xml
Category = General

Step (cool.gif Click OK

Step © CTRL-G

[%Bar at bottom-right moves 25%....]

Step(d)
CLick on http://www.sky.com/sky.... in left side window. "Last Update:" has no value. Right window is blank


Is there something I am missing?

Thanks.
eji
QUOTE(ensign @ Apr 14 2005, 05:22 PM)
eji

Thanks for the files. I am have still not be able to succesfull update a single feed. Might be something to do with the way I am using the software.

This is what I am doing [...]
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I'm having the same problem as you are when I try that link. Looks like that particular URL is screwy because Sky's world news headlines (http://www.sky.com/skynews/rss/article/0,,30200-1-100,00.xml) work perfectly.
ensign
eji

Thanks again. That particular link does not seem to work. My other rss links work fine.

Thanks.
ensign
Does anyone know how to stop DmBlogger from killing itself after launching a web browser (opera in my case)? Maybe a variation on

system("qcop QPE/System \"execute(QString,QString)\" opera #{@rssItem.getLink()}")

Thanks.
ken
QUOTE(Mongoosefred @ Apr 14 2005, 12:00 AM)
Also if there any killer features that stop you, or anyone else,  from wanting to use QuackNews I'd love to hear about them, I'm adding a page download feature at the

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I just tried QuackNews 0.4.1, and have a few thoughts ...

1-it requires that you install it in the main memory. It'd be nicer if I could install it on my SD or CF card.
2-I'm not sure how others feel about this, but launching it should automatically grab and sync feeds. In fact, it'd be nice if it then displayed the respective pages in some kind of order (the less steps in viewing the feeds, the better).
3-I noticed that the browser must be launched. ok, I can deal with that. It then lists the feeds. Rather than that, I'd prefer to simply have all the feed information shown right away. I then have to click on the feed, and it then retrieves the feed. It should already have done that for me, so I don't have to spend too much time. For me, I'd like to pop in and pop out.
eji
Ken, I don't know if you've given it a shot yet, but I'd highly recommend DMblogger, which has been discussed on this thread quite a bit. The new version 1.3.2 (plus my slipshod English translation) has all the features you're requesting for QuackNews.

I also don't want anyone to get the impression that I'm pooh-poohing QN. Ideally, I'd like both to keep upping the ante. smile.gif
ken
QUOTE(eji @ May 12 2005, 12:38 AM)
I also don't want anyone to get the impression that I'm pooh-poohing QN. Ideally, I'd like both to keep upping the ante. smile.gif
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Yes, I just installed DM and I find it has all the things I talked about, including installing on the SD thing. I'm commenting on QN so he can improve his product. He might want to look at DM, as it's not bad. The good thing about QN is it's one product, as opposed to the many things that need to be installed (thanks).

Oh, and I did install your gui files. Glad you did it. I only spotted the new version because you posted a message about it.
Mongoosefred
QUOTE(ken @ May 12 2005, 10:08 AM)
I just tried QuackNews 0.4.1, and have a few thoughts ...

1-it requires that you install it in the main memory.  It'd be nicer if I could install it on my SD or CF card.
2-I'm not sure how others feel about this, but launching it should automatically grab and sync feeds.  In fact, it'd be nice if it then displayed the respective pages in some kind of order (the less steps in viewing the feeds, the better).
3-I noticed that the browser must be launched.  ok, I can deal with that.  It then lists the feeds.  Rather than that, I'd prefer to simply have all the feed information shown right away.  I then have to click on the feed, and it then retrieves the feed.  It should already have done that for me, so I don't have to spend too much time.  For me, I'd like to pop in and pop out.
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Thanks for the idea's Ken, I'll see what I can do.
1. Not that sure what it is that makes an app able to be installed on a card and not just the main memory, if anyone does, please PM me.
2. Think this will need to be a user configurable option, I'm thinking either a command line option, therefore you could have two links, one to auto sync and one to manual sync, or a application property, any preferances?
3. If I list all the feed items in one page, this will make one large HTML page. I was thining, would you prefer a global setting, all items in a single page or a per feed setting? I thinking global, but I don't think I'd use it, so don't really mind.

I really think that QN and DM have a place.
The aim of QN is to create something that can be used on as many different platforms as possible, and in the long run I hope to port it to J2ME MIDP/CLDC so it'll work on phones/palmos devices/etc...
If QN and DM can push each other, learning and improving, then everyone gains.
At the end of the day, OS projects are there for the users, if no one luses it, what's the point?

Please keep posting your impressions and idea's, oh and PLEASE tell me when you find a bug, I know there are some, but if no one tells me about them, I can't fix them...
-MF
jochen-02
QUOTE(Mongoosefred @ May 13 2005, 02:33 PM)
I really think that QN and DM have a place. 
The aim of QN is to create something that can be used on as many different platforms as possible, and in the long run I hope to port it to J2ME MIDP/CLDC so it'll work on phones/palmos devices/etc...

You shout at least make the application adaptive to the screen resolution. I am shure there is a way to find out, that for example a SL C1000 has 640x480 pixels. If you don't know how to do that -- what about making it a configurable item?
lpotter
Could try this one.
http://qtopia.net/packages/ARCHOS/AV500/Qrss_2.1.2_arm.ipk

Will work on sharp roms, qtopia 2.1 roms and of course, the Archos device.
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