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ernestus
Anyone has any news about it?
have a look at:
http://opie.home.linuxtogo.org/

Thanks.
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ernestus
Hmm, I expand this.
It turns out trolltech has liberated Qtopia 4.2
http://www.trolltech.com/developer/downloa...opia-source-gpl
and somebody has just started Opie2...
Does anyone have mor information?

Thanks all.
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chrisl
The screenshots on the site are cool. I kinda have always liked the look and feel of qtopia, but this really looks good! I certainly this gets into a ROM image.

Chris--
lpotter
QUOTE(chrisl @ Jan 22 2007, 01:16 PM)
The screenshots on the site are cool. I kinda have always liked the look and feel of qtopia, but this really looks good! I certainly this gets into a ROM image.

Chris--
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This would require participation of developers and someone to add OpieII to openembedded.
ofels
QUOTE(lpotter @ Jan 22 2007, 06:12 AM)
QUOTE(chrisl @ Jan 22 2007, 01:16 PM)
The screenshots on the site are cool. I kinda have always liked the look and feel of qtopia, but this really looks good! I certainly this gets into a ROM image.

Chris--
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This would require participation of developers and someone to add OpieII to openembedded.
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Which in turn would require why people (developers and users) would have to completely drop their OpieI experience and start from scratch.

Oliver
ernestus
Okay, after downloading compiling and installing the thing, my feelings are quite contradictory. In one side it's very slick and I think faster than Opie, but in the other side, and this is disappointing, transforms my SLC3200 in a kind of smartphone that cannot make phone calls!

I had a look at their configurator and looks like the only available profile is for mobile phones... I think I will await till there is a PDA profile.

Cheers.
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speculatrix
QUOTE(ernestus @ Jan 25 2007, 11:51 AM)
Okay, after downloading compiling and installing the thing, my feelings are quite contradictory. In one side it's very slick and I think faster than Opie, but in the other side, and this is disappointing, transforms my SLC3200  in a kind of smartphone that cannot make phone calls!

I had a look at their configurator and looks like the only available profile is for mobile phones... I think I will await till there is a PDA profile.
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can you clarify what you mean by install? Did you flash to a basic OZ image and then install the qtopia4 stuff, or did you roll an entire ROM and flash to that?

thanks
ernestus
No reflashing, I just cross compiled it in my PC, copied the result across to my slc3200 hard drive (I targeted /opt/qtopia4). Finally I hacked/tweaked the environment to make it runnable in a quick a dirty way (full of warnings and so, I am not sure why some libraries don't load, but others is because whatever hardware is not present, I think, or maybe my cross compiling environment is different of the one used in OZ... don't know).

Not very elegant, believe me, but to be honest I prefer the old GUI, this one is definetelly aimed to phones, not PDAS.

The real thing is having a modern Qt version, so many apps can be ported to Qtopia (I am thinking in embedded konqueror --I know somebody has ported a recent version to Qt2-- and some others).

I hope there is a proper PDA profile soon.

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ofels
QUOTE(ernestus @ Jan 25 2007, 05:42 PM)
I hope there is a proper PDA profile soon.

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Alternatively one coul dthink about helping the Opie I guys porting it to Qt4 which would have the same effect with a proper "PDA profile". wink.gif

Oliver
ernestus
QUOTE(ofels @ Jan 25 2007, 05:21 PM)
QUOTE(ernestus @ Jan 25 2007, 05:42 PM)

I hope there is a proper PDA profile soon.

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Alternatively one coul dthink about helping the Opie I guys porting it to Qt4 which would have the same effect with a proper "PDA profile". wink.gif

Oliver
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Don't know really. I am talking about the Opie II SVN tree, this is what they have. I couldn't find anywhere they were going to port the old environment forward, I would like to know their plans... any opie developer here?

But it's my humble opinion that is better to synergy with Trolltech (as KDE does) instead of fork from it far away. And even you have to think there is not as many Opie developers as KDE has. Qtopia phones can benefit from Opie apps and Opie PDAs could benefit phones apps as well, all people happy and dancing.

Maybe Trolltech has a PDA profile/interface in their pipeline, do they, Lorne?

Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.

Thanks all.
ofels
QUOTE(ernestus @ Jan 25 2007, 06:48 PM)
QUOTE(ofels @ Jan 25 2007, 05:21 PM)
QUOTE(ernestus @ Jan 25 2007, 05:42 PM)

I hope there is a proper PDA profile soon.

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Alternatively one coul dthink about helping the Opie I guys porting it to Qt4 which would have the same effect with a proper "PDA profile". wink.gif

Oliver
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Don't know really. I am talking about the Opie II SVN tree, this is what they have. I couldn't find anywhere they were going to port the old environment forward, I would like to know their plans... any opie developer here?



I have been contributing to and being part of the Opie project since its beginning, though I have quit a while ago.
The OpieII tree has nothing to do with Opie I except its name and its origin.

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But it's my humble opinion that is better to synergy with Trolltech (as KDE does) instead of fork from it far away. And even you have to think there is not as many Opie developers as KDE has. Qtopia phones can benefit from Opie apps and Opie PDAs could benefit phones apps as well, all people happy and dancing.


