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danboid
I've heard that Linux boots on the HTC universal now, so does the Zaurus 3100 (almost) have a competitor now? How long until we can expect to see pdaxrom or openzaurus running on this?

Does the imate jasjar (or any HTC Universal based phone/pda) have 2700g graphics? I can't find anything on the net to back this up. Could it be 'modded' in? People believe this could be possible on the CXX00 Zaurii.

If its not got 2700g, what graphics chipset is it? Is it the ATI w100, as used in the CXXX Z's? How does it compare to bvdd?

So the HTC has built in wi-fi, bluetooth, phone, stereo speakers and camera and more. The REAL Zaurus advantage, of course, is we already have many fully-functional Linux versions to choose from. On the hardware side, its not much but in its defence the Z has a couple of CF slots (one for the microdrive) over the HTC but is there anything else the Z has over the Universal i'm forgetting? Does the Universal have USB host?

Anybody here own both or got a link to a comparison between the C3100 and the Universal?

Which is the best for overclocking? I'd presume both will run at 624Mhz+ comfortably- I know my C3000 does.

All this this has made me think- we've got out open OS on the Z but just how open is the Zaurus hardware (esp. the Cxx00 series)? Just how much stuff has had to be reverse-engineered to get 2.6 running on the latest Z's?

Finally, I wonder what transfer rate you can get off the HTC SD card slot (which does support SDIO, under WM5 at least)- could the speed compare to a CF slot on the Z? I realise most of these questions are about the HTC so I should post this on a HTC board if I can find one.

Could the HTC Universal (or even its soon to be released updated model Hermes) soon be a better Linux PDA than the latest Z?
koen
QUOTE(danboid @ Feb 13 2006, 08:22 PM)
I've heard that Linux boots on the HTC universal now, so does the Zaurus 3100 (almost) have a competitor now? How long until we can expect to see pdaxrom or openzaurus running on this?

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The HTC phone hackers already use OpenEmbedded, but have opted to use Familiar instead of OpenZaurus for the time being till they get Xanadux running.
danboid
I checked out the xanadux web page but it didn't say much more than 'Linux boots' for the universal. It did show a dmesg output on one page of Linux booting on a universal. looks like USB is working but theres only so much you can get from that.

No working X server yet I presume? Sound? Does it even charge and power on/off/sleep properly?

I think its still early days yet isn't it?
speculatrix
Even if only 60% of the HTC uni features are made to work in linux (screen, keyboard, display, sound, memory slot, and either wifi or bluetooth) then it will be more capable than the 1000 because it will have the built-in wireless.

I would consider buying a uni at that stage and hope that linux drivers for the cameras and phone would be coming soon afterwards!

Yes, it will be an awesome beast.
rokugo
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 15 2006, 03:39 PM)
Even if only 60% of the HTC uni features are made to work in linux (screen, keyboard, display, sound, memory slot, and either wifi or bluetooth) then it will be more capable than the 1000 because it will have the built-in wireless.
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But it has no CF slot and no USB host capability. And the screen is slightly smaller.

The keyboard backlight is nice though:
http://pocketgames.jp/modules.php?op=modlo...wcontent&id=202
danboid
HTC killer? According to this page-

http://www.firstloox.org/VGAppc.htm

The wzero03 (what's that name about?) is also made by HTC!

I don't like the slide-out keyboard design of the wzero- the clamshell zaurii and the uni have the right idea. What about if you wanted to watch a film on it? With the zero3 you'd have to buy/make a stand for it which would be another thing to have to carry = less portable.

I've seen HTC's upcoming models and nothing sounds as good as the uni. Maybe we should petition HTC to put together a super-uni with 2700g (or Stanwood) graphics, VGA out, ARMs A8 processor (is there a better embedded CPU than this?), at least 128MB RAM, USB 2.0 host, internal microdive and a CF slot running Linux with pdaxrom or Qtopia core. That would effectively replace my desktop PC.

