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nathanwms
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Mass battery HLI-C3000 for Zaurus SL-C3000

Mass exchange battery for PDA. The commodity here corresponds to Zaurus SL-C3100/C3000/C1000/C860/C760/B500.
Capacity is from a battery of the main body standard attachment (1,800mAh or 1,700mAh) to mass 2,000mAh. Moreover, the price is cheap from pure goods.

It is an item that I would like the heavy user with an early power supply consumption to use it by all means.

Corresponding model: Zaurus C3100/C3000/C1000/C860/C760/B500

- The main specification

Capacity: 2,000mAh
Voltage: 3.7V


Just in time, my battery is almost 2 years old and it shows.
albertr
Apparently, it's not an OEM Sharp battery (made from quality japanese li-ion cells), but rather some aftermarket one. I would be sceptical about its advertized capacity.
-albertr
icruise
Or a slightly more readable version:

Extended battery for PDAs. This product is compatible with SL-C3100/C3000/C1000/C860/C760/B500 models. This is a 2,000mAh battery -- higher capacity than the batteries included with the Zaurus units (which are 1,800mAh or 1,700mAh). In addition, it's cheaper than the official battery!

A perfect item for heavy users who need a lot of power.
Compatible models: Zaurus C3100/C3000/C1000/C860/C760/B500

Specifications:
Capacity: 2,000mAh
Voltage: 3.7V

Note: The manufacturer does not support the use of third party batteries. Use this product at your own risk.
This product is imported.
This product is has a non-DOA warranty only.
The colors of the product picture may vary according to monitor type or settings, and so may not reflect the actual product color.
Product specifications may change at any time without warning.
TRIsoft
Hi all,

the manufacturer already contacted us and we're actually
checking how professional these guys are.

If it looks promising, we'll test a few of these batteries and
keep you all updated.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
Da_Blitz
it says mugen on the battery cover and i know from other sites that they are higly recpected as well as delevering more power than stock battries. they used to stock a e800 (toshiba) battery that had 4 times the capacity of the stock battery (4800maH total)
nathanwms
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Oct 14 2005, 02:10 AM)
Hi all,

the manufacturer already contacted us and we're actually
checking how professional these guys are.

If it looks promising, we'll test a few of these batteries and
keep you all updated.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
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Marc,
I'll hold off on trying to purchase from Japan and wait to hear how your evaluation of the company and the battery go. I'll be one of the first to purchase through you if they check out OK. Using a diminishing battery with wifi is yielding me only about 45 minutes.
ltrm
I'd be really interested if they could offer a higher capacity battary in the smaller BL-06 size.
comman
If this battry is manufactured by Mugen, I'm highly interested in it. I used to have a Toshiba E800 with battery made by Mugen and I'm quite satisfied with its quality.
Lion Battery
Greetings!

We just wanted to add a little information here for your reference. We are the online reseller for Mugen Power (Unifirm) and we are pleased to let you know that we are expecting to have this battery in stock by Friday. It is a higher capacity battery than the OEM battery and for those who know Mugen Power and us, you know that we provide quality products and services.

If we can answer anyone's questions about the new battery, please let us know. We have now joined the OE Forums to answer any and all battery related questions and to support the community.

In the meantime, we are looking for 2 people to test and review the new battery. Please email me (mefabian@spamcop.net) your references and we'll get you to try it out. Of course, the idea is to let us and everyone else know your opinion.

Thanks for your help and we're looking forward to being part of the community.


Mark Fabian biggrin.gif
Lion Battery
Lion Battery
QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Oct 14 2005, 04:38 AM)
it says mugen on the battery cover and i know from other sites that they are higly recpected as well as delevering more power than stock battries. they used to stock a e800 (toshiba) battery that had 4 times the capacity of the stock battery (4800maH total)
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Actually, we still stock the battery and it is a 5800mAh version. It is a big brick but useful for those who need it.


Mark Fabian biggrin.gif
Lion Battery
speculatrix
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Oct 14 2005, 09:10 AM)
If it looks promising, we'll test a few of these batteries and
keep you all updated.
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are they good? will they fit an SL-C860?

how about for the SL-6000?
Lion Battery
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 7 2005, 08:27 AM)
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Oct 14 2005, 09:10 AM)
If it looks promising, we'll test a few of these batteries and
keep you all updated.
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are they good? will they fit an SL-C860?

how about for the SL-6000?
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We (Lion Battery) have them being tested now and should have an answer very soon. They fit the following PDA's: SL-C3000, SL-C1000, SL-C3100, SL-C750 & SL-C760. They also are suppose to fit the CL5600 but we have not been able to test this yet. These batteries are compatible with Sharp's EA-BL08 and EA-BL11 batteries.

