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Legodude522
I would like to get a bible on my Zaurus SL-C1000. Is there anything free? Or anything at all? What is the best method of doing so?

Cheers!
adf
QUOTE(Legodude522 @ Feb 21 2006, 03:50 AM)
I would like to get a bible on my Zaurus SL-C1000.  Is there anything free?  Or anything at all?  What is the best method of doing so?

Cheers!
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I just read something in the software megapost on sword and dagger and jsword from project sword.
Legodude522
QUOTE(adf @ Feb 21 2006, 12:56 AM)
QUOTE(Legodude522 @ Feb 21 2006, 03:50 AM)
I would like to get a bible on my Zaurus SL-C1000.  Is there anything free?  Or anything at all?  What is the best method of doing so?

Cheers!
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I just read something in the software megapost on sword and dagger and jsword from project sword.
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I tried it on my SL-C1000. Doesn't seem to work right. It only shows one book. I wish I wasn't limited to tablet mode.

Anything else out there?
edoc
QUOTE(Legodude522 @ Feb 21 2006, 01:34 AM)
QUOTE(adf @ Feb 21 2006, 12:56 AM)
QUOTE(Legodude522 @ Feb 21 2006, 03:50 AM)
I would like to get a bible on my Zaurus SL-C1000.  Is there anything free?  Or anything at all?  What is the best method of doing so?

Cheers!
*

I just read something in the software megapost on sword and dagger and jsword from project sword.
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I tried it on my SL-C1000. Doesn't seem to work right. It only shows one book. I wish I wasn't limited to tablet mode.

Anything else out there?
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There is a discussion of porting the NET Bible to the Sword
project here:

Linux4christians mailing list
Linux4christians@thelinuxlink.net
http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listin...inux4christians

Nothing specific to the Zaurus other than my mention of it.

I tried one of the apps and it didn't display well either. Guess
we will have to offer to test Sword Project apps on our C1000's
so they are sure to tweak them to work properly.

I am still unclear if JSword will run under any of the versions
of Java that may be loaded to the C1000. (I am using Cacko
and do not know how that impacts the Java choices.)

doc
the_oak
Try handango.com, click on Linux link, and type "Bible" in search box. There are free pdf or html versions of the King James Bible.
edoc
QUOTE(the_oak @ Feb 21 2006, 02:19 PM)
Try handango.com, click on Linux link, and type "Bible" in search box. There are free pdf or html versions of the King James Bible.
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I need something that is not translation-centric.

I tend to prefer modern translations with lots of translation detail embedded.

The NET Bible and the Amplified Bible are personal preferences.

What I like about the Sword Project is that it equips one to choose the translation
or translations one prefers.

When dealing with older Christians and/or those raised in more traditional churches
I may use the KJV a lot as they are comfortable with it.

When dealing with new believers Elizabethan English is not helpful. There are
also words in the KJV that now have the opposite meaning so that one would get
the entirely wrong message. (I do not wish to engage a translation debate.)

Given the imperfection of the translation process I let the Holy Spirit guide me to
the English phraseology that best causes my mind to get the correct message --
always consistent with the rest of the Word and of course with the character of
God.

Sorry for the extra commentary, just felt the need to explain why I cannot make
use of your kind suggestion.

doc
chal
QUOTE(edoc @ Feb 21 2006, 08:38 PM)
QUOTE(the_oak @ Feb 21 2006, 02:19 PM)
Try handango.com, click on Linux link, and type "Bible" in search box. There are free pdf or html versions of the King James Bible.
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I need something that is not translation-centric.

I tend to prefer modern translations with lots of translation detail embedded.

The NET Bible and the Amplified Bible are personal preferences.

What I like about the Sword Project is that it equips one to choose the translation
or translations one prefers.

When dealing with older Christians and/or those raised in more traditional churches
I may use the KJV a lot as they are comfortable with it.

When dealing with new believers Elizabethan English is not helpful. There are
also words in the KJV that now have the opposite meaning so that one would get
the entirely wrong message. (I do not wish to engage a translation debate.)

Given the imperfection of the translation process I let the Holy Spirit guide me to
the English phraseology that best causes my mind to get the correct message --
always consistent with the rest of the Word and of course with the character of
God.

