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wsuetholz
I thought about putting this in the Hardware topic, but thought it didn't really fit..

Anyways, while I was searching for CF cards, I came across this PDA Phone that has most of the things that have been talked about for the PPZ, It doesn't, however have much internal storage, and no CF slots.

I-Mate T-Jasar

Bill
koen
QUOTE(wsuetholz @ Jul 31 2006, 06:09 PM)
I thought about putting this in the Hardware topic, but thought it didn't really fit..

Anyways, while I was searching for CF cards, I came across this PDA Phone that has most of the things that have been talked about for the PPZ,  It doesn't, however have much internal storage, and no CF slots.

I-Mate T-Jasar

Bill
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That's the 'htc universal' they keep talking about
amrein
The design can be improved. Mainly the keys on the sides : No easy big keys like "shoot", "play/pause", "back", "forward" and "record".
And of course... a native Linux OS is missing.

This HTC is for me the best ARM PDA/phone hardware at present. Nothing compare to it. First class since the end of 2005 (when they release it).
Ferret-Simpson
Yeah. Hence why I'm buying one.

Alot of the inspiration for the PPZ's internal phone systems and configuration is coming from the XDAE/Jasjar/Q9000/MDA-Pro/Universal (Yep, still the same phone.) It's the main competition with the PPZ because of the rapidly maturing OpenEmbedded port. Add to that the pricetag and you see why we want to prove to the big Corps that we can do alot better.

Things the PPZ has and the Universal doesn't?

Accelerometer, Phone-Screen, 802.11G, 3D Acceleration, Video-Out, ATA66, DDR, 512MB (It has 64) memory, a thumbprint scanner (That came from the iPaq), Scrollwheel (Clie/Palm), Trackball (Sparkfun), Twin SD sockets, the Under-Consideration Torch, a GPG-Signed secure bootloader to prevent reflashing (Thanks DB!), Shoulder-Buttons, 5.1-Surround Sound, SPDIF, and the GSM trace to locate the device in case of theft.

It's not a design that'll make anyone money to sell, because we're not manufacturing large enough volumes of them, and we're selling only parts to avoid the need to have it tested by the various goverment sales tests.

But it will show the manufacturing corporations such as HTC, HP, Sharp and Dell. . . That they don't have hidden trade-secrets that prevent us from doing it ourselves, and if they want to keep their customers from DIY, they should buck up their ideas about the limited feature-set concept.
Da_Blitz
mmm, i was looking at that, i was ethier going to buy one of them or put the funds into designing my own PDA, i wonder how that turned out

its probbelly a better idea to link to the xda developers website (wiki) as they have the tech info there - http://wiki.xda-developers.com/.

i have used the k-jam for awhile and it was quite nice, it is even more tempting now that there is an 802.11g patch out for it. the mini is nice as well but i could not live without a keyboard

actually i stole the GSM thing from the XDA people, never was my idea

i bet you could hack a CF card into it if need be, one of the things i discovered with the x30 is that you can remove the wireless out of it to get acsess to a socket that has CF and a serial port on it. if you bought the lower end model then you didnt lose anything, however if you added one wire you could have had wifi and CF at the same time

oh well, the universal or the k-jjam are my backup right until i start spending money on this project
wsuetholz
Here's another device.. Not really a PDA, but interesting placement of I/O stuff, and the camera swivels...

I-Note

Bill
chiark
Sigmarion 3 - still the best compromise in form factor I've found. 800x480 screen, really good usable keyboard, cf, sd, ...

Bigger than the 3200, but the screen estate and usable keyboard makes it my daily device.
wsuetholz
Here is another device... Very M$ centric, but that's no surprise given who the principle of the company is...

FlipStart PC
Ferret-Simpson
Old, and crusoe-based.

I mean I hate x86 full stop. . . But Crusoe?!

DEATH TO THAT CHIP SERIES!

It is to be inhumed with extreme prejudice.
Da_Blitz
x86 has its good points, the reason i dont like it is because i feel it could be better without the legacy stuff, but that costs sad.gif
kahm
QUOTE(wsuetholz @ Jan 8 2007, 02:57 PM)
Here is another device...  Very M$ centric, but that's no surprise given who the principle of the company is...

FlipStart PC
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Good god... They've updated their web site.

I would buy a Vulcan Flipstart in a second if it existed. Problem is - it's been vapourware for 2(?) years or so...

But now they've updated their web page! They just might possibly still exist!

Crusoe or not, it's a clamshell, only slightly bigger than the Z, and x-86 compatible. If there is ever anything that was spec'd as the "new" Zaurus - it's the flipstart.

