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qbert
Hello everybody, I am a longtime HP 200LX (DOS) and HP Jornada 720 (WinCE) user and I am seriously considering a move to to the SL-C series.

I have a few questions and was wondering if the helpful people on this forum could answer them.

#1 There seem to be a lot of different software environments for the Zaurii. I'm wondering if you could tell me the pluses and minuses of each of these:

* Built-in Sharp Qtopia
* Cacko (enhanced Qtopia?)
* pdaX (X11 for Zaurus)
* Debian Arm
* GPE
* Opie

#2 Also, does power management work well on all of them? I support PCs (and use Linux on my desktop and laptop) and have noticed that many portable computers do not have good power management in Linux.

#3 How reliable is the hard drive on the 3000? If the palmtop somehow was dropped or fell off a desk, would my data be hosed?

#4 Aside from a slightly faster processor, is there really any hardware difference between the 1000 and the 860?

#5 How good is the build quality on the Zaurii? My Jornada 720 is horrible in this respect and has had to go in for repairs 5 times since I bought it in 2001. Does the screen rotating feature break?

#6 How fast can you type on these things? I can get about 70wpm on my HP palmtops. If I have something in the CF slot, does it make it harder to type?

#7 How readable are the screens? Can you read them in sunlight? How about for gaming? Are they fast enough for it?

#8 How fast is the pdaX ROM? Does it take forever to start up Firefox or Gaim?

#9 Are there any tabbed terminal programs available?

#10 What kind of audio applications are available for the Zauri?

Thanks in advance for any replies! smile.gif
Chaos
I can answer a few of these.

2: It should work on everything except maybe Debian. Also note that Cacko and pdaXrom aren't on the C1000/3000s yet.

4: The C1000 has less ROM compatibility currently, and 128 MB internal flash, instead of the 64 of the C860.

5: Quite high quality hardware, in my opinion.

7: The screens are supposedly nice on the C-series, but also supposedly not very good in sunlight.

8: Firefox supposedly takes a while to start. I believe that Minimo (Mini Mozilla) works on pdaXrom though. Gaim is a smaller application and shouldn't take too long to start.

9: Yes. For Qtopia there is, and I'm pretty certain there would be on pdaXrom too.
kahm
[quote=qbert,Apr 10 2005, 10:06 PM]
Hello everybody, I am a longtime HP 200LX (DOS) and HP Jornada 720 (WinCE) user and I am seriously considering a move to to the SL-C series.
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There are apparently a lot of long time 200LX users moving quite happily to the Cxxx(x) series Zaurii.

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I have a few questions and was wondering if the helpful people on this forum could answer them.

#1 There seem to be a lot of different software environments for the Zaurii. I'm wondering if you could tell me the pluses and minuses of each of these:

* Built-in Sharp Qtopia
* Cacko (enhanced Qtopia?)
* pdaX (X11 for Zaurus)
* Debian Arm
* GPE
* Opie
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Sharp - Qtopia 1.5. It works. Looks kinda ugly. Straight English translation is pretty good, but you're stuck with a little bit of Japanese here and there.

Cacko - Qtopia 1.5 - Sharp rom compatible, Looks great, 100% English translation. Better support for wireless/BT/etc. Probably the most popular replacement rom.

PDAXrom - Based on X11. You can compile most X based apps for it. Cons - it's still in heavy development. It is getting there, but requires work to get going nicely. You can't run most Zaurus software.

Debian ARM - Full linux distro that runs on the Z. X server is slow because it doesn't have acceleration, but I think you can combine it with PDAXrom. Takes a *lot* of space. The C3000 is the best suited Z for it, due to the hard drive.

GPE - A version of OZ (OE?) that runs with an X server. I'm not even sure it is available for the C series. Even if it is I think development is lagging on it. If you want X stick with PDAXrom or Debian.

Opie - The main verson of OZ/OE. More modern compiler, work being done on 2.6 kernel, a fork of the open source Qtopia from Trolltech. Also under heavy development. Lots of people use it without too many issues, but YMMV. It has compatibility problems with software intended for Sharp Roms. You can get some of it running using compatibility libs (like Opera), but stability becomes an issue.