Hope that this helps to answer your questions.


Mark Fabian smile.gif
Lion Battery
TRIsoft
Mark,
QUOTE(Lion Battery @ Nov 7 2005, 01:47 PM)
We (Lion Battery) have them being tested now ....
and should have an answer very soon.
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we also got our sample shipment today.
Any results on your side ?
Think it will take a few days until we have some comparable
data for the new batteries.
What's your measured uptime compared to the EA-BL11 ?
What models are you testing ?
Because we actual run tests with SL-C1000/3100, we could
avoid double testing.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
Lion Battery
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Nov 7 2005, 09:29 AM)
Mark,
QUOTE(Lion Battery @ Nov 7 2005, 01:47 PM)
We (Lion Battery) have them being tested now ....
and should have an answer very soon.
*


we also got our sample shipment today.
Any results on your side ?
Think it will take a few days until we have some comparable
data for the new batteries.
What's your measured uptime compared to the EA-BL11 ?
What models are you testing ?
Because we actual run tests with SL-C1000/3100, we could
avoid double testing.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
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Marc,

They are being tested on a SL-C3000. It is still too early to get actual results. We expect them later this week. We'll keep you posted.


Mark Fabian rolleyes.gif
Lion Battery
maxg
Could OESF members have a small rebate on those batteries ? I'd be actually interested in giving it a try, since I'm currently testing various zaurus batteries and this one should definitely have a place in the list. Between - your shipping options are really great. $9 Global Priority Mail seems rather honest to me, and it deserves to be noticed given the various outrageous fees on some US shops for international delivery.
Thank you for pointing those out, by the way.
Cresho
Where can i buy one? laugh.gif
Lion Battery
QUOTE(Cresho @ Nov 9 2005, 07:48 PM)
Where can i buy one?  laugh.gif
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Check here.

Mark biggrin.gif
speculatrix
what's the weight of these batteries please (then I can compare with existing)?
GadgetGuy
QUOTE(maxg @ Nov 9 2005, 05:07 PM)
Could OESF members have a small rebate on those batteries ?
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Alternatively (instead of a rebate), we could team up and buy a couple directly from the manufacturer. I have a friend, who could order this directly from Asia for us - as he is a reseller.
Lion Battery
QUOTE(GadgetGuy @ Nov 10 2005, 10:54 AM)
Alternatively (instead of a rebate), we could team up and buy a couple directly from the manufacturer. I have a friend, who could order this directly from Asia for us - as he is a reseller.
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Gadgetguy,

You can contact Mugen Power directly but their minimum order is 100 pcs. You will also have to pay for them FOB China. Since your friend is already a reseller for Mugen Power then they could add these 100 pcs on to their next order.

Or, you could buy from us as these are in stock and are shipping now.

Also, Speculatrix, the battery weighs 1.4 oz.


Mark Fabian biggrin.gif
Lion Battery
xatax
Why does it say it's compatible with the C750 if it's too big to fit properly with the standard battery lid?
Lion Battery
QUOTE(xatax @ Nov 10 2005, 09:58 PM)
Why does it say it's compatible with the C750 if it's too big to fit properly with the standard battery lid?
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WHy do you say that it would not fit the standard battery lid? There is no extra battery cover/lid/door that comes with the battery. Therefore it should fit with the standard battery lid. However, I will raise the question with the manufacturer especially since I do not have a C750 to verify with.


Mark Fabian unsure.gif
Lion Battery
Ragnorok
- Looks sweet, and advertised compatible with the Zaurus line is a bonus.
- Some guy on another thread is converting cell phone batteries for the C760 units. He claims to double the maH on the standard battery in the same form factor. If I'm not mistaken GagetGuy has at least one of the batteries, and appears to be happy with it.
- I'm not looking for a comparison of a hack vs product. Far from it. I'm wondering how something the size of a smaller C760 battery can be made to hold 1800 maH, but a newer version of the larger C1000 battery only holds 2000 maH? There appears to be an electron density descrepancy, which piques my curiosity.
- Hiro is only a few months old. I'll be looking one of these guys up when that battery gets a little less peppy, regardless of the answer!
- Thanks for your time...
Lion Battery
QUOTE(Lion Battery @ Nov 10 2005, 10:03 PM)
QUOTE(xatax @ Nov 10 2005, 09:58 PM)
Why does it say it's compatible with the C750 if it's too big to fit properly with the standard battery lid?
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WHy do you say that it would not fit the standard battery lid? There is no extra battery cover/lid/door that comes with the battery. Therefore it should fit with the standard battery lid. However, I will raise the question with the manufacturer especially since I do not have a C750 to verify with.


