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someonehoi


Surprise Black Color Again!
C3100 upgraded to Flash128MB(C3000 flash16MB).
And It bundles a series of English and GOLF laugh.gif learning software.

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pgas
hmm, once again I don't feel the urge to replace my 860 ....
omega
I agree PGAS... and I like it! Nothing like having something, and not wanting the newer stuff (as it's not much better)..

I would like usb host though........ What's the point of 128MB Flash?
omega
Oh! You can put the whole OS on the FLASH, and thus you don't have the slow microdrive startup performance that bugs people with a c3000... that was a smart move by Sharp.
ashikase
It looks like the biggest feature is that it includes a bunch of software that used to be sold separately.

I wonder if this is the surprise that TRISoft was talking about appearing in 17 days?

- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
Sna
and no wireless sad.gif
Lauter
Yes, It will have wireless lan! wink.gif

Grusz, Ludwig
Nikem
QUOTE(Lauter @ Jun 7 2005, 10:16 AM)
Yes, It will have wireless lan!

But only by extra CF_Cards mad.gif
On the second page of the sharp-link they show the "Period of use" with a CF-WLan-Card!
I think the only changes are more Flash and more japanese software.
karlson
http://www.pdakobo.com/exec.exe?html=shop_...tai/SLC3100.htm

already on sale
amrein
blink.gif sad.gif

will wait dry.gif
speculatrix
QUOTE(someonehoi @ Jun 7 2005, 07:45 AM)
C3100 upgraded to Flash128MB(C3000 flash16MB).


well, it's a pleasant surprise, but not overwhelming... I'd rather they upgraded the RAM than the flash, to be honest, if that's all they were going to do, as more RAM would make a big difference to performance for some hungry applications.

and they missed the opportunity to upgrade the internal drive to a 5GB, which would have been trivial.

sigh.

my 860 is safe, and will remain mine... until a "3200" or something comes out with at least one wireless option.
offroadgeek
bummer, no built-in wifi... I was really hoping for that sad.gif

I think I'll keep my 1000... the 4gb microdrive would be nice (especially with the 128mb flash), but I'm still worried about having moving parts in a handheld.
nilch
Sharp seems to be going in smaller upgrade increments with each iteration of the Zaurus releases now.

So essentially this seems to only a move from 16MB Flash to 128 MB Flash and White cover to Black cover. The sofware additions of course dont count much for US and Europe imports.

Well I am content with my C1000.
ashikase
QUOTE(offroadgeek @ Jun 7 2005, 10:36 PM)
I think I'll keep my 1000... the 4gb microdrive would be nice (especially with the 128mb flash), but I'm still worried about having moving parts in a handheld.
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I have a 4GB microdrive plugged into my C760... I've used it for more than a year, and have dropped it more times than I'd like to admit, and have yet to have a problem with it.

If, like me, you're paranoid about losing data, you can always do like I do... keep a backup of all the important stuff on a RAID array, and use something like unison to keep it in sync.

- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
speculatrix
QUOTE(ashikase @ Jun 7 2005, 02:57 PM)
If, like me, you're paranoid about losing data, you can always do like I do... keep a backup of all the important stuff on a RAID array, and use something like unison to keep it in sync.


cool, so with the C3000 & C3100 you can use the USB host function to have a USB-IDE adaptor, and then carry round a small double disk pack with RAIDed disks!

doesn't this make the Z a little bit big?

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TsingTao
It certainly looks cooler (I've always liked black for electronics). And more flash memory is good. But I think I'll stick with my plan to purchase a C1000...and maybe one of those wierd Magpie PDA's as a side dish...

I mean it IS COOL...but it's not THAT cool...
Leinadmx
I love it!!!
It really looks great!
I had a doubt about to buy a C3000, but now I really want a C31000, Why?
1 - the upgrade of the flash memory that is very important (I think).
2 - the upgrade of the Core (linux), how everybody know when a product is released always there are few bugs to fix.
3 - the color (yes! god bless the vanity), black cover is really pretty.

I had the hope to see a product that could be a combination between C3000 y C1000, and it comes true.
Yes, us of all want to see a Zaurus with wireless skills but, It is really dificult, because business is business and Sharp have a great market with the CF Cards (Wi-Fi or BlueTooth or whatever).
But It could be good because in a future we could see a CF Card with VoIP
What do you think?
The only thing that I need to know is Which is the price of this baby?
And by the way, anybody knows a japanese friend to get one?