Doesn't seem that anybody here knows anything about the state of Linux on the uni sad.gif
Ferret-Simpson
Heh, if I find out where to get one of those 3g CF cards, the UNI can go to hell!

Zaurus has a better screen (It's SHARP!) USB host, you can put an 8gb HDD in, it already HAS linux on, you can clock i happily to 624, a la the top of the range iPaq's, it has SDIO once drivers are mature (wait. . are they even being developed? or are they mature? 5600 user here!) XD, and it's possible to give them internal bluetooth. . All I wish is that we could give them bluetooth/wifi WITHOUT losing the HDD. anyone seen any small chipsets?

DAMN YOU SHARP! GIVE US Wireless ZAURII! (6000L not included)

hmm. . . The camera is something I wouldn;t mind, either. Videoconferencing is something i miss. . . Maybe someone should port aMSN 0.95?

I'm sad. . I have so many suggestions for apps to port, yet couldn't port "Hello World" To the zaurus!

Ok, so I COULD port hello world. . But that's about it, C-wise.
xamindar
Anyone know if that htc universal is available i the US? Either from a store or as an import?
Cresho
yes sharp is starting to lagg but just remember who stuck to handheld organizers the longest.....i can remember 1985. 21 years?

they will reinvent the zaurus sooner or later. probably waiting to see the direction os the market is taking.

I am sure sharp will continue with zaurus linux based system since china is so big and hates windows. can make a difference for us if you know what i mean.
Meanie
QUOTE(Cresho @ Mar 2 2006, 04:22 PM)
yes sharp is starting to lagg but just remember who stuck to handheld organizers the longest.....i can remember 1985.  21 years?

they will reinvent the zaurus sooner or later.  probably waiting to see the direction os the market is taking.

I am sure sharp will continue with zaurus linux based system since china is so big and hates windows.  can make a difference for us if you know what i mean.
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yeah, zaurus are being sold in china now. lots of ads about them on tv.
Da_Blitz
I have a small bluetooth and usb hub that when put together are the same size as a CF card, i plan to make a card that slides into the CF slot but plugs into USB instead, if you are willing to lose the SD slot then you can fit stuff in there

but if i had the chance i would not heseitate in grabing the universal, unless i can find a usb evdo modem thats cheap and not on a plan or an old clamshell with bluetooth that i can leave in my pocket/bag as a modem

ATI w100 is not used in the cxx00 sereis, it uses the cpu's vido hardware (same with the universal

SD speed should be the same, and a clever hacker CAN give nearly all pxa270 bassed PDA USB host.

2.6 runs on the cxx00 seris expect it after the next release of open zaurus, also there are some developments with kexec on the ARM platform that might allow dual booting and a PC style /boot folder so you can have multiple distros and kerenels
speculatrix
people might like to note that the universal now seems to have reached the functionality of the C1000 with bluetooth and wifi added.

http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...iversalProgress

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...nstalling_Linux

it's now becoming a serious contender for zaurus-killer. Sharp, are you there? Do you WANT to lose the race?
Snappy
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jun 20 2006, 06:24 AM)
people might like to note that the universal now seems to have reached the functionality of the C1000 with bluetooth and wifi added.

http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...iversalProgress

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...nstalling_Linux

it's now becoming a serious contender for zaurus-killer. Sharp, are you there? Do you WANT to lose the race?
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Somehow I doubt SHARP is reading this forum ... tongue.gif unsure.gif
Ferret-Simpson
You never know.

Well, if they do, they should note the PP aswell as the UNI.

Along with the OQO and the others of Microsofts latest "Bad idea" for mobile computing, Sharp could be in for some hard work unless they buck their ideas up a little. The zaurus has the potential to sell well, globally, if only they make the right decisions.
amrein
Well, perhaps there is hope. The wzero03 is made by HTC, isn't it? The design is a bit "Sharp" but... it's HTC. Why couldn't they use HTC again and build a Linux universal device? Nothing prevent them from that. SL-X5000 turbo fuel injection ;-)

So my dream machine : HTC Universal hardware + Inbuild 4 Go CF + Linux. I don't need more really. In fact, as I already own a QTEK 9000 since 2005, I won't upgrade, but there is so much people in US dreaming about the HTC Universal hardware + GNU/Linux as native OS.

