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Storm
Been looking for the new Hentges image for Collie. Any idea when it will be available?

--Storm
CoreDump
QUOTE(Storm @ Apr 5 2006, 03:46 PM)
Been looking for the new Hentges image for Collie. Any idea when it will be available?

--Storm
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Probably next week. Akita & Collie GPE images are 98% done, Opie needs some more testing but could be shipped as it is.

I'm currently waiting for a few not-so minor bugs to be fixed in 3.5.4.1
dansawyer
I would like to add Opie Camera to a Hentges build. Is it documented somewhere how that can be done?

Is it different then adding it to a base release?

In the past Hentges use or format of the SD card was different then a base release. Is this still true? If so how is it different?

Thanks - Dan
CoreDump
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 9 2006, 02:27 PM)
I would like to add Opie Camera to a Hentges build. Is it documented somewhere how that can be done?

Is it different then adding it to a base release?


It isn't.

QUOTE
In the past Hentges use or format of the SD card was different then a base release. Is this still true? If so how is it different?

Thanks - Dan
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It was never different after the installation was completed.
Snappy
I await its arrival with eager anticipations .. ok ok, with a drooling face and open arms! tongue.gif
CoreDump
RC4 with GPE and Opie for Collie and Akita is uploading ATM
Antikx
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 11 2006, 01:43 PM)
RC4 with GPE and Opie for Collie and Akita is uploading ATM
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Please forgive my ignorance but how is this ROM different than the OZ 3.5.4.1 GPE?
I went to the URL in your sig but failed to find a satisfactory answer.
CoreDump
QUOTE(Antikx @ Apr 11 2006, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 11 2006, 01:43 PM)
RC4 with GPE and Opie for Collie and Akita is uploading ATM
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Please forgive my ignorance but how is this ROM different than the OZ 3.5.4.1 GPE?
I went to the URL in your sig but failed to find a satisfactory answer.
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On Collie it offers support for CardFS, on Akita it ships with a few more selected apps than a default image. But pictures say more than a thousand words.
h2gofast
excellent, is there a link?
Antikx
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 11 2006, 03:33 PM)
QUOTE(Antikx @ Apr 11 2006, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 11 2006, 01:43 PM)
RC4 with GPE and Opie for Collie and Akita is uploading ATM
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Please forgive my ignorance but how is this ROM different than the OZ 3.5.4.1 GPE?
I went to the URL in your sig but failed to find a satisfactory answer.
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On Collie it offers support for CardFS, on Akita it ships with a few more selected apps than a default image. But pictures say more than a thousand words.
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Neat and interesting.
So would you say it's a sort of parallel ROM to the common OZ ROM?
CoreDump
QUOTE(Antikx @ Apr 12 2006, 06:06 AM)
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 11 2006, 03:33 PM)
QUOTE(Antikx @ Apr 11 2006, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 11 2006, 01:43 PM)
RC4 with GPE and Opie for Collie and Akita is uploading ATM
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Please forgive my ignorance but how is this ROM different than the OZ 3.5.4.1 GPE?
I went to the URL in your sig but failed to find a satisfactory answer.
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On Collie it offers support for CardFS, on Akita it ships with a few more selected apps than a default image. But pictures say more than a thousand words.
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Neat and interesting.
So would you say it's a sort of parallel ROM to the common OZ ROM?
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Yes it its.
dansawyer
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 12 2006, 12:17 AM)
QUOTE(Antikx @ Apr 12 2006, 06:06 AM)
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 11 2006, 03:33 PM)
QUOTE(Antikx @ Apr 11 2006, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 11 2006, 01:43 PM)
RC4 with GPE and Opie for Collie and Akita is uploading ATM
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Please forgive my ignorance but how is this ROM different than the OZ 3.5.4.1 GPE?
I went to the URL in your sig but failed to find a satisfactory answer.
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On Collie it offers support for CardFS, on Akita it ships with a few more selected apps than a default image. But pictures say more than a thousand words.
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Neat and interesting.
So would you say it's a sort of parallel ROM to the common OZ ROM?
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Yes it its.
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dansawyer
Where is the upload?

Thanks - Dan
CoreDump
The upload completed an hour or so ago.

http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/

Please check the following thread for usage instructions:
http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18503

Happy flashing smile.gif
dansawyer
I am confused.

I found the feed. I am currently running Hentges 3.5.3 T3. That was releases as a system 'package'. This release appears to be back to a module by module format?

That said, I did not see the zImage or initrd releases for 3.4.5.1? Where are they?