Mark Fabian unsure.gif
Lion Battery
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Wow, I've just been informed that it does NOT fit the C700 or C750. We have another battery coming out very soon that will have a specail cover/lid for the C750. This battery will be the same battery but will have a cover.

Sorry for the confusion. We've corrected our web site and will place the new battery on our site tomorrow.

Oops! blink.gif


Mark Fabian
tg
QUOTE(Lion Battery @ Nov 8 2005, 12:59 AM)
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Nov 7 2005, 09:29 AM)
Mark,
QUOTE(Lion Battery @ Nov 7 2005, 01:47 PM)
We (Lion Battery) have them being tested now ....
and should have an answer very soon.
*


we also got our sample shipment today.
Any results on your side ?
Think it will take a few days until we have some comparable
data for the new batteries.
What's your measured uptime compared to the EA-BL11 ?
What models are you testing ?
Because we actual run tests with SL-C1000/3100, we could
avoid double testing.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
*




Marc,

They are being tested on a SL-C3000. It is still too early to get actual results. We expect them later this week. We'll keep you posted.


Mark Fabian rolleyes.gif
Lion Battery
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Do you guys (Lion and/or Trisoft) have any results of this testing available?
GadgetGuy
QUOTE(Lion Battery @ Nov 10 2005, 04:57 PM)
QUOTE(GadgetGuy @ Nov 10 2005, 10:54 AM)
Alternatively (instead of a rebate), we could team up and buy a couple directly from the manufacturer. I have a friend, who could order this directly from Asia for us - as he is a reseller.
*


Gadgetguy,

You can contact Mugen Power directly but their minimum order is 100 pcs. You will also have to pay for them FOB China. Since your friend is already a reseller for Mugen Power then they could add these 100 pcs on to their next order.

Or, you could buy from us as these are in stock and are shipping now.

Also, Speculatrix, the battery weighs 1.4 oz.


Mark Fabian biggrin.gif
Lion Battery
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Yes, that is maybe what I will do. I will investigate prices and conditions, and ask my friend to order some batteries in ( as far as I know, you CAN order less than 100 batteries, as long as the total order is large enough). On a side note: do you have maybe the intention to offer a "special price" for OESF members?
albertr
QUOTE(tg @ Nov 14 2005, 08:35 AM)
Do you guys (Lion and/or Trisoft) have any results of this testing available?


I do have the battery and I'll test it out and let you know how does it fire up against Sharp's battery. I just want to run it thru a few change/discharge cycles before starting tests.
-albertr
Lion Battery
QUOTE(GadgetGuy @ Nov 14 2005, 09:43 AM)
... On a side note: do you have maybe the intention to offer a "special price" for OESF members?
*


I would expect that we will do that. We'll have more details later this week.


Mark
DrWowe
Regarding SL-6000:

The official EA-BL09 battery is near impossible to buy.

If someone produced a compatible aftermarket battery you would have a monopoly. (hint, hint) cool.gif
TRIsoft
Hi,
QUOTE(tg @ Nov 14 2005, 08:35 AM)
Do you guys (Lion and/or Trisoft) have any results of this testing available?

we're still in the evaluation process. To get fair results, we give
the batteries some charge / discharge cycles and this takes a
few days.

We'll start the first load test in a SL-C3100 today.
Also we're still waiting for some neccessary documents from
Mugen. That's the reason why we haven't the batteries officially
announced on our website.

Like you all know, we're not offering anything before it passed
our QA. If we're not satisfied, we won't sell a product.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
Lion Battery
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Nov 15 2005, 06:27 AM)
Hi,
... we're still in the evaluation process. To get fair results, we give
the batteries some charge / discharge cycles and this takes a
few days.
...
Like you all know, we're not offering anything before it passed
our QA. If we're not satisfied, we won't sell a product.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
*


Marc,

That is a great policy to abide by. We've been representing Mugen Power online for almost 2 years now and we also did our homework and QA inspections. I'm confident that you'll be pleased with the product.

We'll have our results posted online as soon as the testing is complete. (albertr is one of our testers.)


Mark Fabian biggrin.gif
me@home
QUOTE(Lion Battery @ Nov 16 2005, 05:48 AM)
We'll have our results posted online as soon as the testing is complete. (albertr is one of our testers.)


any news ?

And any one here in Europe to get the accu ? I see you have it on ebay but shipping is expensive and I may have to pay duties...
loc4me
I have also got one of Lion's new batteries for the C3000. I have done some testing with it and have found it to be a very good battery. I will start a new topic and post some of my results.

