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TRIsoft
Hi everyone,

what are we doing with every new Zaurus model ?

Disassemble it biggrin.gif !

So we can finally stop the speculations about the connector
for a microdrive: There is none !
Pics of the SL-C1000 mainboard are here !
Compare it with the SL-C3000 here.

SL-C3000 HDD connector : PIC
SL-C1000 same spot : PIC

Yes, there're a lot of solder points, but i wouldn't try to add a connector.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
iamasmith
It also seems to be missing some PGA component near where the 3000 has its CF interface.

The component label is unreadable on the 3000 picture but I suspect this is related to the CF card and it looks like a lot more soldering than just the connector.
jomo
I don't know. It might be interesting to build a hybrid. As Trisoft pointed out, the solder points are there. It appears that some of the speculation is correct. A 128 MB flash-chip has been installed in place of the 16 MB. If you were a hand at soldering, you could have your cake and eat it too with a 128 MB flash-based system and a supplementary HDD. You'd have a device that worked much like the 760 and 860 with a Microdrive for storing all your MP3s and other sundries and a free CF slot for wireless, if that was your taste. Of course, you'd have to somehow find out what sort of controller chip the Sharpies were using. I myself like the HDD, cause it sure beats carrying half-a-hundred SD cards to hold my music, but I also like the fast boot-time of my 860. In any event, I am NOT a hand at soldering. biggrin.gif
jomo
'Nother thing that just occured to me... There are whole cottage industries associated with 'mod-chipping' play-stations and X-boxes to do things the manufacturer didn't intend/want the end-user to be able to do (like play Japan-only titles). I could easily see a similar "cottage-industry" devoted to mod-chipping C1000s. They'd be better than the 3000 in my opinion. You could (more) easily get Cacko or Oz or Xrom onto the device with 128 Meg of flash. You'd keep the fast-boot capability, since you wouldn't be booting off the HDD, and you'd have the whole 4 GB for storage. Pretty cool idea. Now, if only I could solder. rolleyes.gif
albertr
Well, Sharp is pissing me off again. All I can say...
Thanks for the pics, btw.
-albertr
Antikx
Thanks for the pics TRIsoft.

I think I will buy the C1000. (Until I change my mind again)
kahm
Pretty much what I expected. With the relatively low price point of the 1000 there was no way they'd leave the CF connector in there.

So the last question that I have is: Are the cases similar enough to be able to swap a 3000 into the sexy black c1000 case? Yes, I'm insane, but I love the black case soooo much! smile.gif I need the 4gb drive of the 3000, though. There's a good chance I can dump my 860 for a decent price and upgrade to the 1000 - I suspect that the cases will be compatible but I'd hate to go to the effort just to find out they're not.
adf
planning to sell the collateral white-case 1k cheap? drop a line smile.gif
xjqian
It looks to me straight enough to add the controller onto it. Just soldering it (the right model) onto the board, right? Shame on sharp wasting such a big space over there.
adf
business op for trisoft&streamline?

find a way to mount a cf slot into the side of the battery well, connect it up and sell a 1000+? or pop in wireless or bluetooth? same idea, value-added 1k? Made in bulk, enhanced 1k's might be a good value, and a good return for the company. I would buy a 3 slot clamshell z within the year if one were made (and priced reasonably)
xjqian
QUOTE(adf @ Mar 25 2005, 05:29 PM)
business op for trisoft&streamline?

find a way to mount a cf slot into the side of the battery well, connect it up and sell a 1000+? or pop in wireless or bluetooth? same idea, value-added 1k? Made in bulk, enhanced 1k's might be a good value, and a good return for the company. I would buy a 3 slot clamshell z within  the year if one were made (and priced reasonably)
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great idea. I would pay 1000 base price + (up to maybe $200) for such a thing. Any takers?
kahm
QUOTE(adf @ Mar 25 2005, 09:36 PM)
planning to sell the collateral white-case 1k cheap? drop a line smile.gif
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Nah. The plan has always been to have 2 clamshell Z's. I was going to go with 2 860s, then I found out that the new model (what turned out to be the 3000) was announced just as I bought my first. I was going to settle for the 3000 and the 860, but instead I'll go for a 3000 and a 1000 and swap the cases.