Sorry for the extra commentary, just felt the need to explain why I cannot make
use of your kind suggestion.

doc
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The NET Bible is HTML, so no need to wait for a PDA version. I use Just Reader to study (very readable on my sl5500), because it loads the links to the footnotes quickly. I run qpsword alongside mostly for the Strong's, ISBE and commentaries.
edoc
QUOTE(chal @ Feb 21 2006, 06:46 PM)
The NET Bible is HTML, so no need to wait for a PDA version. I use Just Reader to study (very readable on my sl5500), because it loads the links to the footnotes quickly. I run qpsword alongside mostly for the Strong's, ISBE and commentaries.
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Wow, I downloaded the NET Bible but couldn't unzip it on my C1000 (anyone recommend an unzip
ipk?)

I unzipped it on my laptop then transferred it to a SD Card.

Not only is it huge but it is slow and unavailable to search as-is.

Where might I find an ipk for Just Reader, please?

I will go and grab qpsword -- di I need the unifont package for my C1000 w.Cacko?

Thanks! doc
edoc
QUOTE(edoc @ Feb 22 2006, 12:30 PM)
Where might I find an ipk for Just Reader, please?


Just Reader works well. Thanks!

QUOTE(edoc @ Feb 22 2006, 12:30 PM)
I will go and grab qpsword -- do I need the unifont package for my C1000 w.Cacko?


qpsword is a little weird on the C1000 but works.

I downloaded a couple of translations (ASV & KJV) plus a bunch
of reference materials (MHCC, Naves, etc.).

When I open ASV I see no menu item to call MHCC or any of the other apps.
What am I missing, please?

I am really excited to have multiple translations and Bible resources on my
C1000! The resources of WordSearch got me through the Seminary and
many sermons and teaching contexts -- the C1000 will prove equally valuable
I am sure.

Thanks! doc
xamindar
I just use opie-reader with a plucker version of the bible that works great for me. You might want to try that.
edoc
QUOTE(xamindar @ Feb 22 2006, 03:31 PM)
I just use opie-reader with a plucker version of the bible that works great for me.  You might want to try that.
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"plucker"

Wazzat? ;-)

doc
xamindar
QUOTE(edoc @ Feb 22 2006, 07:28 PM)
QUOTE(xamindar @ Feb 22 2006, 03:31 PM)
I just use opie-reader with a plucker version of the bible that works great for me.  You might want to try that.
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"plucker"

Wazzat? ;-)

doc
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Plucker is just a document format that opie-reader can read. I think it supports many document formats but I just happened to find the bible in the plucker format for opie-reader.
edoc
QUOTE(xamindar @ Feb 22 2006, 11:50 PM)
QUOTE(edoc @ Feb 22 2006, 07:28 PM)
QUOTE(xamindar @ Feb 22 2006, 03:31 PM)
I just use opie-reader with a plucker version of the bible that works great for me.  You might want to try that.
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"plucker"

Wazzat? ;-)

doc
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Plucker is just a document format that opie-reader can read. I think it supports many document formats but I just happened to find the bible in the plucker format for opie-reader.
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Thanks for the clarification! Thought it might be a regional colloquialism
with which I was not aware.

I will check out Opie Reader and the list of Plucker-type Bible resources.

doc
Legodude522
Hmm. I'll have to try that smile.gif
Storm
QUOTE(edoc @ Feb 22 2006, 11:28 PM)
"plucker"

Wazzat?  ;-)

doc
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Plucker is a very cool website scraper. You can easily turn a web page or site into an e-book. I've been using it since my Palm days. The basic concept is that on your Linux or Windows desktop, you feed plucker a website and options and it creates a pdb.

Tim Wentford's opie-reader is probably the best e-book reader I've found on the Zaurus. It reads html, plucker, Mobipocket, weasel and several other formats.

I have another question. What free translation most closely resembles NIV?

Thanks,
--Storm
chal
QUOTE
When I open ASV I see no menu item to call MHCC or any of the other apps.
What am I missing, please?


This is the main flaw I see in qpsword. Try pressing your stylus on the body of the text, (where the bible verses are) and holding it down. A menu should then pop up and then you can select from whatever you have installed. It's a little tricky at first, but once you get the feel of it, it's not too bad.
edoc
QUOTE(Storm @ Feb 25 2006, 03:34 PM)
I have another question. What free translation most closely resembles NIV?
Thanks,  --Storm 


I would recommend the NET Bible.

