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kurochka
It works on N810 but I have not yet tried running it with glosssaries.
Frederic Bergeron
QUOTE(kurochka @ Aug 30 2009, 10:43 AM) *
It works on N810 but I have not yet tried running it with glosssaries.


So far, I've been told that the Preferences screen is too small and should be maximized. If you see any other improvements, let me know.

Concerning the import/export feature for glossaries, some people reported that it works fine.

The next version (for the Zaurus) will have 2 new features: SuperMemo-2 algorithm for Quizzes and a Character Viewer.
kurochka
Frederic, it's offtopic in this thread, but do you know of any recent/good EPWING readers for Linux? There is a good multiplatform QT-based dictionary program (GoldenDict) that supports a number of dictionary formats but unfortunately it does not so far supports EPWING. Could you code EPWING support for GoldenDict?

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPWING
Frederic Bergeron
I really have no idea. And, no, sorry, I have no time to work on GoldenDict for now.
kurochka
After running toMOTko on my N810 for a while, I can confirm that everything works. As has been reported, the preferences window is almost unusable (I had to select the smallest font to see anything on the last tab in preferences - it is the most problematic tab).

This is very exciting because now I have almost all necessary (for me) software on my N810. The only missing piece is EPWING viewer but I will be asking around. I may even consider getting the just-announced N900 when it starts shipping.
Frederic Bergeron
QUOTE(kurochka @ Sep 1 2009, 10:11 AM) *
After running toMOTko on my N810 for a while, I can confirm that everything works. As has been reported, the preferences window is almost unusable (I had to select the smallest font to see anything on the last tab in preferences - it is the most problematic tab).


I think that it will be usable if the screen is maximized. If it's not enough, I may have to change the layout a bit. I hope I won't have to do that though. I would really appreciate it if you could send me screenshots of the application (especially for screens that are too tight) so that I can get a better idea. I would like to see all the tabs of the Preferences window and also the revealing sequence editor (in the Quiz tab of the Prefs window, if you click the + button. It's seldom used but I'm curious to know if it looks good or not. I'm also interested in the Quiz window. Well... That's most of the screens actually :-)

QUOTE(kurochka @ Sep 1 2009, 10:11 AM) *
This is very exciting because now I have almost all necessary (for me) software on my N810. The only missing piece is EPWING viewer but I will be asking around. I may even consider getting the just-announced N900 when it starts shipping.


That's good. So I guess you will stop (or already have stopped) using your Zaurus then.

I also think that time to use another device is coming soon. The Zaurus is still not bad but, at last, interesting alternatives are appearing. I'm still not decided to buy the N900 though. I'm going to wait some more. As long as my Zaurus is alive, I'm in no hurry.
kurochka
I'll do the screenshots but first can I confirm the default font size at least for labels? I presume you want to see screens with the default font sizes.

I do use zaurus but not as often. It used to me the only device for my needs but now ... I have Kindle DX for reader, N810 for GoldenDict, N95 for lots of stuff.
Frederic Bergeron
QUOTE(kurochka @ Sep 1 2009, 06:54 PM) *
I'll do the screenshots but first can I confirm the default font size at least for labels? I presume you want to see screens with the default font sizes.


Good idea, yes, take the screenshots with the default font. I have no idea what it is though. Clicking Reset should revert to the default font, I think.

QUOTE(kurochka @ Sep 1 2009, 06:54 PM) *
I do use zaurus but not as often. It used to me the only device for my needs but now ... I have Kindle DX for reader, N810 for GoldenDict, N95 for lots of stuff.


You're fully equipped. 8-P
kurochka
let's see if I can add all the screenshots.

er, I'd love to replace all these gadgets with just one device plus a dedicated reader. DX is fine.
Frederic Bergeron
Nice screenshots! Thanks.

It's certainly too tight to be usable. Is the Quiz and Glossary Manager also as tight as this? If so, I think the application must not be very "fun" to use. Is there no way to trigger a full-screen mode when using an application on Nokia's device? I think I've read something about that somewhere (like here).
kurochka
Here are some more. It's highly usable whether in full screen or not. The preferences window would not go into full screen. I don't know why. so the problem is only with preferences and even then I was able to do with it what I needed.
Frederic Bergeron
Thanks again for these additional screenshots. I think it looks very good in full-screen mode. For the Preferences window, I will fix it in the week-end if I have time.

