QUOTE(birdman @ Sep 10 2006, 01:35 PM)
so you can see them but they can't see you!? that would be strange.
Well they can see your fingers

Or if you turn it round they can see you but you can't see them!
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does the camera have a light, a flash, a burst mode
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and a video recorder?
Yes. But if you're looking for a camera/video phone then the N93 is best one available. However it seems that the firmware needs a bit of polishing.
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how much was it and what do you think of it

About USD400 without contract and with an extra 512 mini SD + extra battery + standalone charger thrown in. It does what I require of it: being able to connect to the internet anywhere via gprs/wifi (I have an "all you can eat" gprs plan - 3G is still too expensive), the email app can be on all the time to check my email in the background. The foldout keyboard is invaluable when typing longer texts, and also for ssh'ing into my servers and home machines. The builtin browser is pretty good (better than PIE on wince machines) but is very ram hungry. And most importantly allows my Z to connect to the internet (via infra-red/bluetooth) so it can do the heavy duty work. The downsides are, being a previous Epoc user, the Symbian PIM apps have been dumbed down and some of the features that had been present way back in 1991 are missing

Also the E70 (being an E series machine - ie geared for business use) comes with a real office suite - one that allows you to edit MS Word and MS Excel compatible documents. It's also got some potentially useful features like printing to a BT printer.