... in fact, I would think twice... and would jump to the first store I think.
danboid
It sounds as if the uni port of Linux is coming on now, but

* Is charging, suspend and resume working under uni Linux yet?

* Can I use the phone under Linux?

I have a friend with a uni who can't wait to install Linux on it but those have been the main things stopping his conversion. Are things different now I wonder?
Mickeyl
Suspend/resume (kind of) works, no charging or power management yet.

They'll eventually get there, but it is _very_ hard. It's not possible to give any estimates at this point of time. We Zaurus guys are very lucky -- although the embedix code is of very low quality, at least we _have_ a bit of code.
speculatrix
QUOTE(Mickeyl @ Jun 26 2006, 02:15 PM)
Suspend/resume (kind of) works, no charging or power management yet.

They'll eventually get there, but it is _very_ hard. It's not possible to give any estimates at this point of time. We Zaurus guys are very lucky -- although the embedix code is of very low quality, at least we _have_ a bit of code.
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they do have a few things going for them... they can boot WinCE and run diagnostics tools, and some of the peripherals have appeared in devices such as Motorola's where code is available. One of the biggest issues is a custom chip which is undocumented, and it takes a lot of effort to work out what it does!

..but the built-in bluetooth and wifi DO work.

my fear is that, as has happened before, is that by the time it's getting close to complete, HTC will change the design and set it all back 6 months. whilst people moan about about Sharp's evolutionary process for the Z, at least it's fairly stable; only the 6000's video chip has remained somewhat of a mystery!
danboid
Wifi and bluetooth work? Great news!

No GP®S?

What is the best GPE/X app for mobile telephony i.e. what will uniLinux users use to make calls?
speculatrix
QUOTE(danboid @ Jun 26 2006, 04:50 PM)
Wifi and bluetooth work? Great news!

No GP®S?

What is the best GPE/X app for mobile telephony i.e. what will uniLinux users use to make calls?
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they're still working on the phone module; one of the cameras should work soon since it's a known quantity.

they've got rfcomm over bluetooth so GPS working; not got bluetooth audio working properly; got BT mouse/keyboard working as well.

the key is that the people working on it are very dedicated and almost certainly sufficiently dedicated to get it all working... won't be long now before there'll be no point in buying a Zaurus. Maybe Anton will get interested and port Cacko, which would swing it for me!
Ferret-Simpson
heh, gpRs.

No, the phone interface isn't known yet. One of those HTC jobs that initializing is hell.

As far as making/recieving calls. . . There's a program called "Gommunicator" for GPE that I used once while experimenting with GPE on cortana. It's used on the Blue Angel.

http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Gomunicator
danboid
What is the transfer rate to/from SD card on a uni? Same question for the cxx00 (I'd presume its the same)? I've seen SD cards advertised as being 150x, which is about 22MB/s? Can either (or both) machine use those cards at full speed?

Does the uni have USB2 hi-speed host capability i.e could I plug an externally-powered USB2 DVD-RW drive into it?? Obviously this would be no use if I'm only getting 1MB/s or less to/from the SD card.
Ferret-Simpson
As standard there is no OTG on the Uni (I think: Not tested it) Since at least one internal USB host port is hooked up to the Qualcomm Phone Processor.

Out of the two main Dev's one's on holiday, and the other is PCless. So no Uni code updates for a while now.