I noticed that the progress bar in the Quiz is missing. Could you tell me if it's visible or not when you use the Quiz in normal mode (not full-screen)?


kurochka
QUOTE(Frederic Bergeron @ Sep 2 2009, 04:38 AM) *
I noticed that the progress bar in the Quiz is missing. Could you tell me if it's visible or not when you use the Quiz in normal mode (not full-screen)?


No, it's not there.

The menu strip is done differently in Maemo (it's a pull down menu hidden in an icon - see the glossary management screen above - the one that is not in the fullscreen mode). The progress bar appears to be in the same row on my Zaurus. On Maemo it is absent. I wonder if it's because of differences in how the menu strip is displayed.
Frederic Bergeron
Maybe in another version, I will try to make a special case for Maemo and display the progress bar somewhere else. It's no big deal anyway. Thanks for the quick reply.
Frederic Bergeron
A new version of toMOTko for Maemo is available for tests in the extra-devel repository. The Preferences and other utility windows (like Search and Edit Term windows) should be maximized. In the emulator, I cannot see whether it works or not.

@Kurochka: When you have time, could you try it and tell me if it's better. Of course, if you can submit screenshots, that would be even better.

Also, could you also try this: Apparently that clicking on the link corresponding to your distribution, with your Maemo device, that the application should install itself.

diablo
fremantle
kurochka
I'll test on diablo this weekend. Oh, so you've been able to put it into the depository. Nice.
kurochka
The N810 informed me that there is an update for toMOTko and I was able to update to the latest version without a problem. However, nothing has changed. At least I can't see anything different. So, I haven't taken any screenshots.
Frederic Bergeron
QUOTE(kurochka @ Sep 9 2009, 01:33 AM) *
The N810 informed me that there is an update for toMOTko and I was able to update to the latest version without a problem. However, nothing has changed. At least I can't see anything different. So, I haven't taken any screenshots.


That may explain why I could not see any difference either in the emulator. I'm positive though that I put some instructions to maximize the Preferences window. They are probably ignored by Maemo somehow. Hmmm... I will investigate some more on this and let you know if I find anything new. Thank you for testing it.
Frederic Bergeron
I've uploaded another version. By the time you read this message, it should be available in the repository.

This time, I can see that the Preferences Window is full-screen even in the emulator. So this time, it should work.

I have another thing I would like you to test in this version. If you make a Search (in the Edit menu), can you show the Search Dialog full-screen? And if so, is there anyway to close the window when it is in full-screen?

Also, you mentioned that the N810 informed you that there was an update of toMOTko. Was it automatic or did you have to open the package manager to receive the notification? I ask out of curiosity.
kurochka
Ok. I've installed the new update and run it through its paces. Yes, the Preferences Window is fullscreen and it cannot be made less than that by the dedicated screen-resize button (I guess it's hard-wired now). I do not see this as an issue.

The Search function works well but it cannot go into fullscreen mode. There is an additional problem. If the previous window (typically, Manage Glossaries) was in fullscreen mode, then I select Search, and minimize the Search window by tapping a minimize widget, I am stuck at the fullscreen window and there is no way to get out of it without rebooting the device. I presume that this is because the controls are still associated with the search window that has been minimized.

The same problem happens with the main Quiz window in fullscreen, and the edit window that is minimized. The reboot is required to get out of this too.

Maemo includes an update widget that from time to time checks for updates (similar to Windows and Linux). However, I do not know how often it checks for updates. This time it did not show an available update but I was able to update by following the link you've given above.
Frederic Bergeron
QUOTE(kurochka @ Sep 15 2009, 12:28 AM) *
Ok. I've installed the new update and run it through its paces. Yes, the Preferences Window is fullscreen and it cannot be made less than that by the dedicated screen-resize button (I guess it's hard-wired now). I do not see this as an issue.


Good.