-Mark
TRIsoft
Testing completed!

Here are the very new results, directly from our special testing facility :-D

We are proud to announce that the "HLI-C3000" batteries fully comply with
our expectations. The summarized results of our testing are shown below.

This is the way, we tested: We took a HLI-C3000 battery from Mugen Power
that has a capacity of 2000 mAh and gave it two full load and unload cycles.
The same way we made it with an original SHARP EA-BL11 that should have
a capacity of 1800 mAh (We did not measured, if the capacities written to
the batteries were true. Our customers just want to know if the batteries
work like they should do and thats it!). Then we put the batteries into the
SHARP SL-C1000, placed a D-Link DCF-660W WiFi-Card into the CF-slot.
We put the internal clock to "00:00" and startet a batch that makes a ping
to a PC via the wireless LAN. The backlight was set to 100% and no dimming.
After several tests with both batteries, we made the same with the SL-C3100.

Regarding the fact, that the batteries could make the Zaurus work for more
then three very long lasting hours, we can say both competitors are great!

The EA-BL11 and the SL-C1000 made it 3 hours and 20 minutes
The HLI-C3000 and the SL-C1000 made it 3 hours and 25 minutes
The EA-BL11 and the SL-C3100 made it 3 hours and 10 minutes
The HLI-C3000 and the SL-C3100 made it 3 hours and 20 minutes

So the difference is 10 minutes using a SL-C1000 and 5 minutes using a
SL-C3100. Or, in other words, the harddrive in the SL-C3100 has a very
low power consumption and costs you only 5 minutes of the battery power.

Now we are waiting for Mugen Power to give us urgently some missing
documents that are needed to fullfill European (and some other) laws.

Hopefully we answered all of your questions, greetings from Hannover
to whereever you all are as long as you are using a Zaurus :-)

Robert Fischer
bluedevils
Let me see if I understand the implication right. Since you are doing only pings through wan, then the hard drive power consumption we are talking about is probably just idle power. Still it is good to know hdd does not drain much power at idle.

Thanks for the update and it is good to know it has the trisoft seal of approval. This would be great for my 760 and 3100. Any word on a 6000 version
gr8ful
Well, it appears that though the new battery has a 11% or so greater capacity, it is not producing a 11% greater performance. So for me it will come down to which can I get the cheapest since the performance is basically identical.

Thanks Robert (TRIsoft) for testing this and posting to the site. Much appreciated.
adf
6000 battery? 6000 battery? I'll buy one, if someone makes 'em new.
me@home
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Dec 6 2005, 02:31 AM)
Testing completed!


Danke sehr ! I hope you'll get all the papers and then the accus so I can order 1 or 2 from you.
loc4me
I have some of my testing results for Lion's new battery for the C3000 and C3100. I tested the battery against the stock battery that came with my C3000. First off let me say that my stock battery is not new. It is the original battery that came with the unit and i beleive the unit is about a year old. I bought it used from someone, but it was in "Like new" condition.

The i wish i had a wifi card to test with b/c i knew that would put more strain on the battery than just normal use. Here is how i tested.

I first put the battery through two complete charge discharge cycles before i tested. I turned the screen on lowest brightness and played a playlist of 5 different mp3s on repeat.

For the sharp battery i got around 5 hrs
For the new Lion battery i got around 7 hrs

This is not that accuate b/c did not know how to time it. I just watched the clock. I was listening to it while i was working. If anyone knows how to get an acurate time sort of like Trisoft did above i would appreciate the input.

The overall feel of the battery is very good. If i just use it for every day normal use it last a very long time. I charged it up two days ago and it still says 100% (by the way i am using the C3Kb1 port of cacko rom for C3000 with no overclocking but battery applet installed). I use my Z for a couple hours a day.

One other thing i have noticed with the new battery is it seems to charge faster. I am not sure if this is an illusion but the charging light appears to shut off faster than with the stock battery. i am using the EA-70s charger from my 6000 so i know it is not the charger. I always leave all my Zs on the charger overnight (about 8hrs) so even if the light goes off it says on till morning.

My next test I would like to be running a full length high quality movie on repeat and test the battery life. If any one has a really high quallity movie that they would like me to test with then let me know so i can do it.

So far this battery appears to be great. I would recomend anyone who is thinking about getting one to do so. You wont be disappointed.

I wish they would make a replacement battery for the SL-6000 and the SL-5500. The 6000 battery life is fine, but it is hard to aquire a battery. The SL-5500 battery life sucks and is in dire need of a higher capacity battery. Hopefully we will see once soon.