A major problem is that the 128MB DiskonChip has no linux driver at ALL, so there is no way to actually install linux, it has to be booted from SD like a LiveCD. Which is all well and good till you want to copy a file from your desktop.
Da_Blitz
The disk on chip driver shouldnt take too long to whip up once someone gets to it, there are enough disk on chip drivers in the linux source already

SD should be the same, USB should be the same (2 host internal, one client/OTG)

it is OTG capable but there is no hardware for it so no OTG. its simmilar to the x30 i am working on, it might be posible to hack together an otg transreciver but its going to be ugly

oh and its the anoying USB 2.0: Full speed ie 12mbps sad.gif
Ferret-Simpson
How many PDA's do you HAVE? XD

I'm guessing it's one of the earlier things the kernel guy will fix when he gets back from holiday. . . I mean, it's fairly simple, if you're correct, (Although I have no doubt that you are) and it's a big step towards decent linux compatability, because once you can install it, It just looks better to other potential devs. XD Cameras, look like later things to do, because they have Kernel 2.4 and non-existant drivers at the moment, and the Phone and APM are kinda more important.
Da_Blitz
only the c3000 and the x30 but i keep up to date on most kernel development for arm and embedded platforms, call it a hobby wink.gif

i do hawever "look after" a wide range of PDAs for people, and basically kept them up to date and nice and fast as well as recomend software to meet thier needs (under windows CE)

but when it comes down to it most of the pdas are very simle variations of the same hardware, know one back to frount and you know them all
Ferret-Simpson
Aye, I mean the Uni and the CK's. . . The underlying hardware is the same. . PXA270, 64MB ram, 128MB Flash, 640x480 Touchscreen (Different types, slightly, but lets not nitpick) A keyboard, an SD slot, and some buttons. After that it's just optimisation for the different tasks. Andding Cameras, Phones, Microdrives, CF slots. . .

But why did the WM5 device have to have the best keyboard? :cry:
Da_Blitz
the only diffrence is the ASIC they ship with and if the SD card is connected to the ASIC or the processor

thats the hard part as its undocumented
futaris
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but what is the latest status of Linux on the HTC universal, etc???
Antikx
QUOTE(futaris @ Nov 18 2006, 04:37 AM)
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but what is the latest status of Linux on the HTC universal, etc???
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http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?p=470
Da_Blitz
in a word i would say "intresting"

i didnt relise so much work had been done (http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus), once the patches are merged with the mainline it looks like it will get a bit more hardware support (such as cameras)

i might just point out that handhelds uses an old fork of the kernel with ALOT of patches that are handy for testing, however it has lead to alot of work repeated around the place, last time i checked there were 3 cpufreq scaling patches, one on this fourm, one in the handhelds tree and one in the mainline (althogh the one here i belive got merged with the mainline)

i think the most important part on that site is this:
QUOTE
November 10, 2006

The phone is now working, we are able to make and receive calls (but still useless since we dont have a sounddriver). Have tried to send and recive sms but with luck.

We also moved over to kernel 2.6.18. I have tried it and it works as .17. When we are able to get the sounddriver solved we will reomve all .12 content. This is because the status of the 18 will be more complete than with .12, and AFAIK there will be no more working on the .12 sources.


so it lt looks like a merger with the mainline (so easy to compile yourself) and i belive that would allow for them to work with the embedded alsa stuff so that the driver will be written once and work with any device that uses the same sound chip (instead of a new sound driver for every diffrent model)

oh well thats my brief rundown of the technicals, hope you guys can find some more (perhaps a link to the mainingl ist where they talk about the call stuff ?)
futaris
Great. Does USB Host / OTG work?
nilch
Does the HTC also support VGA out unlike the Sharp Zaurus ?
That would really make it tempting.
koen
QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Nov 19 2006, 03:47 AM)
so it lt looks like a merger with the mainline (so easy to compile yourself) and i belive that would allow for them to work with the embedded alsa stuff so that the driver will be written once and work with any device that uses the same sound chip (instead of a new sound driver for every diffrent model)


No, it means a merger with the hh.org 2.6.18 kernel. I wouldn't expect mainline support for the universal in the next 2 years.
Da_Blitz
oh so hh finally did update to 2.6.18, i remeber them talking about it back when 2.6.17 came out

no vga out and no usb host
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