QUOTE(kurochka @ Sep 15 2009, 12:28 AM) *
The Search function works well but it cannot go into fullscreen mode. There is an additional problem. If the previous window (typically, Manage Glossaries) was in fullscreen mode, then I select Search, and minimize the Search window by tapping a minimize widget, I am stuck at the fullscreen window and there is no way to get out of it without rebooting the device. I presume that this is because the controls are still associated with the search window that has been minimized.

The same problem happens with the main Quiz window in fullscreen, and the edit window that is minimized. The reboot is required to get out of this too.


That was expected for the Search Window not to be "full-screenable".

For the other issue, I will make sure that the dialog windows are not minimizable. Usually, the dialog windows are used for a short actions (like performing a search, changing a preferences setting, or edit a term) so I think it should be a problem to do so and it will prevent the issue to happen if I understand correcly.

I will release a next version shortly to this effect.

Thanks for you precious help. I know how time-consuming and bothering it can be.


QUOTE(kurochka @ Sep 15 2009, 12:28 AM) *
Maemo includes an update widget that from time to time checks for updates (similar to Windows and Linux). However, I do not know how often it checks for updates. This time it did not show an available update but I was able to update by following the link you've given above.


It seems to be well done.
kurochka
If you prevent Search and Edit dialogs from getting minimized, then it would fix this issue. Even now it is unlikely that somebody would minimize those dialogs, although it is better to fix this.

As you know, Nokia is introducing new Maemo device - N900 smartphone that has a different size screen and the new Maemo version. It remains to be seen how popular it becomes.
kurochka
Frederic,

Here is an interesting candidate for a multilingual glossary for toMOTko: http://www.iespravia.com/inmigrantes/idiomas/Diccionario.xls

Is it possible to put all of the languages into one study list and then select the needed pairs in the Glossary Management window?

The words are divided into categories. I guess the categories could go into the notes section or maybe we could subdivide the list into separate glossaries based on the categories.
Frederic Bergeron
QUOTE(kurochka @ Sep 16 2009, 02:00 AM) *
Frederic,

Here is an interesting candidate for a multilingual glossary for toMOTko: http://www.iespravia.com/inmigrantes/idiomas/Diccionario.xls

Is it possible to put all of the languages into one study list and then select the needed pairs in the Glossary Management window?

The words are divided into categories. I guess the categories could go into the notes section or maybe we could subdivide the list into separate glossaries based on the categories.


Indeed, I could create interesting glossaries from that file.

Yes, it's possible to include many languages into glossary files. When you import such files, you will be asked to check the languages that you want to retain. The corresponding data will be extracted and imported. You can keep all the languages if you want. Then, using the language selectors, you will be able to study the language of your choice.
Frederic Bergeron
A new version should be available by the time you read this. To prevent minimizing some windows (like Search Dialog), I show them in full-screen. There seems to be no easy way to remove the minimize button from a window on Maemo. Tell me if it's better like that.
kurochka
Frederic, I am so sorry. I've totally forgot about one other hardware key on N810 that allows to see all running windows, appilcations. It's something I rarely use. With this key it is possible to get out of the minimized-active-dialog-window problem.
Frederic Bergeron
QUOTE(kurochka @ Sep 18 2009, 12:04 AM) *
Frederic, I am so sorry. I've totally forgot about one other hardware key on N810 that allows to see all running windows, appilcations. It's something I rarely use. With this key it is possible to get out of the minimized-active-dialog-window problem.


Yeah, I've heard about that key. I don't know if it's guaranteed to be available on all Maemo devices so it does not hurt to be proactive and make the application easier to use. For example, on the emulator, the window switching key is not available (or if it is, I don't know to which key combination it is mapped). So I would ask you to test the latest version one more time (hopefully the last one). If you don't see any other important issues, I will promote the application for the extras repo (the non-devel one). I've never done that before but I think it will make the application easier to get for normal users. Once that is done, I can fully concentrate on version 0.12.
kurochka
It works well. I do not see any other issues. Thank you once again. If I get N900 Ill let you know how it looks on it. Its hardware and software are different.
Frederic Bergeron
Kurochka,

Someone reported that, on Maemo version, the default fonts are too small. Could you confirm please? I would be curious to know which fonts you are using for labels, fields, and language-specific ones: name and size. Should I increase the font size range?

