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Meanie
I will consider building the jumbo package if there is sufficient interest tongue.gif
sriley
Simplifying installation of multiple packages is always a Good Thing, IMO.
ArchiMark
While I think it's been a great (and sometimes painful..) learning experience to install things manually, as sriley says it's probably good to have another choice for those that can't install by themselves...

Mark
nathanwms
Meanie, I say 'build it and they will come.' OK, I may not have been the first to say it. The easier it is for newbies to take advantage of the hardware features and available software options for the Zaurus the more people it will attract and that would be great.
oncle-dave
I Think it's good idea .. laugh.gif



Oncle-Dave.
KwaiFeh
a package would really help us newbies. specially those of us afraid of bricking the new expensive toys and being too dumb to fix them. I'm still a bit of a chicken to do the more extensive software mods..
osx4zaurus
Please do. I keep meaning to install this but haven't gotten around to assembling all the packages.
Meanie
well ok, seems like lots of people want it, so I am going to do it once I get back from Brisbane (going tomorrow)
However, I need some volunteers to be guinea pigs/testers smile.gif Anyone feel lucky enough?
Also, once the package has been tested successfully, I will need a place to host it as well...
oncle-dave
If it's possible , i want to be a Beta Tester rolleyes.gif


oncle-dave
sriley
I'd test it, too.
robertcloud
QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 3 2005, 03:30 PM)
I will consider building the jumbo package if there is sufficient interest tongue.gif
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It would be fantastic if you could simplify the x/qt pocketworkstation installation. I would be more than happy to help out if I could.
Drantin
Consider me in (btw: this is the same person that emailed you via your on.net addy...)
Meanie
I am back home and have build the jumbo package. It's 15 MB in size.

osx4zaurus has offered to host the file so I will be sending him the package first for him to put up on his site. Then a few of you will receive the secret link to the beta package for testing.
Once it is tested and xqt can be installed successfully with this package (and all the install bugs have been eliminated) the link will be made known to everyone.
cmpayc
Meanie,

I would test it to.

Best regards

cmpayc (@mail.ru)
Meanie
Some of you will have private messages with a link to the jumbo package for beta testing if you are still interested in testing. hopefully it will be a very smooth and pleasant experience (albeit very slow and long one since there are lots of files being installed)
tovarish
which packages it is made up of. are you compiling stuff or picking them up from the xqt feed. if you afre compiling then could you include a package for gaim please....

tovarish
BramK
Meanie,

In case you need another tester. It is time I start doing something useful with the C3000, thus consider me available.

BramK.
Meanie
QUOTE(BramK @ Jun 13 2005, 10:40 PM)
Meanie,

In case you need another tester. It is time I start doing something useful with the C3000, thus consider me available.

BramK.
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So far the test has been very positive so I expect to be able to release the package really soon.

I have repackaged firefox as well in a QT friendly way so in theory, anyone with sharp/cacko rom should be able to install xqt jumbo package and firefox (provided they have sufficient space)
any volunteers to test this? should also work with c1000, c860, etc...
Meanie
QUOTE(tovarish @ Jun 13 2005, 09:59 PM)
which packages it is made up of. are you compiling stuff or picking them up from the xqt feed. if you afre compiling then could you include a package for gaim please....

tovarish
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I just repackaged and combined files from the two xqt feeds and pdaxrom feed so once this package is installed, you got X/Qt and GTK installed with the target being able to install and run Mozilla Firefox and Debian PocketWorkstation.

You should be able to install gaim quite easily, although there are a lot of packages for gaim just like Xqt. Maybe an optional jumbo gaim package would be a good idea to supplement the xqt jumbo package.
mtnkill
QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 14 2005, 10:22 PM)
any volunteers to test this? should also work with c1000, c860, etc...


I'll test. I have a c1000.
Meanie
QUOTE(mtnkill @ Jun 15 2005, 01:03 PM)
QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 14 2005, 10:22 PM)
any volunteers to test this? should also work with c1000, c860, etc...


