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hch
hi zaurus ownert!

sorry for this totally newbie question. i am planning to buy a zaurus-sl-1000 and before i spend >$500, i just would like to know, what to expect.

if i add a decent amount of cf/sd memory, is this device more or less a laptop replacement? e.i., can i install/compile a random linux/X/GTK/motif etc. package on it? like e.g. firefox, freeciv, latex, ghostviev, gcc etc? and if it is not prepackaged, do i have a reasonable chance of compiling it myself? or am i limited to qtopia apps and to what is described in the zaurus software index?

thanks in advance!
Cresho
pdaxrom on the c1000 might give you this advantage. I hope a pdaxrom user comes in and puts his input.
Armagon
QUOTE(hch @ Mar 10 2006, 10:47 AM)
if i add a decent amount of cf/sd memory, is this device more or less a laptop replacement? e.i., can i install/compile a random linux/X/GTK/motif etc. package on it? like e.g. firefox, freeciv, latex, ghostviev, gcc etc? and if it is not prepackaged, do i have a reasonable chance of compiling it myself? or am i limited to qtopia apps and to what is described in the zaurus software index?
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Well, I run pdaXrom on my C1000. It is one of the best choices if you want to run/compile X windows applications. [OZ/GPE is another choice to consider, but I don't know as much about it.]

The pdaXrom tool-chain is very nice; it really isn't that hard to cross-compile applications, and you can also natively compile them. I was able to compile inkscape, which uses gtkmm (and hence gtk and x libraries), and, although I was daunted at first, it really wasn't that difficult. KDE also runs (but really slowly), and the headers to compile for it aren't readily available yet.

So, yes, you've got a great chance of being able to compile random linux applications. Your biggest problems are going to be speed and memory. Inkscape, for example, is short on both. Speed can be helped by overclocking (many C1000s will run at 600MHz), and memory can be helped by putting a swap partition on a CF or SD card.


There is also an active community on these forums, who answer lots of questions, and pdaXrom is under active development. There are also many applications already available. pdaXrom is a great choice if you want to run standard applications.

As for being a laptop replacement -- well, I suppose it depends what you want to do with a laptop. It would not be incorrect to say that I got my C1000 as a laptop replacement. It is wonderful for reading with and for listening to music. (I presume that movies and games work fine, but really haven't tried.) The biggest shortcomming is in typing speed. While I shudder to think what the unit would be like without the (perfectly functional, but somewhat slow) thumbboard, I really wish I had a keyboard. -- But, all is not lost! With the USB-to-go capabilities, I can plug a keyboard (or mouse) into it. [I just need to decide upon and purchase a keyboard.] With a full-sized keyboard, I think my Z'll do everything I need of a laptop. [Edit: make sure you get a Z-Host cable if you get a Zaurus SL-C1000/3x00. This lets you connect standard USB devices to your Z.]

I hope that helps a little.

Oh yeah. If you do run pdaXrom, you will not be able to natively run the Qtopia apps that come with the Z. If they are important to you, it is possible to dual-boot. [Recompilation is also a possibility, but some are closed-source.]

Armagon
hch
thanks so much for this detailed reply! this is exactly what i hoped to hear.

i don't care so much for qt applications (well, i don't know them yet) and i used to type really fast on that old hp-95 lx i had - fast enough for me at least, i don't need to do word processing. so i guess pdaxrom will be my friend :-)

one question though: you seem to imply that it's possible to natively compile on the zaurus? so under pdaxrom there is gcc available? that would be really cool!

thanks again,

chris
bluedevils
even if you did need word processing, there is abiword and gnumeric for spreadsheets.
Armagon
QUOTE(hch @ Mar 10 2006, 01:59 PM)
one question though: you seem to imply that it's possible to natively compile on the zaurus? so under pdaxrom there is gcc available? that would be really cool!
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You sure can. There is a compressed image call zgcc; IIRC you just need to put it in the right location and reboot and it works. [I did some minor compilation on my Z, trying to learn SDL. Works like a charm. The compilers can be found here: http://www.pdaxrom.org/index.php?showid=33&menuid=11 . Note that you only need the kernel compiler if you are building the kernel]

The most important pdaXrom links are:Since your interested in coding, I thought I'd mention that a standard install of pdaXrom also has support for python and pyGTK.

Armagon
lardman
QUOTE
if i add a decent amount of cf/sd memory, is this device more or less a laptop replacement? e.i., can i install/compile a random linux/X/GTK/motif etc. package on it? like e.g. firefox, freeciv, latex, ghostviev, gcc etc? and if it is not prepackaged, do i have a reasonable chance of compiling it myself?