The NIV was originally contracted as a HS-age translation but when they
discovered churches were using them as pew rack Bibles they discontinued
mention of that.

There are many "in order to simplify" compromises made in the NIV that round
the edges of complete accuracy for the sake of a less challenging read for HS
students.

The NET is a very modern translation that is also very readable and it
educates the reader who chooses to refer to the included translator's
notes about the shades of meaning that challenge translators.

Most of the other free translations are very old and suffer from no-longer-
accurate English dialects or are biased toward a peculiar theological philosophy.

IMHO, YMMV ... doc
xamindar
QUOTE(edoc @ Feb 25 2006, 01:20 PM)
QUOTE(Storm @ Feb 25 2006, 03:34 PM)
I have another question. What free translation most closely resembles NIV?
Thanks,  --Storm 


I would recommend the NET Bible.

The NIV was originally contracted as a HS-age translation but when they
discovered churches were using them as pew rack Bibles they discontinued
mention of that.

There are many "in order to simplify" compromises made in the NIV that round
the edges of complete accuracy for the sake of a less challenging read for HS
students.

The NET is a very modern translation that is also very readable and it
educates the reader who chooses to refer to the included translator's
notes about the shades of meaning that challenge translators.

Most of the other free translations are very old and suffer from no-longer-
accurate English dialects or are biased toward a peculiar theological philosophy.

IMHO, YMMV ... doc
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hmm, I don't think that answers his question at all.
edoc
QUOTE(xamindar @ Feb 25 2006, 06:05 PM)
QUOTE(edoc @ Feb 25 2006, 01:20 PM)
QUOTE(Storm @ Feb 25 2006, 03:34 PM)
I have another question. What free translation most closely resembles NIV?
Thanks,  --Storm 


I would recommend the NET Bible.

... doc


hmm, I don't think that answers his question at all.
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I am not sure how it fails but please permit me to state it more simply.

See my prior reply truncated to six words.

doc
TimW
I've been working on a piece of software with similar functionality to plucker desktop but which isn't so heavily tied to the palm format (leading to poor compression) or to python (making it too slow to run on the Zaurus). As a quick test I decided to run the Net Bible though it (but not on the Zaurus - that wouldn't work on my SL5000 8^). I've ended up with a file 4.6MB in size with reasonably fast random access (especially when you consider that decompression happens on the fly to save on memory and disk space).

It should work with the latest version of opie-reader (or I can supply my latest stable version if it doesn't) but I have no way of hosting/sending it to anyone. If anyone does want it and can allow me temporary access to ftp the file to them (especially if they can host the file afterwards if anyone else is interested) by all means PM or mail me (timwentford AT hotmail DOT com). Or can I upload it here (if there is sufficient interest)?

You do lose the frames but everything else seems intact. And opening the file is a bit slow.
lareya
Hi,
I would be interested in it. Can't you u/l it to one of our 3 software repository sites? or are they only just linked files?

Lareya
edoc
QUOTE(TimW @ Mar 10 2006, 11:37 AM)
I've been working on a piece of software with similar functionality to plucker desktop but which isn't so heavily tied to the palm format (leading to poor compression) or to python (making it too slow to run on the Zaurus). As a quick test I decided to run the Net Bible though it (but not on the Zaurus - that wouldn't work on my SL5000 8^). I've ended up with a file 4.6MB in size with reasonably fast random access (especially when you consider that decompression happens on the fly to save on memory and disk space).

It should work with the latest version of opie-reader (or I can supply my latest stable version if it doesn't) but I have no way of hosting/sending it to anyone. If anyone does want it and can allow me temporary access to ftp the file to them (especially if they can host the file afterwards if anyone else is interested) by all means PM or mail me (timwentford AT hotmail DOT com). Or can I upload it here (if there is sufficient interest)?

You do lose the frames but everything else seems intact. And opening the file is a bit slow.
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I'd say upload it here! It makes for a stable long-term host to which we may direct others.

I have a C1000 with Cacko, don't know if it would work or not.

doc
TimW
QUOTE(edoc @ Mar 11 2006, 04:03 AM)
I'd say upload it here!  It makes for a stable long-term host to which we may direct others.