I'll test. I have a c1000.
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great smile.gif check your pm.
osx4zaurus
Here are my experiences with the package. I initially tried it on the older stock sharp rom and installation finished. It did report the "this package seems to depend on other packages, please install them" message. I then installed a version of firefox from pdaxrom. X worked, but firefox started the "select a new user" dialog and insisted that the "default" user was already in use. Creating a new user failed because of file permissions. I then started an xterm (NICE!) and su to root and ran firefox. It ran find as root. Eventually I ran into a problem where the screen would not respond to input and rebooted. After this I got the hd1 error and zaurus would not boot. I booted to single user mode, reformatted hd1 and reinstalled hd1 from a tar backup. I then upgraded to the newest sharp stock kernel. I left the machine in stock japanese and installed the packages. Same problem at startup with firefox. Another file permission problem causes the startx icon to fail after the first shutdown of X - the authority files from the old session are not cleared and can't be over written so X won't restart. You can force a restart from a shell. With the new rom I experienced no problems except those related to file permissions.

On another note - does anyone have an idea what the speed difference between running X/Qt and native X (say pdaxrom) is? I also noticed that firefox refused to do downloads because "not enough memory available"

The package is almost ready - just some file permission changes and maybe inclusion of a few other X apps and possibly matchbox? Thanks Meanie!!
beowolf
QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 15 2005, 12:53 PM)
QUOTE(mtnkill @ Jun 15 2005, 01:03 PM)
QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 14 2005, 10:22 PM)
any volunteers to test this? should also work with c1000, c860, etc...


I'll test. I have a c1000.
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great smile.gif check your pm.
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Hi Meanie,

Do you need anymore C3000 testers?
Meanie
I think the xqt jumbo package is working nicely now for the C3000 model. firefox has a few issues but they are not xqt related.
I also have 1 tester for a c860 and the results look promising for that too so it looks like the package will be fine for c3000/c1000/c860. other models might work, but will need keyboard remappings.

Does anyone know whether it is possible to move this thread over to the X/qt section or do I need to create a new thread there?
KwaiFeh
QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 14 2005, 09:28 PM)
I just repackaged and combined files from the two xqt feeds and pdaxrom feed so once this package is installed, you got X/Qt and GTK installed with the target being able to install and run Mozilla Firefox and Debian PocketWorkstation.

You should be able to install gaim quite easily, although there are a lot of packages for gaim just like Xqt. Maybe an optional jumbo gaim package would be a good idea to supplement the xqt jumbo package.
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I would really look forward for an gaim package. biggrin.gif
Greg2
QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 16 2005, 07:57 AM)
Does anyone know whether it is possible to move this thread over to the X/qt section or do I need to create a new thread there?

Meanie, just click on Report at the bottom of your post and request that it be moved by someone with admin. options.

Greg
asola
QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 16 2005, 12:57 PM)
I think the xqt jumbo package is working nicely now for the C3000 model. firefox has a few issues but they are not xqt related.
I also have 1 tester for a c860 and the results look promising for that too so it looks like the package will be fine for c3000/c1000/c860. other models might work, but will need keyboard remappings.

Does anyone know whether it is possible to move this thread over to the X/qt section or do I need to create a new thread there?
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Hi Meanie,

When do you plan to make the package public? I just had to reset my Cacko3Kb1 installation and would be happy to have XQt installed so easily.
ArchiMark
Hi Meanie,

Well, like asola, I am ready to try your jumbo package as something is not working now with my X/Qt/Debian setup....

I tried out QuantumSTEP on my Z and it works but I think it must have changed something. Now, X/Qt/Debian is not working when I try to start it up...

So either I try your jumbo package or will need to do manual install again....

However, one question for you please....

I installed X/Qt/Debian to my microdrive on my C3000 instead of using a external storage card. Can I do this with your jumbo package??

Thanks!

Mark
Meanie
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Jun 20 2005, 11:42 PM)
Hi Meanie,

Well, like asola, I am ready to try your jumbo package as something is not working now with my X/Qt/Debian setup....

I tried out QuantumSTEP on my Z and it works but I think it must have changed something. Now, X/Qt/Debian is not working when I try to start it up...

So either I try your jumbo package or will need to do manual install again....

However, one question for you please....

I installed X/Qt/Debian to my microdrive on my C3000 instead of using a external storage card. Can I do this with your jumbo package??

Thanks!

Mark
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The jumbo package only installs X/Qt. The debian package is next if I have time.
For your problem, you should only need to reinstall the debian-startscripts. Quantumsteps overwrote your .xinitrc file.
ArchiMark
Thanks as always for your help, Meanie!

