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mk500
The Nokia 770 a great step forward in having additional Linux PDA devices (other than Sharp) that we can hack. I think Nokia 770 development and usage fits well into our community here. Here are my forum thoughts:

ROMs, Development, and Model Specific Forums -> Everything Development ->
new forum = "Nokia/Maemo"

ROMs, Development, and Model Specific Forums -> Model Specific Forums ->
new forum = "Nokia 770"

ROMs, Development, and Model Specific Forums -> ROMs Support and Discussion ->
new forum = "Nokia/Maemo"

I posted a comparison of my Nokia 770 vs. my trusty Zaurus C-760 here, for those who aren't familiar with the Nokia:

Nokia 770 compared to Zaurus C-760
lardman
Yes, I'd like this but wasn't sure we had enough people.

Personally I'm running GPE on my 770, and am going to start hacking away to try to work out how Nokia get battery info, etc.

Sounds like it should be interesting smile.gif wink.gif


Si
koen
Good, more fragmenting. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/

And fwiw: nokia doesn't use a ROM, but a writable flash chip so it doesn't fit in any of the mentioned categories
lardman
Hmm, I know you don't like forums koen wink.gif

The internet table talk one seems to have very few contributors, certainly in the developers section.

I don't know what the answer is.


Si
koen
QUOTE(lardman @ Dec 7 2005, 11:59 AM)
Hmm, I know you don't like forums koen wink.gif

The internet table talk one seems to have very few contributors, certainly in the developers section.

I don't know what the answer is.
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I bet there will be a 'brainstorming session' and oesf will be renamed to 'Internet Device Talk Forum' wink.gif

But more to the point: Neither oesf or itt is a developer forum, since the people doing dev use IRC and mailinglists.
The itt forum is already there and accessible and it puzzles me why 'a forum for maemo/the 770' can't be on itt, but has to be here. I'm certain that the number of developers using gtk is greater on itt than here.

Like I said before: creating forums all over the net leads to fragmentation. You sharp-victims are used to that, but it is *not* a good thing
dhns
I don't have a N770 (yet) but would like to discuss it here because I hate to have a login at thousends of different forums...

And, I did never hear anything about the Internet Tablet forum (and would have never searched for that) because the N770 is for me not an "Internet tablet" but simply a Linux PDA with a high resolution display. And having WLAN&Bluetooth (which many other PDAs also have). So, what't special with it to keep it separate?

-- hns
koen
QUOTE(dhns @ Dec 7 2005, 01:36 PM)
I don't have a N770 (yet) but would like to discuss it here because I hate to have a login at thousends of different forums...

And, I did never hear anything about the Internet Tablet forum (and would have never searched for that) because the N770 is for me not an "Internet tablet" but simply a Linux PDA with a high resolution display. And having WLAN&Bluetooth (which many other PDAs also have). So, what't special with it to keep it separate?
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Nokia markets it as a 'internet tablet', even the box it's in says so. Now surf to http://planet.maemo.org/ and count how many times this forum is referenced and how many times the itt forum is mentioned.
mk500
QUOTE(lardman @ Dec 7 2005, 01:21 AM)
Yes, I'd like this but wasn't sure we had enough people.

Personally I'm running GPE on my 770, and am going to start hacking away to try to work out how Nokia get battery info, etc.

Sounds like it should be interesting smile.gif wink.gif


Si
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That's really cool! I'd love to see some other distros/builds for the 770 (although I'm sure I'll get flamed for even saying that). I'm NOT saying Hildon isn't the way to go for normal users, but unix geeks want OPTIONS. I'd love to hear more about what lardman is doing on his 770, and that's kind of what I was thinking with these forums.

We may not have enough people now, but I think you'll find there will be a LOT of 770 owners soon.
mk500
QUOTE(dhns @ Dec 7 2005, 05:36 AM)
I don't have a N770 (yet) but would like to discuss it here because I hate to have a login at thousends of different forums...

And, I did never hear anything about the Internet Tablet forum (and would have never searched for that) because the N770 is for me not an "Internet tablet" but simply a Linux PDA with a high resolution display. And having WLAN&Bluetooth (which many other PDAs also have). So, what't special with it to keep it separate?

-- hns
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Exactly right. How is the Nokia 770 different from the SIMpad, Archos, iPAQ, and Zaurus; all of which have forums here?
mk500
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 7 2005, 01:52 AM)
Good, more fragmenting. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/

And fwiw: nokia doesn't use a ROM, but a writable flash chip so it doesn't fit in any of the mentioned categories
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That seems like a kind of odd differentiator.