Thanks - Dan
CoreDump
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 12 2006, 11:00 AM)
I am confused.

I found the feed. I am currently running Hentges 3.5.3 T3. That was releases as a system 'package'. This release appears to be back to a module by module format?

That said, I did not see the zImage or initrd releases for 3.4.5.1? Where are they?

Thanks - Dan
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Check the subdirectories again. The header-text should make it clear what's inside.

For an old-style collie install you'd download the initrd.bin (collie/hentges-*-image*)
and one cardfs file (collie/cardfs/*)
arniel
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 12 2006, 09:09 AM)
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 12 2006, 11:00 AM)
I am confused.

I found the feed. I am currently running Hentges 3.5.3 T3. That was releases as a system 'package'. This release appears to be back to a module by module format?

That said, I did not see the zImage or initrd releases for 3.4.5.1? Where are they?

Thanks - Dan
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Check the subdirectories again. The header-text should make it clear what's inside.

For an old-style collie install you'd download the initrd.bin (collie/hentges-*-image*)
and one cardfs file (collie/cardfs/*)
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Unless I'm mistaken, I can only see German files. Are the English versions about to be uploaded?
CoreDump
QUOTE(arniel @ Apr 12 2006, 01:49 PM)
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 12 2006, 09:09 AM)
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 12 2006, 11:00 AM)
I am confused.

I found the feed. I am currently running Hentges 3.5.3 T3. That was releases as a system 'package'. This release appears to be back to a module by module format?

That said, I did not see the zImage or initrd releases for 3.4.5.1? Where are they?

Thanks - Dan
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Check the subdirectories again. The header-text should make it clear what's inside.

For an old-style collie install you'd download the initrd.bin (collie/hentges-*-image*)
and one cardfs file (collie/cardfs/*)
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Unless I'm mistaken, I can only see German files. Are the English versions about to be uploaded?
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Ahem, oops. Well, for the time beeing just select the english language at opies configuration wizzard during first-boot.
h2gofast
mucho thanks coredump, the hentges roms have made using the zaurus easier for a non-developer type like myself to get everything up and running.
dansawyer
I can not find either a initrd.bin or a cardfs file in this path:

http://oz.hentges.net/hentges-feeds/3.5.4.1/machines/collie/

Am I looking in the right place?

Thanks - Dan
arniel
Now I have an error that I'm running the wrong kernel. Kernel from http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/collie/k...60409201626.bin and initrd.bin from http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/collie/h...e_T1-RC4.tar.gz
CoreDump
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 12 2006, 03:52 PM)
I can not find either a initrd.bin or a cardfs file in this path:

http://oz.hentges.net/hentges-feeds/3.5.4.1/machines/collie/

Am I looking in the right place?

Thanks - Dan
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You might want to get your eyes checked biggrin.gif
http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/collie/cardfs/

and the initrd.bin is in one of the hentges-*-image files, just like in any previous release.
dansawyer
Thanks - It was the /tmp/do_not_use/ that did it.

I currently have an old cardfs image installed. That implies the SD directories exist and are in use. Will a re-install work with these?

How is an upgrade from a previous version performed?

Thanks again - Dan
CoreDump
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 12 2006, 04:31 PM)
Thanks - It was the /tmp/do_not_use/ that did it.

I currently have an old cardfs image installed. That implies the SD directories exist and are in use.  Will a re-install work with these?

How is an upgrade from a previous version performed?

Thanks again - Dan
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The cardfs installer will allow you to remove the old files.
reclusivemonkey
Hi CoreDump,

I'm not having much luck with the latest version either. When I flash, the lights only come on for about thirty seconds, then go out. When I reboot, I get the error message about the wrong kernel. It seems to find zImage fine, and flash that, but not initrd.bin.
dansawyer
Attempts to tar -zxvf hentges-opie-image-de-collie_T1-RC4-3.5.4.1-alpha2-collie.rootfs.ext2.gz
do nothing.

It unziped without error but ended up a 150 MB file.

Is this a tar file? Why does tar -zxvf not work?

Thanks - Dan
Storm
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 12 2006, 10:47 PM)
Attempts to tar -zxvf  hentges-opie-image-de-collie_T1-RC4-3.5.4.1-alpha2-collie.rootfs.ext2.gz
do nothing.

It unziped without error but ended up a 150 MB file.

Is this a tar file? Why does tar -zxvf not work?

Thanks - Dan
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Er, because its not a tar file. Its a gzipped ext2 image. Tarballs are usually denoted by either .tar.gz, .tgz or .tar.bz2 appended to the filename.