Best regards, this is a good day to work.
orange
Yes this baby looks nice

And I guess you can now add a internal bluetooth to it since the OS is on the flash and put the Microdrive in the CF slot?
zaurian


C3100 has 4GB HDD and 128 MB flash, any other improvement?
ev1l
More links:
TechJapan
Gizmodo
Engadget

QUOTE(Leinadmx @ Jun 7 2005, 07:18 AM)
I had a doubt about to buy a C3000, but now I really want a C31000, Why?
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It's black.

QUOTE(Leinadmx @ Jun 7 2005, 07:18 AM)
1 - the upgrade of the flash memory that is very important (I think).

Yeah except it's more RAM we want. Whatever. I don't get why you'd need any more flash. It's good policy though, because they can maintain a very similar software stack for the C-1000 and this.
QUOTE(Leinadmx @ Jun 7 2005, 07:18 AM)
2 - the upgrade of the Core (linux), how everybody know when a product is released always there are few bugs to fix.

Still uses the same uLinux, what are you talking about?
QUOTE(Leinadmx @ Jun 7 2005, 07:18 AM)
I had the hope to see a product that could be a combination between C3000 y C1000, and it comes true.

What's the point?
QUOTE(Leinadmx @ Jun 7 2005, 07:18 AM)
Yes, us of all want to see a Zaurus with wireless skills but, It is really dificult, because business is business and Sharp have a great market with the CF Cards (Wi-Fi or BlueTooth or whatever).

They don't make or brand the damn things. They are needed because Japan never agreed a long-range wireless standard.
QUOTE(Leinadmx @ Jun 7 2005, 07:18 AM)
But It could be good because in a future we could see a CF Card with VoIP
What do you think?

Right now VoIP on the Zaurus is a software problem, not a hardware. Sharp isn't capable of producing utility software, let alone a decent softphone.
QUOTE(zaurian @ Jun 7 2005, 08:18 AM)
C3100 has 4GB HDD and 128 MB flash, any other improvement?

Not in the hardware, no.
maslovsky
A few things I like about this one:

1. Internal flash is 128 Mb. This means the whole ROM can be stored on it, microdrive can be removed and a bluetooth or maybe even a wifi card can be plugged in instead.

2. It looks even nicer - it's more black than C1000 smile.gif

The thing I don't like is the price - due to the microdrive AND internal flash it will be most expensive Zaurus we've ever seen sad.gif
offroadgeek
QUOTE(zaurian @ Jun 7 2005, 08:18 AM)
C3100 has 4GB HDD and 128 MB flash, any other improvement?
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Can we PLEASE not start a dozen new threads for the same topic? This goes for all.

Thanks
Cresho
palm has a lifedrive. wifi, bluetooth voice record, 256 memory, 4gb hitachi drive........................video and audio player..........................

shit some of the features i want in my sharp. this is a bummer but.....................

ill stick with sharp anyway.
speculatrix
QUOTE
Right now VoIP on the Zaurus is a software problem, not a hardware. Sharp isn't capable of producing utility software, let alone a decent softphone.


Yup, Sharp are crap at s/w, but q. good at hardware. Why Sharp can't do full disclosure, and even fund OE project, I don't know? They'd only need to loan a few Zs, sign some NDAs, and pay a fraction of their dev budget, as they'd get all their testing for free, and development q. cheap!

SIP for zaurus is catered for by KP/pi; it's not too bad, works for me, even over bluetooth network - I can login to employe's voip system with it.

Skype for Z, well, QT/arm/linux is now vaguely coming.

Anyway, this is the wrong thread to discuss telephony.
bluedevils
well conics has got it up with an initial price. After streamline gets it, I think c1000 might still be the better value. I do wonder if this opens up the door for people putting internal wifi/bluetooth cards inside. That might be worth it.
ev1l
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jun 7 2005, 09:06 AM)
QUOTE
Right now VoIP on the Zaurus is a software problem, not a hardware. Sharp isn't capable of producing utility software, let alone a decent softphone.

Why Sharp can't do full disclosure, and even fund OE project, I don't know? They'd only need to loan a few Zs, sign some NDAs, and pay a fraction of their dev budget, as they'd get all their testing for free, and development q. cheap!