At least until the next one gets announced. =)
maslovsky
QUOTE(xjqian @ Mar 26 2005, 01:19 AM)
It looks to me straight enough to add the controller onto it. Just soldering it (the right model) onto the board, right? Shame on sharp wasting such a big space over there.
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As soon as I get my C1000, I'm planning to add an internal CF connector. I have a friend of mine who can easily sodler one, assuming the C1000 uses the same PSB and contacts on the board are indeed connected...
guylhem
maslovsky - you will need a chip that isnt there, just behind the CF connector. looks like a controller. It won't work without one.
jomo
Anton, if you go through with this, you really HAVE to post a play-by-play of the process (finding the components, the soldering, etc.). As I indicated in my post above, this would be VERY cool.
TRIsoft
QUOTE(maslovsky @ Mar 26 2005, 10:54 AM)
As soon as I get my C1000, I'm planning to add an internal CF connector....
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O M G !
Anton,
please work on a nice CackoRom before destroying
your brand new C1000 blink.gif .

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
Antikx
is there enough space to put an extra batter in that empty space? doubling the battery life would be really great.
technojunkie
mmmmm...... extra internal CF or double battery cap!?! Such a difficult decision.

I would like to upgrade, but clamshell and usb host just aren't quite enough of an excuse. Extra battery or adding internal CF might cut it tho smile.gif
kahm
QUOTE(technojunkie @ Mar 30 2005, 06:13 PM)
mmmmm......  extra internal CF or double battery cap!?! Such a difficult decision.

I would like to upgrade, but clamshell and usb host just aren't quite enough of an excuse. Extra battery or adding internal CF might cut it tho smile.gif
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But, you're upgrading from a 5500, right?

You get:
VGA screen
Faster processor
Bigger keyboard
At least double the 5500's battery life
Clamshell
and USB host.

biggrin.gif

More than a worthy upgrade. Especially since the C1000 is cheap compared to other Z's. When I bought my 860 almost 6 months ago, I got a great deal on it - ~$570 Canadian. Now I'm getting the C1000 for ~$490 Canadian ph34r.gif (and a C3000 for ~$700 Canadian - ouch!).

Having a Super-1000 (SL-S1000? How about SL-C1000 Type R smile.gif ) would really be nice, though smile.gif I'd definitely go for the internal CF slot. If I need *that* much batter power, I can use my external power pack and get ~20 hrs out of it.
technojunkie
I'll admit tho that the C-xx0 series just didn't have what it takes to make me upgrade but the 3000(too much money) and the 1000(actually affordable for me) are VERY tempting. It's just a shame that I'm broke.
Antikx
kahm....
I live in Canada too. Were are you getting the good price on the the C1000 (if you don't mind me asking).
Quote: "Now I'm getting the C1000 for ~$490 Canadian"
kahm
QUOTE(Antikx @ Mar 31 2005, 10:40 PM)
kahm....
I live in Canada too. Were are you getting the good price on the the C1000 (if you don't mind me asking).
Quote: "Now I'm getting the C1000 for ~$490 Canadian"
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It's called "my buddy lives in Japan right now and his girlfriend is going to mule it back when she visits" smile.gif She left a few days ago, and she's getting back the evening of the 3rd. She's also going to be bringing a C3000 and an CE-RH2 remote.

The store my friend would buy it from lists it at 43050Y, which is about $485 Can. The best part is I can still warranty them even after he leaves Japan, because he has friends there we can send them to smile.gif

I'm going to case-swap the 3000 and the 1000, so my 3000 will be in sexy black instead of Ipod white.
Antikx
cool. i'm glad you are getting them for such a good price.
I will probably get a c1000 in summer from conics (currently about $700CAN), unless I find an ebay deal.
I hope someone can make a CF or battery connector that goes in that empty space in the C1000.
Just out of curiosity... where in Canada are you? I'm in Winnipeg.
kahm
QUOTE(Antikx @ Apr 1 2005, 02:52 AM)
cool. i'm glad you are getting them for such  a good price.