The reason why Opie(I) had been forked once was because it was not possible to get community control over Qtopia. TrollTech owns it and any improvements one would like to see to be done must make ther way through the the TT processes. There is nothing wrong with that except that part of this process is that TT is the the only one who decides what is an improvement worth including or not and that due to the dual licensing scheme the developer of the code in question gives up all his rights on his intellectual property and transfers them to TT.
There had been several dicussions and meeting with the TT management and developers but none of those solved this issue.
An issue which remains even with Opie II.
For a developer this is disappointing because the chances that his work is rejected by TT is high.
TT is a company with profit in mind so the rules are sometimes contradictory to the
pure open source approach.

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Maybe Trolltech has a PDA profile/interface in their pipeline, do they, Lorne?


Personally I doubt this. To have a PDA profile in the pipeline TT needs a potential customer for a Linux PDA. I have not seen arising such one lately, instead the phone/smart phone market is increased a lot.
What are requestin is something to keep your Z alive but this is propably not on the official TT whish list.

Oliver
ernestus
Thanks Oliver, your comments were very clarifying.
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lpotter
QUOTE(ernestus @ Jan 26 2007, 02:48 AM)
Don't know really. I am talking about the Opie II SVN tree, this is what they have. I couldn't find anywhere they were going to port the old environment forward, I would like to know their plans... any opie developer here?

But it's my humble opinion that is better to synergy with Trolltech (as KDE does) instead of fork from it far away. And even you have to think there is not as many Opie developers as KDE has. Qtopia phones can benefit from Opie apps and Opie PDAs could benefit phones apps as well, all people happy and dancing.

Maybe Trolltech has a PDA profile/interface in their pipeline, do they, Lorne?

Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.

Thanks all.


Porting of Opie 1 to Qt 4 is probably not going to happen. There are a great many changes involved and would require many man hours which we do not have. It would be easier to rewrite it. Which is why OpieII exists.

OpieII can be used on a PDA, there really isn't a 'phone' profile, or 'pda' profile.
lpotter
QUOTE(ofels @ Jan 28 2007, 06:03 PM)
I have been contributing to and being part of the Opie project since its beginning, though I have quit a while ago.
The OpieII tree has nothing to do with Opie I except its name and its origin.

and a few developers.

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The reason why Opie(I) had been forked once was because it was not possible to get community control over Qtopia. TrollTech owns it and any improvements one would like to see to be done must make ther way through the the TT processes. There is nothing wrong with that except that part of this process is that TT is the the only one who decides what is an improvement worth including or not and that due to the dual licensing scheme the developer of the code in question gives up all his rights on his intellectual property and transfers them to TT.
There had been several dicussions and meeting with the TT management and developers but none of those solved this issue.
An issue which remains even with Opie II.
For a developer this is disappointing because the chances that his work is rejected by TT is high.
TT is a company with profit in mind so the rules are sometimes contradictory to the
pure open source approach.

Qtopia is "pure" open source, just no community development, which is why OpieII was started. Same reason as why Opie 1 was started.

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Personally I doubt this. To have a PDA profile in the pipeline TT needs a potential customer for a Linux PDA. I have not seen arising such one lately, instead the phone/smart phone market is increased a lot.
What are requestin is something to keep your Z alive but this is propably not on the official TT whish list.


OpieII/Qtopia 4 can be used on any device. There is no difference between the phone profile, and a pda profile.

I have been working on Qtopia 4/OpieII for Zaurus, but my time is stretched thin, especially having a young son who does not allow me to have much time to myself. Development of this should increase in the coming months, as I am changing to Software Engineer in the hardware group, instead of doing community management/marketing work.
ofels
QUOTE(lpotter @ Jan 31 2007, 05:34 AM)
Qtopia is "pure" open source, just no community development, which is why OpieII was started. Same reason as why Opie 1 was started.


Which still does not explain why OpieI should be ditched.
OpieII is still an in incompatible (compared to OpieI) fork of a more advanced Qtopia which suffers from the same problems as OpieI did- no suitable back channel into the parent platform.
So where is the point in that fork if Qtopia delivers almost the same thing ? Or are you expecting to drift away from Qtopia the same way as OpieI did ?

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OpieII/Qtopia 4 can be used on any device. There is no difference between the phone profile, and a pda profile.


This is not true. Qtopia runs on any device TT would like it to run on respectively on any device TT delivers implementation for.
I doubt that eg. Qtopia4 will still run on the 31xx/36xx iPAQs or the Simpad.
Other devices must be supported by OpieII then by abstracting the qpe library or whatever serves like that in Qtopia4.

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changing to Software Engineer in the hardware group, instead of doing community management/marketing work.


Does that mean that the community manager position at TT is history ?
Interesting...

Oliver
ernestus
QUOTE(lpotter @ Jan 31 2007, 04:34 AM)
... especially having a young son ...
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Congratulations! smile.gif

Okay, I will await for news in the Opie II website (I don't feel very comfortable with the new "phonish" gui). There is also a full bunch of Opie (I) apps that would be nice to be ported to the new environment.

I don't have too much free time either, but I will try to contribute something to somewhere (I dunno which project yet , but I think there is only a handful of developers and dividing them is not a winning way).

I hope more people gets involved.

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xjqian
aside from better looking, could someone list the benefits of Opie II over Opie I?
ofels
QUOTE(ernestus @ Jan 31 2007, 03:12 PM)
somewhere (I dunno which project yet , but I think there is only a handful of developers and dividing them is not a winning way).


Ah, thanks for getting my point wink.gif

Oliver
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