--Storm
CoreDump
QUOTE(reclusivemonkey @ Apr 12 2006, 09:05 PM)
Hi CoreDump,

I'm not having much luck with the latest version either. When I flash, the lights only come on for about thirty seconds, then go out. When I reboot, I get the error message about the wrong kernel. It seems to find zImage fine, and flash that, but not initrd.bin.
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Well, check the naming of initrd.bin then ph34r.gif
CoreDump
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 13 2006, 04:47 AM)
Attempts to tar -zxvf  hentges-opie-image-de-collie_T1-RC4-3.5.4.1-alpha2-collie.rootfs.ext2.gz
do nothing.

It unziped without error but ended up a 150 MB file.

Is this a tar file? Why does tar -zxvf not work?

Thanks - Dan
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Please read the header text of the directory you got that file from:
http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/collie/ext2/

It points to a FAQ which explains what an .ext2 file is and what it is good for.
veekoo
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 13 2006, 10:19 AM)
QUOTE(reclusivemonkey @ Apr 12 2006, 09:05 PM)
Hi CoreDump,

I'm not having much luck with the latest version either. When I flash, the lights only come on for about thirty seconds, then go out. When I reboot, I get the error message about the wrong kernel. It seems to find zImage fine, and flash that, but not initrd.bin.
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Well, check the naming of initrd.bin then ph34r.gif
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I have exactly same problems. I can easily flash OZ 3.5.4 distribution, but old-style hentges installation fails. Lights come on for 10 seconds, and that's it. I'm using zImage-collie-64-0-20060409201626.bin renamed as zImage and initrd.bin extracted from hentges-opie-image-de-collie_T1-RC4.tar.gz.

And yes, I have double-checked naming of initrd.bin.

Veekoo
CoreDump
It looks like the subdirectories are causing some confusing, so I'll try one last time to explain what this is all about.

A normal OZ / Hentges installation is flashed into the "ROM" of your Z. For a flash installation you need a flash image (called initrd.bin) which contains the rootfs in jffs2 format and a kernel (zImage for Collie, zImage.bin for Akita).

So, to install Hentges / OZ into the flash of your Z you'll have to download:

One kernel from $MACHINE/kernel/
One initrd.bin from $MACHINE/hentges-*-image*

The file hentges-*-image* is a compressed tarball which contains initrd.bin, you'll have to extract it first (winzip can do so just fine)

This isn't too complicated, now is it?

Also Hentges on Collie supports a so-called CardFs file. A cardfs file contains applications that can be installed onto SD or CF in addition to the apps shipped with a normal flash installation.

To use cardfs (which you really should on Collie) you'll have to download one more file in addition to the above:

One cardfs file from $MACHINE/cardfs

Make sure you download the GPE cardfs for a GPE initrd.bin and an Opie cardfs for an Opie initrd.bin (well, this should be obvious...)

To install, copy all 3 files (initrd.bin, zImage and cardfs*.bin) on your CF card and flash as usual. You'll be prompted to install the CardFF on first boot.

That's it, really!

Now to the other subdirectories / files included with this release

$MACHINE/ext2 contains - as the name suggests - ext2 loop images which can be booted directly off SD or CF using Altboot. The header text in that directory points to a FAQ explaining how to do that....

$MACHINE/tarballs contains a full rootfs (the stuff inside initrd.bin) in a compressed tarball. This is also to be used with altboot and this directory also features a header text explaining just that and where to look for more info.
CoreDump
QUOTE(veekoo @ Apr 13 2006, 09:37 AM)
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 13 2006, 10:19 AM)
QUOTE(reclusivemonkey @ Apr 12 2006, 09:05 PM)
Hi CoreDump,

I'm not having much luck with the latest version either. When I flash, the lights only come on for about thirty seconds, then go out. When I reboot, I get the error message about the wrong kernel. It seems to find zImage fine, and flash that, but not initrd.bin.
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Well, check the naming of initrd.bin then ph34r.gif
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I have exactly same problems. I can easily flash OZ 3.5.4 distribution, but old-style hentges installation fails. Lights come on for 10 seconds, and that's it. I'm using zImage-collie-64-0-20060409201626.bin renamed as zImage and initrd.bin extracted from hentges-opie-image-de-collie_T1-RC4.tar.gz.

And yes, I have double-checked naming of initrd.bin.