AFAIK, Cacko and/or Sharp are the most stable (because they are basically the same.)

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#2 Also, does power management work well on all of them? I support PCs (and use Linux on my desktop and laptop) and have noticed that many portable computers do not have good power management in Linux.
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Power management works fine. The Z's come from the factory with Linux on them, so it is tailored for proper power management.

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#3 How reliable is the hard drive on the 3000? If the palmtop somehow was dropped or fell off a desk, would my data be hosed?
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If it wasn't accessing the drive, you'll be fine dropping it off the desk. I'd be more worried about the screen. The microdrives are pretty rugged. For concrete examples you can look up the Hitachi 4gb drive on the net to get the specs. They're also used in all sorts of mp3 players like the iPod mini. I suspect you'll be more likely to kill the entire Z before you'd be able to kill just the drive.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't make backups, though.

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#4 Aside from a slightly faster processor, is there really any hardware difference between the 1000 and the 860?
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Faster processor, much nicer keyboard, slightly bigger battery, and USB host suport if you have a mini-a to Male-A cable. The 860 is a little smaller and lighter.

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#5 How good is the build quality on the Zaurii? My Jornada 720 is horrible in this respect and has had to go in for repairs 5 times since I bought it in 2001. Does the screen rotating feature break?
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I'd be carefull with the SD slot - that seems to be the most common problem that I've seen. There were sound issues on the 760's as well. I've used my 860 every day for 6 months and there's no sign of any problems. My 5000d is over 4 years old now and it's still working perfectly.

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#6 How fast can you type on these things? I can get about 70wpm on my HP palmtops. If I have something in the CF slot, does it make it harder to type?
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You can't touch type on them unless you have *very* small hands. I don't remember how big the 200LX keyboard is. Thumbboarding on them can close 40WPM.

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#7 How readable are the screens? Can you read them in sunlight? How about for gaming? Are they fast enough for it?
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In the shade or artificial light, the screen will utterly kick the a** off of any screen you've every seen on a palmtop. Their only weakness is sunlight - they're still plenty readable when you turn the brightness up, though. I used mine as a map wandering around Kyoto without trouble. It isn't something you'd want to sit and read for hours in direct sunlight.

The screens are plenty fast for gaming and video. Extremely sharp, good contrast, great colour, no blur.

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#8 How fast is the pdaX ROM? Does it take forever to start up Firefox or Gaim?
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PDAXrom itself is pretty usable. Firefox is a hefty program for the little Z, though. It's been posted that the start times are over a minute, but it is quite usable when loaded.

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#9 Are there any tabbed terminal programs available?
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embeddedkonsole is tabbed. Comes by default in Cacko, and probably Opie too.

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#10 What kind of audio applications are available for the Zauri?
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As in playback? Lots of differnet things will play OGG and MP3. If you mean sequencing, etc, not much. There was a thread not long ago about using the C64 emulator for playing SIDs.

Hmm. Too many quoted sections seems to break the forum. tongue.gif
kahm
QUOTE(Chaos @ Apr 10 2005, 10:46 PM)
I can answer a few of these.

2: It should work on everything except maybe Debian. Also note that Cacko and pdaXrom aren't on the C1000/3000s yet.

4: The C1000 has less ROM compatibility currently, and 128 MB internal flash, instead of the 64 of the C860.

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Cacko for the Cx000s will be coming very soon now. (See sig ph34r.gif )

The C1000 and the 860 (and 760 for that matter) both have 128mb of Flash - they are identical in that regard. It is the 750 and 700 are the ones with 64mb flash.
qbert
Thanks, everyone for the replies. I've got more questions!

* Is there any map software (USA) out there for the Z?

* To Kahm: How is the 1000/3000 keyboard better than the 860's?

* Any Opie users care to share their experiences and/or troubles? How is it better/worse than Cacko/Sharp?

* How loud are the speakers?

* In the non-X ROMs, which browser is the most compatible? Does the system slow down when you have a lot of tabs open (you can have tabs, right?)

* Do any Zaurii have internal microphones?