Another option is OpenZaurus. You could install OZ/GPE which gives you an X11 based system. The OpenZaurus distro contains a very large number of up-to-date packages (some in the current feeds, others in the OE meta-data). OZ also uses an all-in-one build system which builds the toolchain/compiler and support files for you automatically and existing packages can then be built automatically from the meta-data.

OZ also uses the 2.6.x kernel (which will be released soon for the c1k, it's already available for the c7x0 machines).


Si
Armagon
I asked What do you wish you'd known when you were a newbie, and one of the many great answers was:

QUOTE(gr8ful @ Dec 5 2005, 06:42 AM)
2. ...wish you'd done or hadn't...
~ Taken a week or so and try every ROM and then pick a favorite
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It is definitely worth doing. All of the linux distributions (aka ROM images or ROMs for short) serve different purposes, and are worth trying.

The most repeated recommendations were to back up and know the restore process.
hch
QUOTE(Armagon @ Mar 11 2006, 07:33 PM)
I asked What do you wish you'd known when you were a newbie, and one of the many great answers was:

QUOTE(gr8ful @ Dec 5 2005, 06:42 AM)
2. ...wish you'd done or hadn't...
~ Taken a week or so and try every ROM and then pick a favorite
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It is definitely worth doing. All of the linux distributions (aka ROM images or ROMs for short) serve different purposes, and are worth trying.

The most repeated recommendations were to back up and know the restore process.
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thanks, i'll do that :-)

but first i have to buy my 'Z' - can't wait for it now. and it seems there is a grat user community to look forward to!

thanks again for all the suggestions and tips.
uth
QUOTE(Armagon @ Mar 10 2006, 04:35 PM)
Oh yeah.  If you do run pdaXrom, you will not be able to natively run the Qtopia apps that come with the Z.  If they are important to you, it is possible to dual-boot.  [Recompilation is also a possibility, but some are closed-source.]


Are there any good guides to setting up dual-boot? I've searched the forum, and found things mentioned here and there, but not a good guide.

Ideally, I'd like to keep Sharp or Cacko installed on the Z, but have the option to boot into pdaXrom or OZ from a CF/SD card if inserted. Is this possible?
Srono
QUOTE(uth @ Mar 14 2006, 10:33 PM)
QUOTE(Armagon @ Mar 10 2006, 04:35 PM)
Oh yeah.  If you do run pdaXrom, you will not be able to natively run the Qtopia apps that come with the Z.  If they are important to you, it is possible to dual-boot.  [Recompilation is also a possibility, but some are closed-source.]


Are there any good guides to setting up dual-boot? I've searched the forum, and found things mentioned here and there, but not a good guide.

Ideally, I'd like to keep Sharp or Cacko installed on the Z, but have the option to boot into pdaXrom or OZ from a CF/SD card if inserted. Is this possible?
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Yes, there is an instruction for dual-boot with cacko & pdaxrom in this forum.
uth
QUOTE(Srono @ Mar 14 2006, 12:21 PM)
QUOTE(uth @ Mar 14 2006, 10:33 PM)
QUOTE(Armagon @ Mar 10 2006, 04:35 PM)
Oh yeah.  If you do run pdaXrom, you will not be able to natively run the Qtopia apps that come with the Z.  If they are important to you, it is possible to dual-boot.  [Recompilation is also a possibility, but some are closed-source.]


Are there any good guides to setting up dual-boot? I've searched the forum, and found things mentioned here and there, but not a good guide.

Ideally, I'd like to keep Sharp or Cacko installed on the Z, but have the option to boot into pdaXrom or OZ from a CF/SD card if inserted. Is this possible?
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Yes, there is an instruction for dual-boot with cacko & pdaxrom in this forum.
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Is it this one?
http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12111

(BTW it took many searches of "dualboot" "dual-boot" "dual boot" "dual"... before that thread finally turned up. There are far more dualboot questions than answers in these forums... It really should be a howto topic in the wiki... maybe I'll start it, and others can expand it. /rant)
uth
QUOTE(uth @ Mar 14 2006, 02:39 PM)
QUOTE(Srono @ Mar 14 2006, 12:21 PM)
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Yes, there is an instruction for dual-boot with cacko & pdaxrom in this forum.
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Is it this one?
http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12111

(BTW it took many searches of "dualboot" "dual-boot" "dual boot" "dual"... before that thread finally turned up. There are far more dualboot questions than answers in these forums... It really should be a howto topic in the wiki... maybe I'll start it, and others can expand it. /rant)
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I've created a wikipage on dual-booting: http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Dual_Booting. I'd appreciate it if anyone who has more knowledge on the topic than me (probably everyone smile.gif ) can review it, fix it, expand it and add more goodies.

Dual-booting seems to be an area that we newbies get frustrated trying to find information on. Hopefully this will be helpful.
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