Veekoo
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Hmmm, the opie initrd looks a little bit too large. I'll check when I get home.
dansawyer
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 12 2006, 11:20 PM)
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 13 2006, 04:47 AM)
Attempts to tar -zxvf  hentges-opie-image-de-collie_T1-RC4-3.5.4.1-alpha2-collie.rootfs.ext2.gz
do nothing.

It unziped without error but ended up a 150 MB file.

Is this a tar file? Why does tar -zxvf not work?

Thanks - Dan
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Please read the header text of the directory you got that file from:
http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/collie/ext2/

It points to a FAQ which explains what an .ext2 file is and what it is good for.
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Yes, I had read the FAQ. I was following the directions to extract the initrd.bin. The system is Linux. tar -zxvf seems to complete but it does not extract any files.

The FAQ states that Winzip will work.

On a LInux system what is the preferred way to extract files from the .gz ?
Antikx
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 13 2006, 07:47 AM)
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 12 2006, 11:20 PM)
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 13 2006, 04:47 AM)
Attempts to tar -zxvf  hentges-opie-image-de-collie_T1-RC4-3.5.4.1-alpha2-collie.rootfs.ext2.gz
do nothing.

It unziped without error but ended up a 150 MB file.

Is this a tar file? Why does tar -zxvf not work?

Thanks - Dan
*


Please read the header text of the directory you got that file from:
http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/collie/ext2/

It points to a FAQ which explains what an .ext2 file is and what it is good for.
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Yes, I had read the FAQ. I was following the directions to extract the initrd.bin. The system is Linux. tar -zxvf seems to complete but it does not extract any files.

The FAQ states that Winzip will work.

On a LInux system what is the preferred way to extract files from the .gz ?
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try gunzip
then tar -xf

I've had problems with tar -zxf sometimes and had to do the above.
CoreDump
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 13 2006, 03:47 PM)
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 12 2006, 11:20 PM)
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 13 2006, 04:47 AM)
Attempts to tar -zxvf  hentges-opie-image-de-collie_T1-RC4-3.5.4.1-alpha2-collie.rootfs.ext2.gz
do nothing.

It unziped without error but ended up a 150 MB file.

Is this a tar file? Why does tar -zxvf not work?

Thanks - Dan
*


Please read the header text of the directory you got that file from:
http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/collie/ext2/

It points to a FAQ which explains what an .ext2 file is and what it is good for.
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Yes, I had read the FAQ. I was following the directions to extract the initrd.bin. The system is Linux. tar -zxvf seems to complete but it does not extract any files.

The FAQ states that Winzip will work.

On a LInux system what is the preferred way to extract files from the .gz ?
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As I already mentioned, the "*.ext2" file you are trying to extract is not a tarball.
It can not be extracted with tar -xzvf. And it isn't meant to be extracted in the first place.
The FAQ explains the concepts of an .ext2 nicely and it tells you how to use it.
Bompo
same error for me:

I used this files
initrd from
/collie/hentges-gpe-image-collie_T1-RC4.tar.gz
uncompressed it and copied the initrd.bin to CF
kernel from
/collie/kernel/zImage-collie-64-0-20060409201626.bin
unnamed to zImage and copied to CF
cardfs from
/collie/cardfs/cardfs-gpe-collie-openzaurus_oz3.5.4.1-alpha2-gpe2.7-T1-RC4.bin
copied to CF

and then flashed
but the lights only come on for about thirty seconds and then go out.

After that only the Kernel is flashed.
gtroot2002
I'm having the same problem (short light duration) with the henteges initrd. I can flash the stock oz kernel and opie without problem. Also, is it still possible to put the cardfs image on sd?

Thanks,
Greg
CoreDump
QUOTE(gtroot2002 @ Apr 13 2006, 06:05 PM)
I'm having the same problem (short light duration) with the henteges initrd.  I can flash the stock oz kernel and opie without problem.  Also, is it still possible to put the cardfs image on sd?

Thanks,
Greg
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I am looking at the initrd right now. It is too large to be flashable by the looks of it ph34r.gif
And yes, you can place cardfs on SD or CF.
CoreDump
Forget my last comment. The 3.5.4.1 branch can not produce working initrd..bins for Collie, investigating..

Note for the curious: I always boot from NFS when developing.
reclusivemonkey
QUOTE(CoreDump @ Apr 13 2006, 05:01 PM)
Forget my last comment. The 3.5.4.1 branch can not produce working initrd..bins for Collie, investigating..

Note for the curious: I always boot from NFS when developing.