Will try reinstalling the debian-startscripts....

*** If I do try installing your jumbo package can I install it to my internal drive or only to external storage card like SD or CF ???

Thanks,

Mark

QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 21 2005, 05:04 AM)
The jumbo package only installs X/Qt. The debian package is next if I have time.
For your problem, you should only need to reinstall the debian-startscripts. Quantumsteps overwrote your .xinitrc file.
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QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Jun 20 2005, 11:42 PM)
Hi Meanie,

Well, like asola, I am ready to try your jumbo package as something is not working now with my X/Qt/Debian setup....

I tried out QuantumSTEP on my Z and it works but I think it must have changed something. Now, X/Qt/Debian is not working when I try to start it up...

So either I try your jumbo package or will need to do manual install again....

However, one question for you please....

I installed X/Qt/Debian to my microdrive on my C3000 instead of using a external storage card. Can I do this with your jumbo package??

Thanks!

Mark
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Meanie
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Jun 21 2005, 11:13 PM)
Thanks as always for your help, Meanie!

Will try reinstalling the debian-startscripts....

*** If I do try installing your jumbo package can I install it to my internal drive or only to external storage card like SD or CF ???

Thanks,

Mark

QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 21 2005, 05:04 AM)
The jumbo package only installs X/Qt. The debian package is next if I have time.
For your problem, you should only need to reinstall the debian-startscripts. Quantumsteps overwrote your .xinitrc file.
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QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Jun 20 2005, 11:42 PM)
Hi Meanie,

Well, like asola, I am ready to try your jumbo package as something is not working now with my X/Qt/Debian setup....

I tried out QuantumSTEP on my Z and it works but I think it must have changed something. Now, X/Qt/Debian is not working when I try to start it up...

So either I try your jumbo package or will need to do manual install again....

However, one question for you please....

I installed X/Qt/Debian to my microdrive on my C3000 instead of using a external storage card. Can I do this with your jumbo package??

Thanks!

Mark
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The jumbo package install to internal drive without any problems at all. Not sure whether it installs to sd/cf, never tried it myself.

so far it has been tested successfully on c3000 and c860. still having problems on c1000 sad.gif
ArchiMark
Thanks for clarifying, Meanie!

Mark


QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 21 2005, 06:23 AM)
The jumbo package install to internal drive without any problems at all. Not sure whether it installs to sd/cf, never tried it myself.

so far it has been tested successfully on c3000 and c860. still having problems on c1000 sad.gif
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QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Jun 21 2005, 11:13 PM)
Thanks as always for your help, Meanie!

Will try reinstalling the debian-startscripts....

*** If I do try installing your jumbo package can I install it to my internal drive or only to external storage card like SD or CF ???

Thanks,

Mark
ArchiMark
Hi Meanie,

Well....things have not gone as well as I'd hoped regarding getting X/Qt/Debian reinstalled using your jumbo package....

Have noticed a few strange things...wonder what you think is going on...here's what I did:

1) Deinstalled my previous installation

2) Installed your jumbo package, like others got error message that 'install depended upon some other items...'.

3) Noticed that I have 'Pocket Workstation(Debian)' icon and 'StartX' icon but no 'X Server' icon like in previous manual installation.

Is this supposed to be that way??

4) Followed your website Debian install instructions and installed your 'Debian startup scripts'. However, when I click PocketWorkstation icon, it only gets as far as the X 'rxvt window opening....no Debian/iceWM opens up.

I tried typing in that window:
CODE
$xlauncher debian
$
qtApInit
Display size = 480x640
could not open translation file /home/QtPalmtop//i18n/ja_JP.eucJP/libsl.qmid
qtRandRRotate(270)
_XSERVTransSocketINETCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed
_XSERVTransMakeALLCOTSServerListener: server already running

Fatal Server Error:
Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running
failed to set locale, reverting to "C"
rxvt: Setting locale failed.
BScreen::BScreen: an error occured while querying the X server.
another window manager is already running on display :0.0.
Blackbox::Blackbox: no manageable screens found, aborting

waiting for X server to shut down


Wondering if I need to install XServer manually??

Also, do I need to install Blackbox manually??

What do you suggest??

Thanks for your help!