I have a C1000 with Cacko, don't know if it would work or not.

doc
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I tried uploading it here but nothing seems to happen. It's probably too big since I can upload smaller files. I've a couple of other things I can try.

I tried ELSI but that isn't letting me upload, either. One more thing to try....
TimW
I had a brainwave. I zipped the file first and I'm allowed to upload zipped files.

Unzip it and you'll get netbible.7.128.J10.rb which you can open up in opie-reader - if it doesn't work, post here and I'll put my version of opie-reader up which definitely has all the updates necessary to read it.

The key to the filename is obsucre and you don't really need to understand it, but for the curious:

7 = 3.5MB decompression buffer required (make this smaller and the file size goes up)
128 = 128kb per compression block - larger is better for compression but worse random access performance. The optimum value for the previous caule increases as you increase this.
J10 = lump 10 pages together in each compression block - larger gives better compression (subject to the 128), smaller gives better random access. (Note this does not affect how the pages are displayed - they are still separate pages).

This last value was the key to getting the performance up - I'd lumped everything into one block which meant the entire index needed to be decompressed at start up - and there are a *lot* of links in the Net Bible 8^).

If you find the performance acceptable and want a smaller file. let me know - or vice versa, of course.
DaemonsGR
Sorry to ask ..but why do you need the bible on Zaurus?
I cant imagine a prist performing with a Z in his hands smile.gif
Legodude522
QUOTE(DaemonsGR @ Mar 20 2006, 11:31 AM)
Sorry to ask ..but why do you need the bible on Zaurus?
I cant imagine a prist performing with a Z in his hands smile.gif
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Zaurus has a cool keyboard for typing in fast biggrin.gif

Zaurus is larger than pocket bibles, lol.
kurochka
QUOTE(DaemonsGR @ Mar 20 2006, 07:31 AM)
Sorry to ask ..but why do you need the bible on Zaurus?
I cant imagine a prist performing with a Z in his hands smile.gif
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Because not only priests read the Bible. The Bible is the only book that I need to have on my person at all times and it makes Zaurus the perfect companion. Having search functionality is the next big feature.
Ferret-Simpson
I have something very similar actually. Sort of the Non-Christian version.

2 programs, which I found via my GPRS card, while bored in physics.

the Particle Database Groups guide to Elementary particles (zPDG)
and a Periodic Table of Elements (zElement)

Atheistic Porta-bible.

And actually, being that this is 2006, I can QUITE see a priest reading from the holy e-Book.

I'd rather see that worldwide, than see someone install . . |shudders|

I think I may have died and gone to hell. My worst nightmares are coming true

the Zaurus HN6000 runs Windows CE. (yeah, the Evil twin of the SL-6000N)
AND Sharp have OEM'd it to Hitachi.
Greg2
QUOTE(TimW @ Mar 20 2006, 09:09 AM)
Unzip it and you'll get netbible.7.128.J10.rb which you can open up in opie-reader 

It works very well with version 0.7j.

Thank you Tim.

Greg
wasilvers
http://www.crosswire.org/feeds/arm/ipk/zaurus/

crosswire has zaurus ipks and many, many Bible versions. Also can get a dictionary, strongs greek and hebrew referece books -linked to KJV (didn't try the other versions), and more.

I like the search features - but if it doesn't retrieve one result (like you misspell King Nebuchaneezar), mine quits the program. Just a little annoying.

Otherwise works great. Just explore crosswire.org - I found great stuff there.

Will
chal
QUOTE(DaemonsGR @ Mar 20 2006, 03:31 PM)
Sorry to ask ..but why do you need the bible on Zaurus?
I cant imagine a prist performing with a Z in his hands smile.gif
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I taught Sunday School and Bible Studies for 15 years. I have used every Bible software, for Linux or Windows that I could lay my hands on as well as my Zaurus, in classes and the Z especially to follow along with readings in worship services. I have arthritis and thumbing through pages and searching cross references is just too slow with books. Also with my Z, I have an entire library (theological as well as general at my fingertips) for references and in depth study. Just becasue it's the Bible, doesn't mean you have to study it in a cave by candlelight.
guylhem
Hello

For the french speakers around here, I provide the Bible and the Coran :
http://externe.net/religion/

I would be happy to add additional religious book. Too bad the Tripitaka is not fully translated in english. (www.canonpali.org)

Guylhem
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