Not half as glad as I am, I'm sure smile.gif The Z has utterly spoiled me - I may never be able to buy a North American PDA again sad.gif Fortunately, the 3000 is as close to my ideal as things are likely to get for a while. If Sharp pulls something with more ram or built in wi-fi out of their hats this summer I'll be tempted to upgrade again, but that's about it.

QUOTE
I will probably get a c1000 in summer from conics (currently about $700CAN), unless I find an ebay deal.
I hope someone can make a CF or battery connector that goes in that empty space in the C1000.


Given the difficulty of that particular modification, I doubt it. Between sourcing the parts required and the surface mount soldering of the chip and socket, Super-1000s will be very few and far between.

QUOTE
Just out of curiosity... where in Canada are you? I'm in Winnipeg.
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Sunny Edmonton, Alberta. Most of my family is from Virden, though.
maslovsky
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Mar 27 2005, 12:46 AM)
QUOTE(maslovsky @ Mar 26 2005, 10:54 AM)
As soon as I get my C1000, I'm planning to add an internal CF connector....
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O M G !
Anton,
please work on a nice CackoRom before destroying
your brand new C1000 blink.gif .

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
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Don't worry Marc, I'm not going to do that myself smile.gif I'm no good at such things, but a friend of mine should be able to do that easily. He's been reparing Zauriis with broken charging circuts, burned processors and corrupted NAND Flash chips smile.gif

BTW, we're about to perform a 128 Mb RAM upgrade to his C860 smile.gif As soon as we find the memory chips we need (seems to be very tricky), he's going to do the hardware part and me - the software (kernel patching, etc.)
grog
QUOTE(Antikx @ Mar 31 2005, 08:52 PM)
Just out of curiosity... where in Canada are you? I'm in Winnipeg.
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Hey, hi there Antikx. I live in the 'peg too. Amazing how near & far the Z brings us all together! smile.gif
ZDevil
QUOTE(kahm @ Mar 31 2005, 03:59 PM)
I'm going to case-swap the 3000 and the 1000, so my 3000 will be in sexy black instead of Ipod white.


kahm, FYI:
(In Chinese, but the pics just tell the whole story)
This guy has swapped the cases of C1k and C3k, PLUS replaced C3k's MD with a 2GB CF.
kahm
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Apr 2 2005, 11:27 AM)
QUOTE(kahm @ Mar 31 2005, 03:59 PM)
I'm going to case-swap the 3000 and the 1000, so my 3000 will be in sexy black instead of Ipod white.


kahm, FYI:
(In Chinese, but the pics just tell the whole story)
This guy has swapped the cases of C1k and C3k, PLUS replaced C3k's MD with a 2GB CF.
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Damn. And here I was hoping to be the first to actually bother happy.gif

Nice pics - definitely helpful for doing the swap. I wonder how well that 2gb CF worked out - I haven't seen anyone attempt that before, either.

I've still got ~23hrs to wait till I get my hands on mine!
bluedevils
BTW would anyone know why there seem to be marks on the silver column the hinge is connected to? Is this from the modification or something else?

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Apr 2 2005, 06:27 AM)
kahm, FYI:
(In Chinese, but the pics just tell the whole story)
This guy has swapped the cases of C1k and C3k, PLUS replaced C3k's MD with a 2GB CF.
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kahm
QUOTE(bluedevils @ Apr 3 2005, 01:51 AM)
BTW would anyone know why there seem to be marks on the silver column the hinge is connected to?  Is this from the modification or something else?


I can't tell. Blowing up the pics make it look like he's got scotch tape on there for some reason. Ask me again in ~21hrs or so.
ZDevil
Here are two detail step-by-step records of the memory surgery :

http://forum.palmislife.com/viewthread.php...highlight=c3000 (in Chinese, done by the same guy in the previous post)
http://www.ayati.com/kobako/c3kanso.htm (in Japanese, it is a replacement with a 5GB MD in C3k)
ZDevil
QUOTE(kahm @ Apr 2 2005, 07:10 PM)
QUOTE(bluedevils @ Apr 3 2005, 01:51 AM)
BTW would anyone know why there seem to be marks on the silver column the hinge is connected to?  Is this from the modification or something else?