Mark
Meanie
I still havent figured about which library is complaining about the dependencies but the library complaining is definately not needed so I just need to remove it from the package once I find which the offending library is.

I moved the X Server icon to the Settings Tab smile.gif

The jumbo package includes the debian startup scripts so installing that package just overwrote it with the same files I hope smile.gif

Make sure you were using the 0.3 version of the debian startup scripts (which is the same as the one in the jumbo package) It looks like you may have installed an older version (0.2) of the debian startup scripts. If that is the case, simply uninstall the debian scripts and put the newer 0.3 debian-startup scripts in.

The other errors you got were because you tried to run X from within X. xlauncher should only be run from outside the X environment. I should add a check to it and make sure it only runs when its not in X.




QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Jun 22 2005, 10:15 AM)
Hi Meanie,

Well....things have not gone as well as I'd hoped regarding getting X/Qt/Debian reinstalled using your jumbo package....

Have noticed a few strange things...wonder what you think is going on...here's what I did:

1) Deinstalled my previous installation

2) Installed your jumbo package, like others got error message that 'install depended upon some other items...'.

3) Noticed that I have 'Pocket Workstation(Debian)' icon and 'StartX' icon but no 'X Server' icon like in previous manual installation.

Is this supposed to be that way??

4) Followed your website Debian install instructions and installed your 'Debian startup scripts'. However, when I click PocketWorkstation icon, it only gets as far as the X 'rxvt window opening....no Debian/iceWM opens up.

I tried typing in that window:
CODE
$xlauncher debian
$
qtApInit
Display size = 480x640
could not open translation file /home/QtPalmtop//i18n/ja_JP.eucJP/libsl.qmid
qtRandRRotate(270)
_XSERVTransSocketINETCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed
_XSERVTransMakeALLCOTSServerListener: server already running

Fatal Server Error:
Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running
failed to set locale, reverting to "C"
rxvt: Setting locale failed.
BScreen::BScreen: an error occured while querying the X server.
another window manager is already running on display :0.0.
Blackbox::Blackbox: no manageable screens found, aborting

waiting for X server to shut down


Wondering if I need to install XServer manually??

Also, do I need to install Blackbox manually??

What do you suggest??

Thanks for your help!

Mark
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ArchiMark
Thanks for your reply, Meanie!

Yes, I see the X Server icon now in the Settings Tab smile.gif

I checked and I did use the '0.3' version of the debian startup scripts... blink.gif

I had a feeling that I wasn't supposed to run X from within X.... rolleyes.gif

Hmmm....so what do you suggest now???

Should I try going through all your steps in your Debian instructions again??

If so, what should I do if anything, before doing that??

Or????

Also, remembered one more strange thing....now I can't turn off my C3000 with the On/Off button!!

Don't know if this has to do with installing jumbo package or de-installing previous X/Qt/Debian install or QuantumSTEP or ???..... In fact, after I click the On/Off button, Z freezes up now....then have to reset Z and reboot.... huh.gif

Thanks for any help.

Mark

QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 21 2005, 07:22 PM)
I still havent figured about which library is complaining about the dependencies but the library complaining is definately not needed so I just need to remove it from the package once I find which the offending library is.

I moved the X Server icon to the Settings Tab smile.gif

The jumbo package includes the debian startup scripts so installing that package just overwrote it with the same files I hope smile.gif

Make sure you were using the 0.3 version of the debian startup scripts (which is the same as the one in the jumbo package)  It looks like you may have installed an older version (0.2) of the debian startup scripts. If that is the case, simply uninstall the debian scripts and put the newer 0.3 debian-startup scripts in.

The other errors you got were because you tried to run X from within X. xlauncher should only be run from outside the X environment. I should add a check to it and make sure it only runs when its not in X.
asola
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Jun 22 2005, 03:43 AM)
Thanks for your reply, Meanie!

Yes, I see the X Server icon now in the Settings Tab smile.gif

I checked and I did use the '0.3' version of the debian startup scripts... blink.gif

I had a feeling that I wasn't supposed to run X from within X.... rolleyes.gif

Hmmm....so what do you suggest now???

Should I try going through all your steps in your Debian instructions again??

If so, what should I do if anything, before doing that??

Or????

Also, remembered one more strange thing....now I can't turn off my C3000 with the On/Off button!!

