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ldrolez
Hi !

Six years after the open source portal for PalmOS, I've just opened another software directory for the Zaurus : http://zaurus.palmopensource.com .

Until recently, I was quite happy with all the free software on PalmOS, but I got tired waiting for an hypothetical PalmOS/Linux PDA so I bought a SL-C1000 smile.gif

In fact that's not exactly YASD, because you'll find:
- only free/libre software (please do not submit freeware or shareware),
- and also programming and hardware links.

Any suggestions are welcome and feel free to contribute by clicking on 'add a link' !

Cheers,

Ludovic.
Hrw
super... is it 3rd, 4th or 8th site which has to list Zaurus^WLinuxPDA software?

If I'm author of software then how much time I have to waste to update information in such services? For example if I will release OPIE Notes 0.5 tomorrow then I will to build it for OZ which many of such services does not even know? This app does not have own page.

How you will list several versions of XMame? We had xmame for OZ 3.5.2, 3.5.3, 3.5.4, another one for 3.5.4, several versions for pdaX or SharpROM variants..

Will you list Gnumeric/Abiword/Firefox there? They run on Zaurus... If not then why you have XMame on list?

Why KDEPIM/PI is split into Ko/pi, Ka/pi, pwm/pi? Because they are several apps from package? Then why forgot kammu from same source?

I find idea of such sites limited - who will update it?
enodr
I agree with Hrw. Why not helping with OESF wiki? As a Zaurus user I would be more interested in having detailed informations about those applications on a site like OESF, than having another software repository on which I can't find if the listed app runs on distro X or distro Y...

I found an interesting page on OESF about the most essential Zaurus apps. Too bad noone can contribute by adding a detailed page about each software.

Also when I first bought my Zaurus I didn't know the differences between the distros and I was reluctant to install OpenZaurus because of this page:
http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Distributions
From the table it seems OZ is laking all the softwares (note: I have updated this page recently and added a lot of stuff in OZ columns). But still this gives a false impression.

So putting GOOD knowledge about applications and which distribution they run on would be more usefull than a directory which I really don't need (and I consider myself as an average Zaurus user).
ldrolez
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super... is it 3rd, 4th or 8th site which has to list Zaurus^WLinuxPDA software?

No it's the only one focused on free sofware tongue.gif

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If I'm author of software then how much time I have to waste to update information in such services?

You don't have to smile.gif . Of course I like when authors update their entries, but I have a robot which tells me when a web page has been updated.

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Will you list Gnumeric/Abiword/Firefox there? They run on Zaurus... If not then why you have XMame on list?

I'll list any software which is well packaged for the Zaurus or that needed patches to be compiled properly.

Cheers,
Ludo.
ldrolez
QUOTE(enodr)
software repository on which I can't find if the listed app runs on distro X or distro Y...


You'll find that information if you click on [details] smile.gif

I've just listed QTe/OPIE, GPE/X11, SL-5x00, SL-C7x0/8x0, SL-C3x00/1000 but I can add any checkbox or text entry you may find useful wink.gif

Cheers,

Ludovic.
Hrw
first differences are distro field:
- OZ 3.2 or 3.3-pre or 3.5.1/3.5.2/3.5.3/3.5.4/3.5.4.1 (3.5.x was mostly compatible)
- pdaX (several versions)
- Cacko/Sharp

then machines, then kernel 2.4 <> 2.6 (misc overclocking/usb stuff)

it became complicated matrix...

and what about projects without webpages?

what about stuff used NOT ONLY on Z which does not need any patches to get working? (gnumeric, abiword)
koen
QUOTE(Hrw @ May 18 2006, 09:22 PM)
first differences are distro field:
- OZ 3.2 or 3.3-pre or 3.5.1/3.5.2/3.5.3/3.5.4/3.5.4.1 (3.5.x was mostly compatible)
- pdaX (several versions)
- Cacko/Sharp

then machines, then kernel 2.4 <> 2.6 (misc overclocking/usb stuff)

it became complicated matrix...

and what about projects without webpages?

what about stuff used NOT ONLY on Z which does not need any patches to get working? (gnumeric, abiword)
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what about softfpa, hardfpa, softvfp, hardvfp, eabi, crunch, iwmmxt and more ARM niggles that make software incompatible with other distros/environments?
lpotter
i say, the more the merrier. smile.gif
Choice is good.
ldrolez
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and what about projects without webpages?

If needed, I'm used to put the sources in (zaurus|www).palmopensource.com/software .

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what about softfpa, hardfpa, softvfp, hardvfp, eabi, crunch, iwmmxt and more ARM niggles that make software incompatible with other distros/environments?

Did you ever see freshmeat.net ? ;-)
What's important is to know if it's a console app, X11, or Qt one, IMHO there's no need for tons of checkboxes. Details are on the project home page.
Did you really see an entry on freshmeat which said: "works on debian 2.0 2.1 3.0 3.1, suse 7.0.7.1 7.2 7.3 8.0 8.1, on i486, i586 but not on TM5800, etc," ? really ;-) ?

Cheers,
Ludo.
tapjpa
Just what we don't need. There are to many software repositories now all with differing versions of software.

To me in this case more is not better just adds confusion.
speculatrix
sorry, but I'm in full agreement with those who think that there's already too many software indexes, I can think of 7 without trying hard:
- distro home sites - cacko, pdaXrom, OZ
- OESF/wiki
- killefiz
- ZSI
- zaurus.spy
and I think there's a couple of others but it's too early for my brain to stretch that far!

It would be better if the effort were put into the Wiki rather, to be honest.

Now, having said that, I applaud anyone willing to put time and effort into the community, so well done and thank you!
Meanie
well, choice definitely is a good thing, and creating and maintaining such a repository takes a lot of work and dedication for which I am and I believe others as well will be grateful. however, the problem that the other repositories face and make them less usable is the fragmentation of the Zaurus. The total number of Zauri user is quite small to start with compared to devices like the Palm, and the fact that the Zauri isn't marketed and sold anymore outside of Japan by Sharp and that the original systems are all in Japanese does not help matters either.
now the biggest problem is the compatability of the software. a lot of the software only run on specific Zaurus distros and some will only run on specific models due to reliance on certain drivers.
most applications also have dependencies on other libraries and those libraries are very different from distro to distro and even between different versions of the distros.
maybe what we need would be a nice searchable and browsable repository like what you have done but you need to be more precise about what version of the app can run on what specific version of the distro. you can put that into the expandable details section, but this kind of information is essential. For example, a qt/e based application that works on Cacko does not necesarrily work on Opie and and vice versa due to the usage of different ipk formats and library dependencies. some older applications were able to be run on for example both distros in the past because the libraries were almost the same version, but these days, things have changed a lot and most applications will not run on either distro unless it was explicitly compiled for it.
at the moment, each distro have their own feeds and the feeds contain short little descriptions of the packages but often those short description don't tell you much. a software repository with categories and screenshots would be much better and that's why the idea of another repository is good, but it will be difficult to maintain and setup in order to be useful. The pdaXrom site has a nice repository with screenshots, descriptions and list of dependencies... BUT its way out of date, ie all that is for pdaXrom 1.0.5. while the current releases of pdaXrom is 1.1.0 and there is nothing like that for the new version.
most of the existing repositories are either way out of date and in dire need of updating, or only contain a very small repository of applications.
i am not trying to discourage you, but in the contrary, i would welcome a better repository. i just want you to know the pitfalls that i think made the other repository less attractive and hope you can learn from their mistake and hopefully come up with something better smile.gif
gepeto
Choice is good - but not when it comes to repositories, unless there is something really wrong with what is currently used.

BTW, are you colorblind?
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