Full disclosure of specs would have helped Sharp tremendously, but they cannot let 3 parties develop the whole platform. Someone has to do the boring stuff, and provide an environment that's stable enough to let the tinkerers tinker.
OESF has nothing to do with software development, it's more oriented towards the fostering of a community around mobile devices and open architectures.
The signing of NDA's is really something open-source coders will tend to avoid, to prevent them from being limited in what they can do in the future, and because once you have the software source, whatever spec was used to develop it is easy to reverse-engineer. The Nokia way of going at it is much smarter: provide *good* functionality for whatever the device is supposed to do, and make it open so 3rd parties can take care of the long tail.
Of course, maemo on the one pre-eminent liunx PDA is probably not something Trolltech would be happy about.
QUOTE(Cresho @ Jun 7 2005, 09:00 AM)
wifi, bluetooth voice record, 256 memory, 4gb hitachi drive, video and audio player.
some of the features i want in my sharp.
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It's also a totally closed architecture. And it's unlikely they'll open it any time soon: they want to sell the middleware.
QUOTE(offroadgeek @ Jun 7 2005, 08:30 AM)
Can we PLEASE not start a dozen new threads for the same topic?  This goes for all.

You might want to make it a bold sticky-yicky.
ashikase
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jun 8 2005, 12:11 AM)
QUOTE(ashikase @ Jun 7 2005, 02:57 PM)
If, like me, you're paranoid about losing data, you can always do like I do... keep a backup of all the important stuff on a RAID array, and use something like unison to keep it in sync.


cool, so with the C3000 & C3100 you can use the USB host function to have a USB-IDE adaptor, and then carry round a small double disk pack with RAIDed disks!

doesn't this make the Z a little bit big?
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I knew when I wrote that that I should have said "on a PC/separate computer".

- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
merli
QUOTE(maslovsky @ Jun 7 2005, 06:26 PM)
A few things I like about this one:

1. Internal flash is 128 Mb. This means the whole ROM can be stored on it, microdrive can be removed and a bluetooth or maybe even a wifi card can be plugged in instead.

2. It looks even nicer - it's more black than C1000 smile.gif

The thing I don't like is the price - due to the microdrive AND internal flash it will be most expensive Zaurus we've ever seen sad.gif
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Yes you can remove microdrive ... but you have to pay for it at least $200 ...
Now there should be two models C3100 with microdrive and 1100 without microdrive smile.gif
ev1l
QUOTE(merli @ Jun 7 2005, 11:47 PM)
Now there should be two models C3100 with microdrive and 1100 without microdrive smile.gif
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What's the difference between the 3100 without microdrive and the 1000?
merli
QUOTE(ev1l @ Jun 8 2005, 12:17 PM)
QUOTE(merli @ Jun 7 2005, 11:47 PM)
Now there should be two models C3100 with microdrive and 1100 without microdrive smile.gif
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What's the difference between the 3100 without microdrive and the 1000?
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In C1000 there is no connector to place microdrive and no controller to internal CF bus. Of course you can buy controller and connector and solder both by hand, (because board is same) but I wouldnt do it on my Z personally. smile.gif
kahm
The black and red color scheme is damn nice looking. I like it even better than the 1000's keyboard. (Which I can't remember the coloring of - Grey? It's going to be another week or two before I get my 1000 back.)
seed
QUOTE(kahm @ Jun 10 2005, 03:10 AM)
The black and red color scheme is damn nice looking. I like it even better than the 1000's keyboard. (Which I can't remember the coloring of - Grey? It's going to be another week or two before I get my 1000 back.)
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why not the sl-c3000
Altt
Im glad I waited!
The 3100 looks hella sweet.
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bam
agree, I am ordering mine this week... smile.gif
xjqian
3100 is sweet. Good companion for my 6k. I can use 6k for tweaking at home and carry 3100 when out . Don't want to be too geeky out there. I guess 3100 will have a better chance to attract hot girls? tongue.gif

I have a relative in Japan. What's the price if purchased in Japan? How much will the price come down by the end of the year?
Reaper
As one guy around here mentioned before, it would be nice to get a brand new Z with all the modern and quite useful things - 624 MHz PXA270 CPU, 2700G video accelerator and 128 Mbytes of RAM as well as NAND. Most of those features are already present in high-end Windows mobile handhelds, like Dell Axim X50v. I'm unable to understand why Sharp doesn't want to put them all into new Zaurii. To my mind, I need only few things that my C760 doesn't do too fast: 1) Smooth midi playback via Timidity; 2) Smooth DivX playback of CD titles without having to recompress them; 3) Swift WWW surfing via Firefox; 4) Performance of slow 386 ar at least 286 when playing PC games via DOSbox (with SB sound, of course).