OK Thanks for the reply. I've used your CardFS before and had no problems previously. I've had my zaurus for a few years now, and to be honest, each release of Opie has become more problematic than the previous. I've been using Slackware for about five years now, so I am now stranger to GNU/Linux and the power of that in a PDA really appealed to me. Add to that the chance to play any kind of media I wanted regardless of format made it the ultimate media device for me. The first release of Opie I tried was wonderful for this, it played video brilliantly and any MP3s I threw at it. I don't really use it much for contacts or to do lists, so most of the software on Opie/GPE is a gimmick for me. The collie is too small for web browsing/text editing, and the limited battery life of an hour and a half has become a real frustration. It takes several weeks after each release to get everything working as I like, so now rather than buy a new C Series as I was going to do, I'm just going to get an iPod.

Good luck with all your endeavours, Opie/GPE are great projects, but for me they just seem to be going further and further away from what I want.
dansawyer
"One initrd.bin from $MACHINE/hentges-*-image*

The file hentges-*-image* is a compressed tarball which contains initrd.bin, you'll have to extract it first (winzip can do so just fine)"

This is a cut from install instructions. I am unable to extract initrd.bin from the tarball. Can someone provide instructions on how to do this? Attempts to work with these .gz files result in a 157 MB ext2 file.

Thanks for you your help - Dan
DavidFong
Those expanded .gz files (both opie and gpe) are definitely very large, I also ended up with .ext2 files 153 megabytes in size. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but you will need a decent size CF or SD card to store one, or both!, of them.

The hentges-*-image* files end in the extension '.tar.gz'
With Linux, they can be extracted using

tar xvzf (filename)

I am afraid I do not know how to extract tar/gz files with Windows, but there is bound to be a program somewhere! Tar is quite an old file archiving program, I remember using it when I had an Amiga smile.gif

Anyway, the current initrd.bin files do not work with my collie (SL-5500), as CoreDump mentions previously in this thread.

Cheerio, David.

QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 13 2006, 06:57 PM)
"One initrd.bin from $MACHINE/hentges-*-image*

The file hentges-*-image* is a compressed tarball which contains initrd.bin, you'll have to extract it first (winzip can do so just fine)"

This is a cut from install instructions. I am unable to extract initrd.bin from the tarball. Can someone provide instructions on how to do this? Attempts to work with these .gz files result in a 157 MB ext2 file.

Thanks for you your help - Dan
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CoreDump
Well, I've found the problem with the collie images, they were indeed to large. Collies firmware detected this and refused to flash the initrd.bin. I'm currently rebuilding and reuploading, stay tuned.
michaelsonline
CoreDump I would just like to say thanks for working so hard on collie based rom smile.gif
CoreDump
QUOTE(michaelsonline @ Apr 14 2006, 04:35 PM)
CoreDump I would just like to say thanks for working so hard on collie based rom smile.gif
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You're welcome smile.gif

New Collie images are uploading, ETA is about 1.5hrs.
CoreDump
The new Collie images are online: http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/collie/

Happy flashing smile.gif
gtroot2002
The flash went well. SD cardfs worked like charm too. Thanks for the fix!
dansawyer
QUOTE(gtroot2002 @ Apr 14 2006, 12:46 PM)
The flash went well.  SD cardfs worked like charm too.  Thanks for the fix!
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I am still unable to extract the initrd.bin from the .gz file. What commands did you use to uncompress the file? What did the uncompressed file produce. Gunzip still produces a 157 MB file - this does not seem to be correct.

Sorry to repeat the same questions - but the problem remains.

Thanks - Dan
CoreDump
QUOTE(dansawyer @ Apr 15 2006, 03:19 AM)
QUOTE(gtroot2002 @ Apr 14 2006, 12:46 PM)
The flash went well.  SD cardfs worked like charm too.  Thanks for the fix!
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I am still unable to extract the initrd.bin from the .gz file. What commands did you use to uncompress the file? What did the uncompressed file produce. Gunzip still produces a 157 MB file - this does not seem to be correct.

Sorry to repeat the same questions - but the problem remains.

Thanks - Dan
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And I have already told you _3_ times why that is, that you have the wrong file from the wrong directory, a directoy which header text points to a FAQ explaining what that file is you have.

I have even written a lengthy response explaining _exactly_ which files are needed for flashing, including the directory where you find them.

I'm deeply sorry but I can not make myself any clearer.
dansawyer
Thanks for that comment- that was the exact pointer that was needed.

The replies never actually said I had the wrong file - the comments were more about how to use the file I had - that was the confusing point for -3- tries.

Thanks - Dan
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