* How good is the battery life if I were to use one of those Symbol CF wifi cards?

* Are you ever dissastisfied with the speed of your Z when running Qt Embedded apps?

* Can I create a password that's activated on powerup?

* Is the latest Hancom Word any good?

* What's the best way to buy a Z? If I flashed the built-in ROM out, would that void my importer's warranty?

* Is it possible to replace the 3000's built in HD with another one or a flash card?

* Do any of the X roms have handwriting recognition? Do they work on the x000s?

Thanks again for the help. This forum is really a great resource.
lardman
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GPE - A version of OZ (OE?) that runs with an X server. I'm not even sure it is available for the C series. Even if it is I think development is lagging on it. If you want X stick with PDAXrom or Debian.

Opie - The main verson of OZ/OE. More modern compiler, work being done on 2.6 kernel, a fork of the open source Qtopia from Trolltech. Also under heavy development. Lots of people use it without too many issues, but YMMV. It has compatibility problems with software intended for Sharp Roms. You can get some of it running using compatibility libs (like Opera), but stability becomes an issue.


GPE runs on the C7/8x0 without troubles.

GPE and Opie are just two GUIs for the OpenZaurus base distro. The Openzaurus is by far the most up to date distro for the Zaurus. OpenZaurus c8/7x0 machines can use the old 2.4.18 kernel or the nice, new 2.6.11 kernel. Work supporting the 2.6 kernel on the other machines is underway. OZ also runs on the 5000D, 5500, 5600, the 6000, and work is underway to support the C1/3k machines. I might have missed others out by accident.

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* Any Opie users care to share their experiences and/or troubles? How is it better/worse than Cacko/Sharp?


IMHO, far, far better - faster with far more software available. The only issue is that there's no decent spreadsheet app available (OZ uses a different, faster implemenation of floating point emulation than the Sharp ROMs do, so hancom-sheet doesn't work). Opera can be run via the compat libs. I've had no stability issues (in fact I've had far fewer troubles with OZ than I did with Cacko/Sharp ROMs/pdaXrom. Draw your own conclusions.

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Do any of the X roms have handwriting recognition? Do they work on the x000s?


Yes, I understand that GPE has some form of full screen recognition. I don't know much about it though, sorry. And as I said above, it runs on the c8/7x0 machines (as well as the 5500/5000D/etc.).


Si
kahm
QUOTE(qbert @ Apr 11 2005, 06:29 AM)
* To Kahm: How is the 1000/3000 keyboard better than the 860's?

* How loud are the speakers?

* Do any Zaurii have internal microphones?

* Are you ever dissastisfied with the speed of your Z when running Qt Embedded apps?

* Can I create  a password that's activated on powerup?

* Is the latest Hancom Word any good?

* Is it possible to replace the 3000's built in HD with another one or a flash card?

Thanks again for the help. This forum is really a great resource.
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The old keyboards were a plastic membrane sheet across the whole top of the Z, with thicker plastic squares for "keys". It feels okay, with a bit of flex, but visually it is less than impressive. The new keyboard is more traditionaly, with a solid plastic top with individual keys, and a much firmer feel. They've added a decicated control key, and changed the arrow keys to a d-pad, much like what was originally used in the older Zaurii. In general, the new keyboard are definitely much nicer.

The 1000/3000 have external speakers and are noticably louder and clearer than the 860. The 860's speaker is hidding in the body somewhere, without an external grill. You aren't going to be breaking anyone's eardrums with one of these - think portable transistor radio or travel alarm clock.

I think the 6000 has a mike. None of the clamshell models do. What they use is the left stereo channel when recording. Plugging in a regular external mike should work, or speak into your left earbud on your headphones. smile.gif

The Zaurus security app lets you set a power-on passcode.

Hancom word isn't too bad as long as you consider it more of a replacement for Wordpad than Microsoft Word. Speed is pretty good (Slow for loading large documents, but once they're loaded it is fine.) I use both it and Textmaker for the Zaurus.

There is a link elsewhere in the forums that points to someone's page where they both swapped the case on the 3000 for a black one, and replaced the internal HD with a 2gb CF card.
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