I'd like to buy 3100, if I wasn't afraid of some things: 1) Limited performance of 416 MHz PXA270, especially when executing video output; 2) Extended size and weight of 3k series; 3) Very unserious and inconvenient 5-way joystick instead of good ol' T-reversed cursor keys (I've got really used to it smile.gif).

RAM limitation, of course, stays here as well. And programs like multiple-windowed Firefox are still crashing at 64 Mb space... sad.gif
Meanie
The next Cxxx I would consider buying would need much more than just a better colour. It would need to have a much faster CPU than the current 4xxMhz and of course more memory, say 128MB at least, preferably 256MB. Also a faster and bigger harddisk would be needed. This 4 GB microdrive is bloody slow. The 8 GB CF SANdisk would be better. Also, I want build in bluetooth capabilities, a viable VGA out solution! and faster USB 2.0 host. The current support for Wifi cards is fine with me cause wifi is a power sucker so being able to remove it and conserve power is fine by me and its quite handy on the plane (you can just pull out the wifi card). Maybe 2 SD slots instead of 1 smile.gif and 800x600 res would be good too.
bam
I wonder if they are putting the whole os(core) in the flash, instead of the bootloader...etc(like int he 3000)?
merli
QUOTE(Reaper @ Jun 12 2005, 05:45 PM)
As one guy around here mentioned before, it would be nice to get a brand new Z with all the modern and quite useful things - 624 MHz PXA270 CPU, 2700G video accelerator and 128 Mbytes of RAM as well as NAND. Most of those features are already present in high-end Windows mobile handhelds, like Dell Axim X50v. I'm unable to understand why Sharp doesn't want to put them all into new Zaurii. To my mind, I need only few things that my C760 doesn't do too fast: 1) Smooth midi playback via Timidity; 2) Smooth DivX playback of CD titles without having to recompress them; 3) Swift WWW surfing via Firefox; 4) Performance of slow 386 ar at least 286 when playing PC games via DOSbox (with SB sound, of course).

I'd like to buy 3100, if I wasn't afraid of some things: 1) Limited performance of 416 MHz PXA270, especially when executing video output; 2) Extended size and weight of 3k series; 3) Very unserious and inconvenient 5-way joystick instead of good ol' T-reversed cursor keys (I've got really used to it smile.gif).

RAM limitation, of course, stays here as well. And programs like multiple-windowed Firefox are still crashing at 64 Mb space... sad.gif
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I know why IMHO SHARP don't use anything better and not adding new features. They just dont want to touch anything generally in the hardware of Cxxx series so they do only do improovment such to not touch basic motherboard and construction. I think they will publish absolutelly new model redesigned to Christmas market. And then will try to patch that model next 2-3 years. They are just too lazy to redesign whole unit from scratch now. But what I don't really understand is their policy NOT to sell it worldwide. Maybe they don't have support or production capacity, but I really dont understant it.
technojunkie
Well I won't be upgrading to a clamshell until next tax season. So hopefully by then we will have a clamshell with WiFi. smile.gif
gcf
QUOTE(merli @ Jun 8 2005, 12:27 PM)
QUOTE(ev1l @ Jun 8 2005, 12:17 PM)
QUOTE(merli @ Jun 7 2005, 11:47 PM)
Now there should be two models C3100 with microdrive and 1100 without microdrive smile.gif
*

What's the difference between the 3100 without microdrive and the 1000?
*



In C1000 there is no connector to place microdrive and no controller to internal CF bus. Of course you can buy controller and connector and solder both by hand, (because board is same) but I wouldnt do it on my Z personally. smile.gif
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Yep, to dangerous ;-)
Will simply ask my local reseller to order me a 3100 without the drive (to put a CF in instead) - if the hard disk would be faster than CF (and i mean not only a bit) it would have more reason to exist...lets see if enough people do so to actually have Sharp recognizing it. cool.gif

More RAM and faster CPU would just be nice to have, but battery life is also important to keep high.
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