Also, could you tell me what the usual keyboard accelerator for quitting an application on your Maemo device? Apparently that CTRL+Q doesn't work. Would you have better suggestions for default accelerators for the other actions in the context of Maemo?
kurochka
QUOTE(Frederic Bergeron @ Oct 1 2009, 05:18 PM) *
Kurochka,

Someone reported that, on Maemo version, the default fonts are too small. Could you confirm please? I would be curious to know which fonts you are using for labels, fields, and language-specific ones: name and size. Should I increase the font size range?

Also, could you tell me what the usual keyboard accelerator for quitting an application on your Maemo device? Apparently that CTRL+Q doesn't work. Would you have better suggestions for default accelerators for the other actions in the context of Maemo?


Sorry for the delay.

The fonts I use are: DeviceSymbols (large for Labels and Very large for Fields).

I am not sure for the accelerators. The only I use are: a for "correct answer"; w for open field; d for wrong answer.
Frederic Bergeron
QUOTE(kurochka @ Oct 26 2009, 08:51 AM) *
I am not sure for the accelerators. The only I use are: a for "correct answer"; w for open field; d for wrong answer.


Could you tell me if other toMOTko accelerators work on your Nokia device, especially those involving CTRL key. For example, CTRL+P should open the Preferences window, CTRL+M should invoke the Glossary Manager if it's not already visible, CTRL+S should start a quiz.

BTW, Happy New Year 2010 to everyone!!
kurochka
QUOTE(Frederic Bergeron @ Dec 30 2009, 07:02 PM) *
QUOTE(kurochka @ Oct 26 2009, 08:51 AM) *
I am not sure for the accelerators. The only I use are: a for "correct answer"; w for open field; d for wrong answer.


Could you tell me if other toMOTko accelerators work on your Nokia device, especially those involving CTRL key. For example, CTRL+P should open the Preferences window, CTRL+M should invoke the Glossary Manager if it's not already visible, CTRL+S should start a quiz.

BTW, Happy New Year 2010 to everyone!!


Happy New Year to you too.

Now that you mention it. I tried the CTR+ accelerators and they do not work. Hmm.

By the way, my wife has given me N900 for Christmas. I've installed toMOTko on it but have not yet figured out how to transfer glossaries. Thanks! The USB connection to PC freaked out on me. I'll report on my progress.
Frederic Bergeron
QUOTE(kurochka @ Jan 4 2010, 12:26 AM) *
Now that you mention it. I tried the CTR+ accelerators and they do not work. Hmm.


Is the problem there on both of your Nokia devices?

It would seem that this bug is caused by the implementation of Qt I'm using. It should be fixed when Qt-4.5 is released for Maemo. Don't know when though. I may also need to customize (or hildonize as they say) the application for the accelerators to work (or just simply remove some of them as it's apparently recommended not to use keyboard accelerators for Fremantle apps).

In case someone cares, more details can be found here:

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7600
http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance...motko/0.11.2-9/

QUOTE(kurochka @ Jan 4 2010, 12:26 AM) *
By the way, my wife has given me N900 for Christmas. I've installed toMOTko on it but have not yet figured out how to transfer glossaries. Thanks! The USB connection to PC freaked out on me. I'll report on my progress.


Nice present! I wish I had one.

I'm not sure that toMOTko will be usable on N900 because of the keyboard accelerator bug that seems to prevent CTRL+Space to switch input language. Or maybe you can switch input language in a different manner using the pointing device????

Import/Export features should work but I'm curious to know how it went in your case.
kurochka
I am travelling. So, won't be able to look closer at this for some time.
Frederic Bergeron
toMOTko for Maemo Fremantle looks awful and is unusable at the moment. I'm working on hildonizing the interface. You can follow up my progress on toMOTko's blog.
Frederic Bergeron
For N900 users, I have released tomotko 0.11.2-9fremantle1 in extras-devel repository. It's not completed yet but it's functional enough to be used. Feedback is appreciated.
Frederic Bergeron
Since last December I have resumed working on version 0.12 of toMOTko. I'm wondering if there are still any toMOTko users left that are still using the application on the Zaurus? If so, please show me a sign of life (either via this thread or PM me).
koan
I'm interested in your new version.
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