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Vyacheslav Dikonov
I am currently a C1000/Cacko user and I want to select the best ROM for GPS navigation with raster maps.

The reason why I want to switch is Qtopia. I just hate its lack of features and incompatibility with my desktop apps. To my dismay it is required by qpegps, which seems to be the only sane raster navigation app for Zaurus. http://qpegps.sourceforge.net/

What is really good in Cacko
1 it supports my 4Gb SD
2 it supports my Socket bluetooth card, bluetooth GPS and phone (with GUI)
3 it gives excellent control over power-saving features:
- downclocking is done with two clicks
- automatic suspend and screen-off is easily configurable
- autosuspend is automatically disabled if GPS app is on
- the screen is turned off when folded
- brightness control works well
This gives me about 12-13 hours of continuous track logging and instant map access on a single EA-BL11 battery.

Can current pdaXrom provide these 1-2-3 points?
Can any other X-based ROM be better in terms of longer battery life?
Is it possible to run qpegps in pdaXrom without perceivable performance loss?
This app loads large raster images and needs a lot of memory and a fullscreen mode to run properly.
Vyacheslav Dikonov
Some of you might ask why I still want to keep a qtopia-bound app. The answer is - it is a life saver when you are far from home.

I do know that there is an analog of qpegps for X called gpsdrive. Unfortunately it is severely handicapped by design. It refuses to load images larger than 1280x1024 and it does not support any standard map projections. All it offers is an exotic one-point method to find coordinates. As a result it is next to impossible to get it to navigate a proper topographic map needed for hiking and biking. GPSdrive can only use internet maps which show nothing but useless empty grey spaces outside of major cities.
Bundabrg
I've been toying with gpsdrive, and admittedly I'm extremely new to GPS and equiv software ;-). However I have to admit that gpsdrive is limited in some ways, but the fact I can use googlemaps to download sat images, gov_au to download much closer detail images means I have good images even outside of town (ok, sat images are not great to navigate by but it looks cool).

I suspect though that anything called 'qpe'-blah requires qtopia or opie which may be difficult if not impossible to run under X.
louigi600
Has anyone ever tryied position as a navigation software ?
I've hardly any experience on GPS ... is the NMEA protocol the one that gpsd can also understand ?
koen
QUOTE(Vyacheslav Dikonov @ Aug 18 2006, 02:20 PM)
Some of you might ask why I still want to keep a qtopia-bound app. The answer is - it is a life saver when you are far from home.

I do know that there is an analog of qpegps for X called gpsdrive. Unfortunately it is severely handicapped by design.  It refuses to load images larger than 1280x1024 and it does not support  any standard map projections. All it offers is an exotic one-point method to find coordinates. As a result it is next to impossible to get it to navigate a proper topographic map needed for hiking and biking.  GPSdrive can only use internet maps which show nothing but useless empty grey spaces outside of major cities.
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try maemo-mapper(-nohildon), it's great. It even supports navigation using gpx files and flite. You can find packages for Ångström at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/...mapper-nohildon
BarryW
Hey Koen, does Angstrom support the 3000 series Z's yet?
koen
QUOTE(BarryW @ Dec 28 2006, 12:36 AM)
Hey Koen, does Angstrom support the 3000 series Z's yet?
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Sure, they are even better supported than c7x0 models since they don't boot from flash and hence http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1684 doesn't happen smile.gif

All needed files should be in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...20061219/spitz/
louigi600
Tomtom hardware is arm based and runs linux ...
see http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl
I wonder if anyone will ever hack that for the zaurus ?
koen
QUOTE(louigi600 @ Dec 28 2006, 01:37 PM)
Tomtom hardware is arm based and runs linux ...
see http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl
I wonder if anyone will ever hack that for the zaurus ?
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The navigator itself isn't opensource, so trying to get that to work is a dead end.
harvell
QUOTE(louigi600 @ Dec 28 2006, 05:37 AM)
Tomtom hardware is arm based and runs linux ...
see http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl
I wonder if anyone will ever hack that for the zaurus ?
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These guys are coming up with something close.

http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...6826&hl=opentom
BarryW
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 27 2006, 11:39 PM)
QUOTE(BarryW @ Dec 28 2006, 12:36 AM)
Hey Koen, does Angstrom support the 3000 series Z's yet?
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Sure, they are even better supported than c7x0 models since they don't boot from flash and hence http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1684 doesn't happen smile.gif

All needed files should be in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...20061219/spitz/
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Sweet, like I didn't have enough projects for this weekend! I just got a 23" rack from work that they replaced with a standard 19" one. I don't have any rack mount equipment at the moment so it's not a big deal. Got a bunch of shelves for it too. I can finally get rid of the crappy plastic shelving unit that I've been using to hold all the network gear.
louigi600
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 28 2006, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(louigi600 @ Dec 28 2006, 01:37 PM)
Tomtom hardware is arm based and runs linux ...
see http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl
I wonder if anyone will ever hack that for the zaurus ?
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The navigator itself isn't opensource, so trying to get that to work is a dead end.
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Why on earth are you so hostile to tomtom on Zaurus.
I see that you have contributed to another thread where they already had some success on running tomtom on Zaurus.
Actually your last contribution on the thread was "Oct 17 2006, 07:14 PM" where there were hackers working already to ALSO get sound working.
As far as I understand tomtom now works on the OZ but not pdaXrom dew to soft float problems that your reported .
See the thread Harvell suggests above for an intresting run on what's going on.
koen
QUOTE(louigi600 @ Dec 29 2006, 10:47 AM)
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 28 2006, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(louigi600 @ Dec 28 2006, 01:37 PM)
Tomtom hardware is arm based and runs linux ...
see http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl
I wonder if anyone will ever hack that for the zaurus ?
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The navigator itself isn't opensource, so trying to get that to work is a dead end.
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Why on earth are you so hostile to tomtom on Zaurus.