I can't tell. Blowing up the pics make it look like he's got scotch tape on there for some reason. Ask me again in ~21hrs or so.
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... My guess is the tape is used to protect the hinges from scratches when turning the screen.
kahm
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Apr 3 2005, 12:12 PM)
QUOTE(kahm @ Apr 2 2005, 07:10 PM)
QUOTE(bluedevils @ Apr 3 2005, 01:51 AM)
BTW would anyone know why there seem to be marks on the silver column the hinge is connected to?  Is this from the modification or something else?


I can't tell. Blowing up the pics make it look like he's got scotch tape on there for some reason. Ask me again in ~21hrs or so.
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... My guess is the tape is used to protect the hinges from scratches when turning the screen.
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Don't think so. The teflon pads on the screen are closer to the swivel point than the tape. In fact one picture clearly shows rub-marks on the chrome from them.

Nice to see that it is possible to change the drive in the Z easily. Can't wait for MD prices to start coming down now!
Altt
I wonder where the guy from that that first link got his zauri . I really hope that he wasnt the one who broke the plastic by the hinge with the SHARP tag on it.I could almost understand breaking one by mistake, but there is a chunk missing from both of them in the same spot (the left hand side of the sharp tag)! ph34r.gif
kahm
QUOTE(Altt @ Apr 4 2005, 09:16 PM)
I wonder where the guy from that that first link got his zauri . I really hope that he wasnt the one who broke the plastic by the hinge with the SHARP tag on it.I could almost understand breaking one by mistake, but there is a chunk missing from both of them in the same spot (the left hand side of the sharp tag)!  ph34r.gif
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AH HA!

That explains the tape in the earlier photos.

Those hinges aren't broken. You can see the tab sticking out of the dark patch that activates the screen closed switch. What's going on is that he's covered *all* the chrome on the Z with scotch tape, probably to protect it against scratches when he's monkeying with the motherboards. The tabs look broken because he's cut the tape around that area so it won't interfere with the switches. He's used 4 pieces of tape, 2 on each side, and the seam we were looking at earlier is where they're joined together. There is another piece going across the sharp logo, with the cut out around the screen switch.
Altt
QUOTE(kahm @ Apr 4 2005, 06:14 PM)
AH HA!

That explains the tape in the earlier photos.

Those hinges aren't broken. You can see the tab sticking out of the dark patch that activates the screen closed switch. What's going on is that he's covered *all* the chrome on the Z with scotch tape, probably to protect it against scratches when he's monkeying with the motherboards. The tabs look broken because he's cut the tape around that area so it won't interfere with the switches. He's used 4 pieces of tape, 2 on each side, and the seam we were looking at earlier is where they're joined together. There is another piece going across the sharp logo, with the cut out around the screen switch.
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You are totally correct.I couldnt see that it was the spot without tape till I copied it and blew it up. laugh.gif
akpoff
QUOTE(kahm @ Apr 4 2005, 02:14 PM)
AH HA!

That explains the tape in the earlier photos.

Those hinges aren't broken. You can see the tab sticking out of the dark patch that activates the screen closed switch. What's going on is that he's covered *all* the chrome on the Z with scotch tape, probably to protect it against scratches when he's monkeying with the motherboards. The tabs look broken because he's cut the tape around that area so it won't interfere with the switches. He's used 4 pieces of tape, 2 on each side, and the seam we were looking at earlier is where they're joined together. There is another piece going across the sharp logo, with the cut out around the screen switch.
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Interesting idea but I've had bad luck with Scotch tape on electronics. On my Palm V I put Scotch tape over the grafitti area to protect it, which it did. I've never been able to get it off and was unwilling to try chemicals or sharp edges to assist.

On my Zaurus 5600 I put tape around the edges of the flipscreen to keep it from scratching the case any worse than it already had (no real help there!). I've never been able to get it off. I *did* try chemicals on that -- let's not talk about the results. blink.gif Fortunately I had detached the flipscreen before doing so.