A Zaurus C-760 has 128MB of Flashable memory that I can flash pdaXrom or Cacko onto
A Nokia 770 has 128MB of Flashable memory that I can flash "Internet Tablet 2005" or other systems onto

Neither is truly a ROM, as it can be written to. What difference does it make what the hardware vendors call their chips, as they do the exact same thing?
Mickeyl
QUOTE(mk500 @ Dec 7 2005, 01:27 PM)
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 7 2005, 01:52 AM)
And fwiw: nokia doesn't use a ROM, but a writable flash chip so it doesn't fit in any of the mentioned categories

That seems like a kind of odd differentiator.
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Neither is truly a ROM, as it can be written to. What difference does it make what the hardware vendors call their chips, as they do the exact same thing?


Don't put too much thought into it. Koen's statement was part of his expurgatorial crusade against misleading and/or incorrect terms. The major thing differenciating the Nokia Internet Tablet from a Zaurus is that the company behind it seems actually interested in the success and is taking care about developers.

Adhering to my own crusade against fragmentation, I'd suggest promoting the itt forum as the 'definite' one tongue.gif
dhns
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The major thing differenciating the Nokia Internet Tablet from a Zaurus is that the company behind it seems actually interested in the success and is taking care about developers.
Apple was for several years. Sharp was for some years...

I have had a chance to play a little with a N770 today and my thoughs are that I am not really impressed. It looks like a sligthly shrinked Newton in black color. Appears a little thick (although thinner than a C-Zaurus). The display appeared less brilliant than a C Zaurus (but I could not compare them 1:1). The pen was a little long and difficult to extract.

The system reaction time is a little slow (menus etc.). It takes much longer to launch applications (browser, PDF viewer) than on a Z. The UI logic itself was not difficult to understand. Menu button simply opens menus. Applications can be found in the Menu. System settings allow to change parameters as expected. Popup windows have an Ok and a Cancel button. Interesting is that even the first menu level is vertical. And, you can control windows (i.e. close window, close all windows).

So, I think I will buy one to start to port QuantumSTEP on it and see how that performs :-)

-- hns
dhns
At least such a forum would be great to dicuss similarities and differences to the Zaurus and would be a "home" for those who own both devices.

So, is there enough consensus to add new subforums?

-- hns
lpotter
since when has choice become 'fragmentation'? if thats the case, then using anything other than qtopia is fragmenting the linux embedded space.

I say add nokia forums here! Its not a tablet no matter what they market it as, though. The simpad is more of a tablet. it is a handheld device.
dz
Ok, same thing I did for the last forum request. Vote on what you believe.
dz
There were 3 forum suggestions made. I don't want to create 3 forums right from the start.

Pick one smile.gif
koen
QUOTE(dhns @ Dec 11 2005, 05:31 PM)
At least such a forum would be great to dicuss similarities and differences to the Zaurus and would be a "home" for those who own both devices.
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You mean like this: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showt...ighlight=zaurus ?
offroadgeek
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 7 2005, 04:34 AM)
I bet there will be a 'brainstorming session' and oesf will be renamed to 'Internet Device Talk Forum' wink.gif

Koen - why are you such a blatant jerk? I'm seriously getting tired of your aggressive and hateful posts. After everything I've done for this community, and just because I chose to shorten the name of the forums from OESF to OE you continue to think I stole the name and you continue to be rude to me and the community.

So unless you can change your attitude just leave. We don't need people like you here.
mk500
QUOTE(dz @ Dec 17 2005, 07:22 AM)
There were 3 forum suggestions made.  I don't want to create 3 forums right from the start.

Pick one smile.gif
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If I had to choose one, I would suggest:

ROMs, Development, and Model Specific Forums -> Model Specific Forums ->
new forum = "Nokia 770"
dz
QUOTE(mk500 @ Dec 19 2005, 08:16 PM)
QUOTE(dz @ Dec 17 2005, 07:22 AM)
There were 3 forum suggestions made.  I don't want to create 3 forums right from the start.

Pick one smile.gif
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If I had to choose one, I would suggest:

ROMs, Development, and Model Specific Forums -> Model Specific Forums ->
new forum = "Nokia 770"
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Deal. Done.

http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showforum=150

As usual, if I don't see this forum being used much I will axe it. Enjoy gents ~
mk500
Thanks!
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