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Maybe I wasn't clear enough: The navigator itself isn't opensource, so trying to get that to work is a dead end.
louigi600
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 29 2006, 01:41 PM)
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: The navigator itself isn't opensource, so trying to get that to work is a dead end.
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But correct me if I'm wrong:
If you buy even a broken tomtom with a valid activation key there are people that have got it working on OZ.
BarryW
QUOTE(louigi600 @ Dec 29 2006, 02:52 AM)
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 29 2006, 01:41 PM)
Maybe I wasn't clear enough: The navigator itself isn't opensource, so trying to get that to work is a dead end.
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But correct me if I'm wrong:
If you buy even a broken tomtom with a valid activation key there are people that have got it working on OZ.
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So you'll still have to buy a broken tom-tom. If you have to buy one to get the software to work, what's the point? Other than the cool factor, if I have to buy one to get the software to work, I'll use the tom for navigation.
louigi600
QUOTE(BarryW @ Dec 29 2006, 05:50 PM)
So you'll still have to buy a broken tom-tom.  If you have to buy one to get the software to work, what's the point?  Other than the cool factor, if I have to buy one to get the software to work, I'll use the tom for navigation.
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Yes ... but a lot depends on one's point of view:
I have a laptop, a pda, and a gps .... but when I travel I'm willing to pay a little more in order to be able to condense all I need inside my pda.
Yes ... I'll buy a broken G300 when I'll feel the project has reached a stable solution, obviously I'd opt for an opensource alternative if there was a satisfactory navigation software. The other problem with the open source navigation softwares is the maps; where do you get good free maps that can also work outside major towns ?
koen
QUOTE(louigi600 @ Dec 29 2006, 08:00 PM)
where do you get good free maps that can also work outside major towns ?
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Google maps has complete coverage of my country, as does yahoo.
louigi600
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 29 2006, 10:03 PM)
Google maps has complete coverage of my country, as does yahoo.
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Yes ... a bit like maptoit ... but what about route calculation ... getting sufficient rout calculation stuff to be usefull in areas that you're not familiar with may be difficult.
Tomtom can do real time route recalculation if you take a wrong tur ... how can I manage that with free maps/software ?
koen
QUOTE(louigi600 @ Dec 29 2006, 08:22 PM)
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 29 2006, 10:03 PM)
Google maps has complete coverage of my country, as does yahoo.
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Yes ... a bit like maptoit ... but what about route calculation ... getting sufficient rout calculation stuff to be usefull in areas that you're not familiar with may be difficult.
Tomtom can do real time route recalculation if you take a wrong tur ... how can I manage that with free maps/software ?
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maemo-mapper can do recalculation as well
louigi600
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 29 2006, 10:32 PM)
maemo-mapper can do recalculation as well
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But where do I get free route calculation stuff that covers the free maps that I want to use so that the route recalculation can work ?
koen
QUOTE(louigi600 @ Dec 29 2006, 08:40 PM)
QUOTE(koen @ Dec 29 2006, 10:32 PM)
maemo-mapper can do recalculation as well
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But where do I get free route calculation stuff that covers the free maps that I want to use so that the route recalculation can work ?
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http://gnuite.com:8080/cgi-bin/gpx.cgi is what maemo-mapper uses
louigi600
Koen ... the link you suggested for download has rom images to be installed.
I'd still like to use it with pdaXrom.
Is this possible (I see they use a different kernel) ?
What dependencies would I need to satisfy ?
Can I get a working binary or package for pdaxrom r121 from anywhere ?
If no bin or package is avalible what would be the chances of cross compiling it successfully with the pdaXrom SDK for a non experienced programmer like me ?
koen
QUOTE(louigi600 @ Jan 4 2007, 09:04 AM)
Koen ... the link you suggested for download has rom images to be installed.

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I see no rom images.

ROM = read only memory
Flash is writable and therefore not rom.
louigi600
Ooops ... I got confused with url's concerning some other navigation stuff and made missusage of the "ROM" acronym referring to the os images to be flashed to the onboarf Flash of the zaurii.
Besides the dependencies (on the correct url ... not whatever I was browsing this morning) are all listed there.
Sorry
ratki
I've inserted this part to the gpsdrive.

See: Gpsdrive For PdaXrom
The routes from gnuite.com aren't the cab drivers' way. The annoncements are some times confusing. But it is a good toy, and it is free. (?)

Anyway I'll glad if you try it,

Tamas

QUOTE(koen @ Dec 29 2006, 11:54 PM)
http://gnuite.com:8080/cgi-bin/gpx.cgi is what maemo-mapper uses
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