For the 6000 I bought a nice leather case. cool.gif
ZDevil
FYI again:

The guy in the Chinese forum says the scotch tape is just to prevent fingerprints and sweat, not out of the fear to scratch the paint.

Yet he insists on using the scotch tape of the highest quailty that will leave no stain even after a long time.

He also comes up with an interesting calculation of the costs incurred: buying and swapping just the case (despite the fact that the dark case is not available for sale for now) is actually more expensive and time-consuming than buying a brand new C1000 and applying the surgery. A C1k/C3k Mod is still worth quite a lot of money in auctions.
kahm
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Apr 7 2005, 09:59 AM)
FYI again:

The guy in the Chinese forum says the scotch tape is just to prevent fingerprints and sweat, not out of the fear to scratch the paint.


On plastic chrome? It isn't like fingerprints and oil are going to damage it, and the tape looks worse than the fingerprints would. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE
Yet he insists on using the scotch tape of the highest quailty that will leave no stain even after a long time.


But of course. Nothing but the best for the Z smile.gif

QUOTE
He also comes up with an interesting calculation of the costs incurred: buying and swapping just the case (despite the fact that the dark case is not available for sale for now) is actually more expensive and time-consuming than buying a brand new C1000 and applying the surgery.  A C1k/C3k Mod is still worth quite a lot of money in auctions.
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Worth a lot in auctions? Does this guy do these things wholesale and sell them on eBay or something? I'd love to see what a black 3000 goes for ohmy.gif
ZDevil
QUOTE(kahm @ Apr 7 2005, 07:49 AM)
On plastic chrome? It isn't like fingerprints and oil are going to damage it, and the tape looks worse than the fingerprints would.  rolleyes.gif


Can't confirm that. At least the swivel has left no marks on the hinge of my C860. Some keys on the keyboard got a bit chipped though tongue.gif (already used more than 1 year). So, why bother?

QUOTE(kahm @ Apr 7 2005, 07:49 AM)
But of course. Nothing but the best for the Z smile.gif

I can't agree any more with you!

QUOTE(kahm @ Apr 7 2005, 07:49 AM)
Worth a lot in auctions? Does this guy do these things wholesale and sell them on eBay or something? I'd love to see what a black 3000 goes for  ohmy.gif
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No, he keeps the Black C3000. That's what his C1000 is for -- just to be skinned. So instead there may be a white C1000 poping up somewhere... laugh.gif
cybernetseraph
me rues the fact he has no money and cannot case swap his 3K



I Hope a Company starts selling cases, as i can't convince meself to buy a 1K simply to swap cases... yet


damn being a student!

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kahm
QUOTE(cybernetseraph @ Apr 10 2005, 05:08 PM)
me rues the fact he has no money and cannot case swap his 3K



I Hope a Company starts selling cases, as i can't convince meself to buy a 1K simply to swap cases... yet


damn being a student!

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Sharp really seems to have opened a can of worms with this one! smile.gif I'll have to actually go through with swapping mine soon, or I'll end up being the last one to do it tongue.gif

It's unlikely that a company will ever start selling cases. It is only really practical because these are identical machines and all you have to do is move the motherboard from one to another. If a third party started making cases you'd have to swap the screen, they'd have to supply the keyboard keycaps, etc. Plus, it isn't like doing a playstation case swap - PDA's are such intricate little beasts that it will probably be too expensive for someone else produce something that isn't crap.

And no, I don't ever expect Sharp to produce empty cases themselves.
Jonathan
Hi all,

Just for information, you can get most bits of the C3000 case here:

Zaurus shop in Japan

I expect the black C1000 case parts to turn up some time soon.

Mind you, when you add up the (4, I think) parts you need it's not going to be very cheap.

I've bought from these guys recently and everything came quickly and neatly packaged.


Jonathan
(Who likes the white case of his C3000 and won't open it up until after the warranty expires... probably)
kahm
QUOTE(Jonathan @ Apr 11 2005, 06:35 AM)
Hi all,

Just for information, you can get most bits of the C3000 case here:

Zaurus shop in Japan

I expect the black C1000 case parts to turn up some time soon.

Mind you, when you add up the (4, I think) parts you need it's not going to be very cheap.