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4"x5.8"x1" - 1" wider, .75" deeper, same thickness as a Z. 256mb ram, 30gb HD, 1024x600 screen.
I'm starting to save up now, on the off chance they bring something to market.
speculatrix
at the moment, I think the only way the pocket penguin will fly (in as much as penguins fly) is to produce a custom case around the new Nokia N800, turning it into a clamshell, using an internal usb hub to add the peripherals such as keyboard, trackpad/joystick, gps, and a gsm/gprs/edge/3g module.

the N800, it seems to me, would be a great motherboard + display unit for this. if there were a clamshell version or clippable keyboard like the HTC Athena, it'd be a dream machine. If Nokia did two slip covers, a thin/normal one, the other thicker with a keyboard, I'd be queueing up to buy it!
Da_Blitz
not such a bad idea. ethire way i need to get some work done wink.gif
speculatrix
QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Jan 25 2007, 11:30 AM)
not such a bad idea. ethire way i need to get some work done wink.gif
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indeed... time to turn vapourware into hardware!
Da_Blitz
i like this case design

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/25/diction...90-canons-v300/

(one at the top)

yeah its time for action, there is just 2 things holding me back, one is the "windows" problem and another is the PCB software. the free version of egale just dosent cut it. still thinking about how to solve this

and before you ask, yes putting windows on this machine is a pain, it is not easy at all and not because i have linux on there already (althogh compatibility can be an issue. might see if my programs work under wine smile.gif (now why didnt i think of that eairier)
speculatrix
QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Jan 26 2007, 10:18 AM)
and before you ask, yes putting windows on this machine is a pain, it is not easy at all and not because i have linux on there already (althogh compatibility can be an issue. might see if my
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install vmware player, and I can cook up the files for you to install windows 2000 or xp into the virtual disk.
Da_Blitz
actually i was trying to get xen with the hvm up and running, perhaps i should just compile a custom kernel with kvm built in

windows boots at the moment under xen but i am having what appears to be hardware problems (takes 5 mins to get past post and then 3 to get past grub, belive its a hard drive problem). but i must admit i havent stress tested it or booted it more than a handful of times

i am also trying to do somthing that seems very very wierd, this is for 2 reasons:
1: i want to play games, 2 in paticular that are comming out this year. i havent been into gaiming in a long time but these look to refresh my intrest in it (dont worry its never been somthing i spend all my time on)
2: it needs to be able to use both monitors (makes this project easier, even better if i can have linux on one monitor and windows on the other then switch to linux/linux or win/win smile.gif)

my current setup has 2 video cards in it that are both dual head, one on the mother board and another as a pci-e card, linux will get the onboard mobo one and windows the other.

a kvm switch for each monitor will allow me too switch between linux and windows and my other server (more an that later). keyboard and mouse sharing will be done in softmwrae (cant remeber the name of the package but there is one that works with windows and unix)

the computer will have no drives in it at all smile.gif

sounds wierd but i am building a mini-itx computer with about 6 - 8 drives in it (running linux wink.gif) my main PC will netboot and get its images from this server and use iscsi for the drives, it boots a minimal xen build that then grabs the images of iscusi and boots them. this means windows can boot off a network drive with no local drive smile.gif

i cant wait to set it up, this is actually a test setup for someone else and a proff that this type of setup actually works. all the hard work is done i am just waiting on the motherboard for the server. once that comes then i should have much much easier acsess to windows.

all this will be using lvm for partioning (so i can create a partion without taking the array offline) and all devices are serverd using ethier iscsi or ata over ethernet, if i want somthing like smb or nfs then i create a dowain to server files and give it an exported partion instead of doing it direct from dom-0 (security risk)

now all i need is a filesystem that has ecc built in and use a FUSE module for versioning on the file server domains and i will have one server that will be very good at preventing me from losing files (i have had alot of data go missing in the past year, 600GBs this year)

so security first then this project. lukily this will sort out alot of the problems i have been having (alot of distros really dont like to boot off of an all sata machine) (no more bios harddrive problems smile.gif, also means i can put the pc in a much smaller case)

thoght you might like to know. i expect it to take a bit of time but i will try and get some work done in the mean time, i have been doing some high level connection diagrams and it all seems to be going smoothly, at this point however an asic or cpld would be nice and i see why htc uses them, the audio routing scheme and the serial ports are what i keep running out of (things like the 3 axisi accelerometer get connected to the audio port and require 1 mono channel x3 per chip) so i am working around taht at the moment

good news is that even if we change chips at this point most of the work still applies (remeberer "high level") so if freescale brings out a new chipset it shouldnt be too hard to move to the next one ( i hope they bring out a faster version)
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