Don't know if this has to do with installing jumbo package or de-installing previous X/Qt/Debian install or QuantumSTEP or ???..... In fact, after I click the On/Off button, Z freezes up now....then have to reset Z and reboot.... huh.gif

Thanks for any help.

Mark

QUOTE(Meanie @ Jun 21 2005, 07:22 PM)
I still havent figured about which library is complaining about the dependencies but the library complaining is definately not needed so I just need to remove it from the package once I find which the offending library is.

I moved the X Server icon to the Settings Tab smile.gif

The jumbo package includes the debian startup scripts so installing that package just overwrote it with the same files I hope smile.gif

Make sure you were using the 0.3 version of the debian startup scripts (which is the same as the one in the jumbo package)  It looks like you may have installed an older version (0.2) of the debian startup scripts. If that is the case, simply uninstall the debian scripts and put the newer 0.3 debian-startup scripts in.

The other errors you got were because you tried to run X from within X. xlauncher should only be run from outside the X environment. I should add a check to it and make sure it only runs when its not in X.

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The on/off problem may be due to the sudo package which kills the Advanced Power Management on the Zaurus. See the thread about it, it is recent.
ArchiMark
Thanks for the tip about the sudo package, asola!

Will check out that post....would be nice to be able to turn off my Z again....
rolleyes.gif

Mark

QUOTE(asola @ Jun 22 2005, 01:51 AM)
The on/off problem may be due to the sudo package which kills the Advanced Power Management on the Zaurus. See the thread about it, it is recent.
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kooie
Hi Meanie,

Thanks for helping us with this jumbo package as well as the informative site. I am rather new to Linux, and have been having some problems with the installation of X/QT on my C3K. Any chance of getting a hold of the Jumbo Package to see if that might work? Thanks in advance for your help.
bam
hmmm no updates? dang getting 3100 sooon, they should arrive fairly quick. The x/qt+debian install will definately be my first go, then firefox/thunderbird/openoffice. I'm so excited I cant stand myself.
Ragnorok
- Last bit wrt the C1000 was "troubles". Any news? (grin)
mtnkill
QUOTE(Ragnorok @ Jun 28 2005, 10:20 PM)
- Last bit wrt the C1000 was "troubles".  Any news?  (grin)
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I was testing the C1k jumbo install, and was able to get around the 'troubles'. You need ~30M flash free in order to install. Pango was also failing a dependency check (libexpat.so.0), but that wasn't critical to getting the X environment up. I believe meanie was going to fix that anyway.

The firefox bundle installed fine, but didn't start for me (waited over 7 min. for it to start before giving up).

shane
orange
Does the jumbo pack run on Cacko 12.3b1 on a 3k? If yes where can I get it?
sw2geeks
Same Here, I would love to get my hands on the jumbo pack if it runs on the 3k with cacko rom.
ArchiMark
Yes, jumboxqt runs on C3K with Cacko3Kb1.23...

HTH,

Mark
sw2geeks
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Jul 4 2005, 05:40 PM)
Yes, jumboxqt runs on C3K with Cacko3Kb1.23...

HTH,

Mark
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Great, is there a download link to try it out?
ArchiMark
Yes, there is a download link, sw2geeks, but Meanie needs to give it to you...it's secret.... cool.gif

Mark
Meanie
The package is now in its 0.6 revision and I have been able to get more pdaXrom applications to work with it. So far I have successfully tested it with Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp, Abiword and Ethereal and apps from the X/Qt feeds like dillo and sylpheed naturally work as well.

Also, many people have been helping me test as well and we have it working on the following models:

C3000
C1000
C3100
C860

more info can be found here:

http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Runnin...g_jumbo_package
orange
QUOTE(Meanie @ Jul 7 2005, 01:28 PM)
The package is now in its 0.6 revision and I have been able to get more pdaXrom applications to work with it. So far I have successfully tested it with Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp, Abiword and Ethereal and apps from the X/Qt feeds like dillo and sylpheed naturally work as well.

Also, many people have been helping me test as well and we have it working on the following models:

C3000
C1000
C3100
C860

more info can be found here:

http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Runnin...g_jumbo_package
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sounds very nice but where can I get it? biggrin.gif

thx for the work Meanie and all the testers
perseus
I'd like to try out this package also. How do I get it?

Thanks.
chuckster
Ditto for me too. What's the secret link?
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