I've bought from these guys recently and everything came quickly and neatly packaged.


Jonathan
(Who likes the white case of his C3000 and won't open it up until after the warranty expires... probably)
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Well, I'll be damned. Never expected to see that. I didn't see the keyboard in there, but I just skimmed through it. Very neat site, though.

Oh well. I wanted 2 Z's anyway =)
offroadgeek
QUOTE(Jonathan @ Apr 10 2005, 10:35 PM)
Hi all,

Just for information, you can get most bits of the C3000 case here:

Zaurus shop in Japan

I expect the black C1000 case parts to turn up some time soon.

Mind you, when you add up the (4, I think) parts you need it's not going to be very cheap.

I've bought from these guys recently and everything came quickly and neatly packaged.


Jonathan
(Who likes the white case of his C3000 and won't open it up until after the warranty expires... probably)
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thanks for the link to that great site! I want one of those PDA stands for the 1000, but I can't seem to order it on the site (I don't read japanese, and it doesn't seem to work through babelfish)

hmm... anyone have more info on these stands?
nathanwms
ORG,

Here's that site run through Excite Translator. Hope you can get a little more info from this:


..".. PDA for Zaurus SL-C3000/1000 STAND" Debut.

「PDA STAND for SL-C3000/1000」

Appearance of PDA stand.
PDA stand is taken and thing used is addition ..PDA of assumption.. keyboard
On desk SHARP Zaurus SL-C3000/1000 that cry with definitive edition of PDA is high
The bold concept under was developed use while put on the car.
It fixes to the dashboard of on the desk and the car with a double-faced tape of the attachment, and variety.
It can access information.
It is Acse in the Internet because it can use it together with the CF card such as PHS cards.
Sing can enjoy oneself driving while acquiring information.
It is composed of parts with very high accuracy manufactured at the factory in Japan.
The solid one that a movable part endures the use of a long term is adopted.
Metallic parts are multiused in consideration of the commodity characteristic that the stability when setting it up is demanded.
Weight has been given. Feeling of quality and weight feeling only of metal product
It doesn't fix with the double-faced tape on the desk to say nothing of the stability improvement in car.
It has and it is possible to do for Tsca.

Correspondence: SL-C3000/1000

Commodity type turn: PH-12
Special price \3980
(including tax)
speculatrix
QUOTE(maslovsky @ Apr 1 2005, 07:07 AM)
BTW, we're about to perform a 128 Mb RAM upgrade to his C860 smile.gif  As soon as we find the memory chips we need (seems to be very tricky), he's going to do the hardware part and me - the software (kernel patching, etc.)
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Anton, did this work?

I'm torn between wanting to get my 860 upgraded in some way, or buying a 1000/3000 instead and seeing what magic can be done with them.
speculatrix
QUOTE(maslovsky @ Mar 26 2005, 09:54 AM)
As soon as I get my C1000, I'm planning to add an internal CF connector. I have a friend of mine who can easily sodler one, assuming the C1000 uses the same PSB and contacts on the board are indeed connected...
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Having looked carefully at both boards, I am wondering if it might not be easier to upgrade the flash in the C3000 instead?

Shame Sharp didn't bring out a 4000 model at the same time as the 1000, only with more ROM and RAM :-/ (if every time someone on OESF bemoaned Sharp's lack of insight they added 1MB, we'd have a 1GB zaurus :-)
maslovsky
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Apr 15 2005, 06:20 PM)
QUOTE(maslovsky @ Apr 1 2005, 07:07 AM)
BTW, we're about to perform a 128 Mb RAM upgrade to his C860 smile.gif  As soon as we find the memory chips we need (seems to be very tricky), he's going to do the hardware part and me - the software (kernel patching, etc.)
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Anton, did this work?

I'm torn between wanting to get my 860 upgraded in some way, or buying a 1000/3000 instead and seeing what magic can be done with them.
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We're still looking for the memory chips
guylhem
Try toshiba USA - I could find some chips there. However the problem is now finding a way to receive them

Part number is th58100tg or th58100ft (identical). If someone can purchase them I'd be happy to paypal the chips.
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