Thanks
-Mark
albertr
I've done some testing with Mugen Power HLI-C3000 battery on Sharp SL-C1000 running pdaXrom. The test scenario was an attempt to simulate real-life web browsing on the Zaurus using Mozilla Firefox over wireless connection. The html page with images (total document size = 342KB) was set up to be automatically reloaded by the browser every 10 seconds (caching was disabled).

Auto-suspending on inactivity and screen dimming were disabled (`xset dpms 0`), backlight was set to intermediate level (`setfl 3`), no over/under-clocking. On every reload, rendering of the test page in Mozilla Firefox took approx. 5 seconds with nearly 100% CPU load, then another 5 seconds C1000 was almost idle waiting for next reload cycle. While 10 seconds might look like a too short interval, I still think that it would represent the scenario reasonably close to real web browsing, i.e. loading the CPU half of the time with spikes during page rendering, 342KB*6= 2MB/min average download speed over wi-fi connection. The wireless card used was Symbol Spectrum24 CF card (hermes/orinoco/spectrum_cs drivers).

Two batteries were tested under the same conditions - first the battery was fully discharged, then fully charged by the Zaurus (until charging light came off), then test was started and time was measured until the Zaurus went into suspend on low battery level (5%). Sharp EA-70 power adapter was used for charging. All test were performed three times, average numbers are given as final results.

The following batteries were tested:

1. Mugen Power HLI-C3000 (kindly provided by www.lionbattery.com). It's a new battery, but before testing it was put through six full charge/discharge cycles).

2. Sharp EA-BL11 which originally came with SL-C1000 and was used for appox. eight months.

Here's the results I got (HR:MIN):

HLI-C3000: 3:24
EA-BL11: 3:31

Now, I don't know why BL11 fired up slightly better in my tests, since for two previous posters HLI-C3000 seemed to show longer life than the Sharp battery. Anyway, the difference is not that significant, IMHO.

-albertr
lardman
I wonder what would happen if the batteries were allowed to continue until they completely discharge?

The other issue is that the battery percentage business is coded into the kernel so it may well be operating on an incorrect voltage-percentage curve.

What you'd need is the full discharge curve of the battery from the manuf.


Si
albertr
AFAIK, the kernel driver has a battery calibration data which indeed were tweaked for a specific Sharp battery, but changing that would require kernel recompilation. I'm not sure, but maybe there's something avaibale in the maintenance menu that could be changed?
-albertr
maslovsky
QUOTE(albertr @ Dec 9 2005, 04:58 PM)
AFAIK, the kernel driver has a battery calibration data which indeed were tweaked for a specific Sharp battery, but changing that would require kernel recompilation. I'm not sure, but maybe there's something avaibale in the maintenance menu that could be changed?
-albertr
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The ony parameter I saw in the maintanence menu was the number indicating full battery charge. You save current number from your fully charged battery to the flash. I'm not sure if the kernel respects or uses this number in anyway. From what I saw, all the numbers are hard-coded in the kernel battery driver source code...

To tweak the kernel to a different battery one would need to run a full battery discharge cycle saving the numbers every few minute or so form /proc/driver/battery/sharpsl_main_battery_voltage (under Cacko kernel at least) and then use these numbers to build the discharge curve and update battery driver to use it.
gr8ful
Robert (TRIsoft) & Mark (Lion Battery),

Do either of you have pricing and availability information on the new battery? My battery is better than 2 years old and definitely needs to be replaced (actually will be a spare). Since the performance is nearly identical to the EA-BL11 it comes down to which can I get cheaper.

Thanks
me@home
Mark (Lion Battery)

thx for fast shipping to Austria, I bought this 2000mAh on ebay.
Trisoft nor Pulster has the battery listed so I guess better do it with Mark :-)

I'll let you know in a few weeks how long it's working on my C1K.
Streamline
Hello,
We contacted them a few months ago regarding the possibility of making a battery for the 6000. What we were told is that at this time they were not planning to proceed with it.
Cresho
anybody tried this battery yet? how old is the shelf life? I am planning of buying one just incase my new pda battery dies. I know from past expirience the sl-5500 battery died quickly...probably too much usage from my part.

here is lion corp..... same as this link....has 8 left in stock just putting out info for those who need it.


http://cgi.ebay.com/HLI-C3000-SHARP-ZAURUS...1QQcmdZViewItem
deluxe
It's identical to the battery I bought at Amazon for $24.
deluxe
It's identical to the battery I bought at Amazon for $24.
deluxe
It's identical to the battery I bought at Amazon for $24. Works just fine.
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